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[MisterNoisy]

To anyone who's unaware: There's a successor forum going up called "ResetERA" that should be up by the end of the week. Similar in structure to GAF, with a Games section and OT section, and a lot of the old GAF userbase is planning on flocking there once it's up.

If you're looking for a similar place to talk games, movies, TV, etc. that'll be a solid place to go. Plus you don't have to support Tyler, which is of course a huge plus.

That's going to flame out. It's not even going to flame out spectacularly - it'll just peter out like a disappointing shit as people realize that a single-voice space is as interesting as watching paint dry. Either that, or they go all circular firing squad again, in which case it'll be entertaining, but only briefly.

 

[Hydrogen Bluebird]

It's not really that unbelievable if you understand the dynamics of sexual harassment or assault.

Ok,I'm not well versed in the dynamics you mentioned. Is it like a Stockholm syndrome of sorts?

 

[Phoenix RISING]

You've never had to deal with trauma or sexual harassment directed towards you, have you?

It's not really that unbelievable if you understand the dynamics of sexual harassment or assault.

These rhetorical/passive aggressive statements are not useful.

If you think someone does not know about something, or never had to experience something, educate! Don't just thumb your nose.

I know *I* want to know how this is supposed to work, because it doesn't make logical sense.

 

[Froli]

So she had sex with him afterwards?? Hmm..

and she was also I quote

she was polyamorous and in an open relationship with a boyfriend, but the open part of her relationship was exclusive to women

 

[RenegadeXV8]

To be honest I didn't know about any of that before last Sunday but the idea is still the same: where is the proof? Has there been any proper process?

NONE.

You know why? Because luckily the law doesn't work like that in real life.

This girl could have called the police then, the next day or whenever. She never did. Instead apparently she traveled with him and continued to be friends for some time.

Does that sound like a traumatized person? How do you think something like that would look in front of a SANE jury?

If there is a pattern of awful behavior and accusations, maybe... just maybe there is some truth to them? If someone sexually harassed you randomly at a party, how the fuck are you going to prove it later on if no one was recording it?

There are screenshots of Evilore posting revenge porn. But the people still defending him are being willfully ignorant to these facts simply because they want to keep posting on their video game forum.

Keep victim blaming, too.

Cool priorities out of you and everyone else going with the "omg we need all the facts first!!!" crowd.

 

[RDreamer]

The "kill them with kindness" approach is a tried and true thing, but then people can still be scumbags. Ok, that makes sense.

But you're equating being nice or friendly with jumping in the bed with someone. That's quite the leap. Gonna have to walk us through this one.

No, I’m equating going to their houses, hanging out, trying to be friends, and even at times becoming friends for a bit. That doesn’t negate the horror of the bullying previous. It’s illogical to think about, but victims do this all the time.

 

[Randam]

It's really difficult man. I lean really far left on almost everything and I hate being made to feel like I'm a bad person because I don't support the character assassination witch-hunt nonsense. He fucked up, they reconciled in private, that should've been the end of the story.

Biggest problem was the way he handled all this.

 

[Herr Schwarz]

I mean can you imagine if it was a benign act?

Gets his hopes up for shower loving. Makes a bold play.

Gets the Psycho shower scream. Runs out with his pecker between his legs.

Worst mistake ever.

Then they end up humping later a few months on.

So it turned out OK except that bad hit on moment.

Then the anecdote was made and his reputation destroyed. Dang son.

It was a bold strategy. It really didn't pay off.

 

[Alienfan]

And you're back at this forum, everybody makes mistakes. You even have more information than she did.

Is it a mistake when it's been made multiple times?

 

[A.Romero]

You've never had to deal with trauma or sexual harassment directed towards you, have you?

Oh man, depends on what kind of definition you use for that. In the way Evilore behaved with the girl? Yes. Was it uncomfortable? Yes. Did I lose any sleep over that? No. I could have at least punch the other person in defense but decided it wasn't worth it. In the end, in every single unwanted advance I've been involved in a "no, thanks" was enough. Just like in the case everyone is losing their minds over.


If you talk about true sexual assault or attempted rape, then no.

 

[Herr Schwarz]

This is what happens when GAF Man hits on a woman. Hahaha.

