The way this is all being handled is inexcusably bad, it's just a master class in bad executive decisions. There isn't much community left here, but removing the Off Topic forum because the owner of the website allegedly did something disgusting several years ago -- and was identifies -- is punishing the community for disgusting decisions that the owner of the website made.
Evilore, the Off Topic forum did not make you make the wrong decision or do the wrong thing 2 years ago or 5 years ago. The Off Topic forum did not make Amir0x download child pornography. Yes, the Off Topic forum exposes risk for your business (these three issues are examples of that risk), but the reason your business is a business is largely because the site has both a gaming discussion area (which I think is the initial draw for most members) and then an off topic area (which most members also chat in). I think most people here became members to chat about videogames, but then naturally, you chat about other things you're interested in -- sports, movies, music, or the really specific topics like the Black Culture threads, developer/programming threads, or the communities like WrassleGaf or NFLGaf. Punishing those communities because you or your former staff are exposing your business to risk with poor choices is not the right way to handle this.
There have been a number of high profile sexual assaults in the news lately, and while most folks are talking about Harvey Weinstein, Liberty Mutual -- the investment firm -- has also recently fired two employees for sexual misconduct at the workplace. It wouldn't be right for Liberty Mutual to say, "We're not having the company Christmas Party, because Christmas parties is what got us into this mess in the first place," or "We're not going to participate in social out reach because social out reach has made us look like hypocrites with these sexual assaults." No, because it's not The Christmas Party or the Social outreach program that's causing the problem: It's bad, hurtful, or illegal decisions made by you or by some former staff members.
You've always had a reputation for making brash decisions, and most of these have not faired well for you. Poorly thought out statements about Amir0x that bent the truth, came too late, and just weren't handled correctly; decisions to ban certain topics from being discussed; decisions to ban certain members or former staff, and scores of others. This, though, is clearly the worst decision and it shows in inability to accept fault. This decisions seems to simply be another projection: "I've made bad decisions in my life and business, and so the business must be punished." That doesn't make any sense, it's selfish and delusional.
You have an opportunity to make the right decision. Obviously you feel like this site is your baby and "it's your's," but this business exists in spite of you, not because of you. It can be hard for a CEO or business owner to give up something that they think is theirs, many CEOs resist this and are befuddled when their board ousts them for a business that they themselves launched. The right thing for you to do would have been to announce that you're taking an indefinite leave of absence from NeoGaf. Revenue from the site would be put into an escrow account to cover expenses and hire staff who would manage it in your absence. A board of staff (moderators, admins) would be formed to hire staff who would manage the site and support the community. Those would be base level decisions which would ensure, at least, some integrity with the site which would keep at least some members around. The site would persist and could possibly bounce back, ultimately you wouldn't be punishing your customers or your business for your own bad decision. Instead, you made the wrong decision with how this was handled and then continually made the wrong decision with how you're going to move forward with this, instead of holding yourself accountable, you're punishing the community that has made your business successful.
It shows an utter lack of self-awareness which then also undermines any integrity that you're trying to preserve against allegations like the ones you're facing.
Not only that: he banned tenumi when tenumi critized his statement. And absolutely childish:
I can't believe that GAF had a significant alt-right sleeper cell just waiting to be activated.
I also can't believe that Evilore just ripped pages straight from the MRA red-pill playbook for his response.
No one of value will stay here. It's already becoming a cesspit. My advice: get out as fast as you can.
Not only that: he banned tenumi when tenumi critized his statement. And absolutely childish:
Lmao I'm not religious but I pray for some of you.I can't believe that GAF had a significant alt-right sleeper cell just waiting to be activated.
I also can't believe that Evilore just ripped pages straight from the MRA red-pill playbook for his response.
No one of value will stay here. It's already becoming a cesspit. My advice: get out as fast as you can.
The ex-mods starting the new board, are they the same mods that were active here when that piece of shit Amir0x got caught? Genuinely asking as I have no idea who was in charge for what when that all went down.
yes.
pecunia non olet
People keep mentioning resetera. It's started and ran by the same mods that ban people who they disagree with socially. Can't help but be skeptical.
Hopefully Gaf will not continue with that type of moderating moving forward.
People keep mentioning resetera. It's started and ran by the same mods that ban people who they disagree with socially. Can't help but be skeptical.
Hopefully Gaf will not continue with that type of moderating moving forward.
Not only that: he banned tenumi when tenumi critized his statement. And absolutely childish:
I can't believe that GAF had a significant alt-right sleeper cell just waiting to be activated.
I also can't believe that Evilore just ripped pages straight from the MRA red-pill playbook for his response.
No one of value will stay here. It's already becoming a cesspit. My advice: get out as fast as you can.
crowbcat gets crap for doing something racist.
That isn't politics.
It's not.People keep mentioning resetera. It's started and ran by the same mods that ban people who they disagree with socially.
The ex-mods starting the new board, are they the same mods that were active here when that piece of shit Amir0x got caught? Genuinely asking as I have no idea who was in charge for what when that all went down.
For a short time, Off-Topic Discussion and Off-Topic Community will be closed so that we can rediscover that. We'll be starting with a clean slate when they come back. However, the focus will be on the many other hobbies we may have like TV, movies, anime, writing, music, etc.Political and social discourse will not be allowed in the new Off-Topic
Why the fuck are we even discussing racist assholes tho?Crowbcat racist joke had a huge topic about it and anyone could make an extra thread about it.yet everytime you want to talk about some new video,the thread get derailed because a small group of people protected by mods can come and change the topic of conversation bringing out something that is not even on the current video being discussed
It is the same with hat in time,red letter media and niche japanese games. The conversation always spiral into discussing off topic politics.
This is false.
People keep mentioning resetera. It's started and ran by the same mods that ban people who they disagree with socially. Can't help but be skeptical.
Hopefully Gaf will not continue with that type of moderating moving forward.
People keep mentioning resetera. It's started and ran by the same mods that ban people who