 

[Drac84]

If evilore is innocent he should prove himself which he hasn't

You have that completely backwards

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presumption_of_innocence

But if we put aside your dismissal of a UN recognized international human right for a second, how exactly do you propose the accused establishes proof of his side of a story when there were only two people present?

 

[Frankie Williamson]

Can you imagine if he'd owned up to mistaking a situation instead of going right for the old redflag she's crazy, she's unstable, I DID NOTHING WRONG defense?

I mean can you imagine if it was a benign act?

Gets his hopes up for shower loving. Makes a bold play.

Gets the Psycho shower scream. Runs out with his pecker between his legs.

Worst mistake ever.

Then they end up humping later a few months on.

So it turned out OK except that bad hit on moment.

Then the anecdote was made and his reputation destroyed. Dang son.

It was a bold strategy. It really didn't pay off.

 

[Entroyp]

That is the crazies thing about this whole thing. Of course sexual assault/unwanted sexual advances are bad and always will be, but it seems the shower incident didn't bother the accuser enough since she still had sex with Evilore afterwards. Still being friends or acquaintances with him after? That could happen. But still having sex after? Seems unbelievable to me especially when you consider the accusatory post on Facebook and the tone of it/how it was written.

Yea, If true this changes the optics on this situation.

Crazy to see all this place lose its mind like this.

In the end I’m no one to judge anyone involved in this.

 

[Herr Schwarz]

He's guilty of the most badly timed hit on moment ever.

Maybe they had just screened The Reader. And he thought he was Kate Winslet

I mean they must of had feelings right? If they are romantic later on in the months...

 

[A.Romero]

If there is a pattern of awful behavior and accusations, maybe... just maybe there is some truth to them? If someone sexually harassed you randomly at a party, how the fuck are you going to prove it later on if no one was recording it?

There are screenshots of Evilore posting revenge porn. But the people still defending him are being willfully ignorant to these facts simply because they want to keep posting on their video game forum.

Keep victim blaming, too.

Cool priorities out of you and everyone else going with the "omg we need all the facts first!!!" crowd.

I love GAF but I'm not writing my opinion because I want to defend the forum. It's something that I felt for a long time on a variety of topics that have surfaced here but never cared enough to actually argue with someone.

Is Evilore a bad person? I don't know. In this particular instance (shower incident) did he do something that deserves the reaction the community has shown? In my opinion: No.

 

[skullmuffins]

This is what happens when GAF Man hits on a woman. Hahaha.

Pro tip: if a girl gets in the shower after puking her guts out, don't hop in naked after her without asking thinking that's your chance to hook up

 

[ChosenPredator]

I guess laws against people flashing others are just waaaaaay overblown, right? Are you guys shut ins?

nah he fucked up but you guys are obsessed to the point you end up looking like lunatics.

 

[BADMAN]

No. Its Not. He is right. We need PROOF.

Where is the proof he didn't do it? What piece of evidence could convince you either way? I have a feeling that the community will dwindle down to people like you who will forgive and forget because they are either not interested in assault/harassment allegations or inclined to take Tyler at his word to keep his brand alive.

 

[Baraka Obama]

He's guilty of the most badly timed hit on moment ever.

Maybe they had just screened The Reader. And he thought he was Kate Winslet

I mean they must of had feelings right? If they are romantic later on in the months...

when I hit on a girl I don’t show them my cock

 

[RDreamer]

It's really difficult man. I lean really far left on almost everything and I hate being made to feel like I'm a bad person because I don't support the character assassination witch-hunt nonsense. He fucked up, they reconciled in private, that should've been the end of the story.

I waited for his response. In my opinion he assassinated his own character with that response. It was unacceptably bad for the situation. It portrayed not even one iota of empathy. She tried to downplay things like a reasonable person and he just goes nuts in that article.

He fucked up, they may have reconciled, he clearly has no regret or moral problem with what he did, he responded terribly. That's the end of the story.

Pro tip: if a girl gets in the shower after puking her guts out, don't hop in naked after her without asking thinking that's your chance to hook up

Pro Tip: Don't hop naked into a shower with any girl unless said girl knows about you doing it and has affirmatively consented to it.

 

[smisk]

Honestly what Tyler allegedly did sounds like it could be a drunk mistake. But what bothers me more is his reaction to the allegations and overall attitude towards this whole thing, and sexual assault in general. Definitely wouldn't feel good about continuing to post here.
And even if that weren't the case, the political and news threads in OT are one of my favorite parts of this site. Hoping we get a worthy successor soon.

 

[Froli]

It was a bold strategy. It really didn't pay off.

He did the naked man technique from how I met your mother tv series

 

[LowParry]

What's so damning is the fact that he had the nerve to get in the shower, naked...WHILE SHE WAS PUKING. I mean, wtf.

 

[Hello? This is Hailun!]

It's really difficult man. I lean really far left on almost everything and I hate being made to feel like I'm a bad person because I don't support the character assassination witch-hunt nonsense. He fucked up, they reconciled in private, that should've been the end of the story.

Seconded.

Most people who are out for this dude have never stopped to think about having their own wildly embarrassing bullshit broadcasted for everyone to pick apart.

 

[RDreamer]

Seconded.

Most people who are out for this dude have never stopped to think about having their own wildly embarrassing bullshit broadcasted for everyone to pick apart.

I've done some wildly embarrassing bullshit.

I haven't sexually assaulted anyone, though.

It's pretty easy not to.

And if any woman has ever taken something I've said or done as sexual harassment my response would be to feel horrible about it, apologize profusely, and try to make it right.

 

[Crash55118]

Of I totally agree. I'm not saying he did nothing wrong (you can check my first post, if you care). However, it seems to me that everyone is behaving like he actually raped a person or something.

I mean, he made a mistake and apparently they moved on afterwards. Even the "assaulted" girl seems to be less offended than the rest of the community. She continued traveling with him while people here act like if he killed their dog.

I just think this is a huge overreaction from most people and only deserved by GAF itself by harboring this way of thinking for years. I truly hope the community can survive.

I guess that is the difference in thinking - and what GAF had become. Are you ok with that behavior and a site owner whose behavior at the time is not in line with the vision/direction of the site?

It's not that different to me than that representative that was anti abortion being caught trying to get his mistress to have an abortion - a complete lack of personal behavior matching up with outward beliefs (something I think is completely justified for people getting angry about)

 

[Aters]

Whatever the truth may be, the whole thing is handled extremely bad. Deleting threads and banning people is a bad way to prove your innocence, especially when you do have better proof.

 

[PBalfredo]

Indeed, there is a $10,000,000 question embedded into that detail of the story. For all the praise the Klepek is receiving for getting the scoop, he throws that line out there in a single paragraph, dangling.


How do you do the interview and not ask her why she had sex with him? Or, perhaps Klepek did ask her and did not publish that information?

The question(s) linger(s).

Oh for fuck's sake. The woman's sexual history is not up for inquiry to the entire internet. Shit like this is why it's so hard for people to come forward about sexual harassment. Once you do, everyone puts your entire sex life under a microscope.

It especially doesn't have anything with EviLore's inappropriate advances towards her in the shower, him later trying to smear her reputation once the accusations came out, or cowardly gutting GAF of OT as if that is somehow the solution to any problem except his.

 

[Herr Schwarz]

Pro tip: if a girl gets in the shower after puking her guts out, don't hop in naked after her without asking thinking that's your chance to hook up

Yeah he was obviously blotto. A real predator doesn't back off when she screams "get out!" It turns into HBO's Oz.

She yelled wtf get out. He left. Then after a few months of talking they get together.

I don't consider this Harvey Weinstein or o'Reilly levels predator.

I see a total fuck up. But I think it's easily seen.as benign.

 

[Hello? This is Hailun!]

I haven't sexually assaulted anyone, though

And if any woman has ever taken something I've said or done as sexual harassment my response would be to feel horrible about it, apologize profusely, and try to make it right.

So, you don't know if your behavior could have been construed to be sexual assault.

And it's really not "your opinion". Dude didn't lay a hand on her, by her own account, but is being accused of rape.

The thing is, regardless of whether or not you legitimately feel bad about a really awkward attempt at getting something going, this outrage virtue signalling culture doesn't give a fuck. You'd be a "rapist" until the day you die.

Difference is, I have no idea who you are IRL.

I've met Evilore once IRL and know his real name. You have the grace of anonymity. You can just delete your account and pretend it never happened and people will stop threatening to murder you or suicide baiting you.

He can't.

 

[darkziosj]

soooo all this crap and she ended up having sex with him anyway? ... wow

 

[skullmuffins]

Yeah he was obviously blotto. A real predator doesn't back off when she screams "get out!" It turns into HBO's Oz.

She yelled wtf get out. He left. Then after a few months of talking they get together.

I don't consider this Harvey Weinstein or o'Reilly levels predator.

I see a total fuck up. But I think it's easily seen.as benign.

oh christ. "it was only bad if he actually held her down and raped her".

like, ok, the incident wasn't the most horrible thing he could have done in that instance, but he chose to respond to the accusation in the worst way (she was totes crazy!), and that's making things blow the fuck up beyond control.

 

[Johnny Cage In The Shower]

Also the whole she didn't even close the door behind her, when she took a shower At first I was like, okay, you shouldn't need to "lock" a bathroom door when you're at a hotel room with someone you trust, but apparently she didn't even close it, it was like half open, while she was taking a shower.

I don't want to sound like a creep here, but... The more I hear this he said she said crap... The more ...Larrydavidundecided.gif

 

[Apocryphon]

I mean they must of had feelings right? If they are romantic later on in the months...

It certainly alters the optics. We don't know what we don't know, but what we do know doesn't warrant the reaction it's had.

The media coverage it's received has been disgusting and incendiary though. Extremely irresponsible.

 

[finowns]

Oh for fuck's sake. The woman's sexual history is not up for inquiry to the entire internet. Shit like this is why it's so hard for people to come forward about sexual harassment. Once you do, everyone puts your entire sex life under a microscope.

But there certainly is a question if this incident was as dark and disturbing as some would believe.

 

[Herr Schwarz]

soooo all this crap and she ended up having sex with him anyway? ... wow

The whole thing is bullshit if you ask me.

Just a really really bad gafman way of presenting yourself to a woman. Blotto. But there must of been chemistry if they were banging later in.the months...

 

[RDreamer]

So, you don't know if your behavior could have been construed to be sexual assault.

And it's really not "your opinion". Dude didn't lay a hand on her, by her own account, but is being accused of rape.

The thing is, regardless of whether or not you legitimately feel bad about a really awkward attempt at getting something going, this outrage virtue signalling culture doesn't give a fuck. You'd be a "rapist" until the day you die.

Difference is, I have no idea who you are IRL.

I've met Evilore once IRL and know his real name. You have the grace of anonymity. You can just delete your account and pretend it never happened and people will stop threatening to murder you or suicide baiting you.

He can't.

Hopping in the shower naked with someone isn't an awkward attempt to get something going. An awkward attempt to get something going is asking them about their Pokemon shirt or some shit. Or cracking an embarrassing self-deprecating joke or something. It's not hopping into the shower naked with someone.

Also, I'd like you to find where I called him a rapist. I've stated in this thread I waited until his response and I find his response to be unacceptable to me.

I can't delete my account, but I suppose he can go cry into his money. Should I feel bad for him?

 

[RastaMentality]

i was very shocked when I read this article but I am trying to stay neutral

 

[eBay Huckster]

Most people who are out for this dude have never stopped to think about having their own wildly embarrassing bullshit broadcasted for everyone to pick apart.

i mean, i broadcast my own wildly embarrassing bullshit on a regular basis on publicly readable social media, but i digress

i'm a sexual assault victim. the biggest fuckup here, in my view, is that rather than owning up to it on thursday (whether the allegations were true or not) he just let everything fester all weekend. it shouldn't take you double-digit hours let alone 96 to get out ahead of this shit

and the whole "immediately blasting out 'she's crazy' everywhere" thing certainly isn't helping

 

[A.Romero]

I guess that is the difference in thinking - and what GAF had become. Are you ok with that behavior and a site owner whose behavior at the time is not in line with the vision/direction of the site?

It's not that different to me than that representative that was anti abortion being caught trying to get his mistress to have an abortion - a complete lack of personal behavior matching up with outward beliefs (something I think is completely justified for people getting angry about)

You are totally right in that regard. There is a huge dissonance from the way he managed the site and his actions. However, I hope he takes this lesson and together with all the people leaving the site we get the old GAF back (before all the GG and counter GG bullshit became the community's moral compass).

 

[skullmuffins]

Also the whole she didn't even close the door behind her, when she took a shower At first I was like, okay, you shouldn't need to "lock" a bathroom door when you're at a hotel room with someone you trust, but apparently she didn't even close it, it was like half open, while she was taking a shower.

I don't want to sound like a creep here, but... The more I hear this he said she said crap... The more ...Larrydavidundecided.gif

she was drunk and went into the bathroom to puke her guts out. I don't know about you, but in that situation I'm not super concerned about making sure the bathroom door is locked. It doesn't mean it's an invitation to come in.

 

[Herr Schwarz]

oh christ. "it was only bad if he actually held her down and raped her".

like, ok, the incident wasn't the most horrible thing he could have done in that instance, but he chose to respond to the accusation in the worst way (she was totes crazy!), and that's making things blow the fuck up beyond control.

You're right how he handled this was bad.


He should of got on.gaf and told us all about it and done a gaf man thread.

He'd of been scorned and laughed at but he could of at least made a thread update with "hey we hooked up now! I knew there was chemistry!" Etc.

It's just poorly handled.

 

[M.J. Doja]

Also the whole she didn't even close the door behind her, when she took a shower At first I was like, okay, you shouldn't need to "lock" a bathroom door when you're at a hotel room with someone you trust, but apparently she didn't even close it, it was like half open, while she was taking a shower.

I don't want to sound like a creep here, but... The more I hear this he said she said crap... The more ...Larrydavidundecided.gif

Why would you ever side with the woman?

 

[jmizzal]

I didnt know anything about his past but this story seems like the least worst thing that has come up over the last few days about him.

Some people are saying they knew about his past so why are they just leaving now? Why wasnt it a mass exodus before?

Is it due to the current climate of females coming out?

I'm here for the community thats all, getting game news and info, and BST thread

While these people leave gaf, they will still shop at stores, buy food and support other companies with way more powerful with way worse creepy and bad history.

That's really all I want to say on the situation

 

[eBay Huckster]

Some people are saying they knew about his past so why are they just leaving now? Why wasnt it a mass exodus before?

double whammy of this shit coming out right after how poorly the amir0x shit was bungled

 

[Herr Schwarz]

Why would you ever side with the woman?

I side with the woman and she already said she feels bad for this blowing up.

I mean if they banged later on. I don't get it. I mean if you felt that badly traumatised by evillore naked event. Then maybe don't have sex later on?

I dunno. But I think the scenario under a different lense. Is pretty funny.

 

[A.Romero]

I didnt know anything about his past but this story seems like the least worst thing that has come up over the last few days about him.

Some people are saying they knew about his past so why are they just leaving now? Why wasnt it a mass exodus before?

Is it due to the current climate of females coming out?

I'm here for the community thats all, getting game news and info

While these people leave gaf, they will still shop at stores, buy food and support other companies with way more powerful with way worse creepy and bad history.

That's really all I want to say on the situation

I agree with you. It makes no sense but GAF has been behaving this way for a long time now. I hope things can change and the community can somehow survive and we can get back to the usual programming.

 

[MrCaliaztec]

I mean can you imagine if it was a benign act?

Gets his hopes up for shower loving. Makes a bold play.

Gets the Psycho shower scream. Runs out with his pecker between his legs.

Worst mistake ever.

Then they end up humping later a few months on.

So it turned out OK except that bad hit on moment.

Then the anecdote was made and his reputation destroyed. Dang son.

It was a bold strategy. It really didn't pay off.

The naked man only works 2/3 times.

 

[Randam]

Also the whole she didn't even close the door behind her, when she took a shower At first I was like, okay, you shouldn't need to "lock" a bathroom door when you're at a hotel room with someone you trust, but apparently she didn't even close it, it was like half open, while she was taking a shower.

I don't want to sound like a creep here, but... The more I hear this he said she said crap... The more ...Larrydavidundecided.gif

Doesn't matter, you don't get into the shower with someone unasked.
Imo no matter what happened between them afterwards, that situation wasn't OK.

Here doing a #metoo about was fine. She shouldn't have named evilore though, after they made up after it and even had sexual relations.

But after she did, evilore couldn't have reacted more wrong.
Should immediately have said, that is was true, it was wrong and that they even kept hanging out after it.
But he tried to sweep it under the rug. And the other mods weren't OK with that, so they left.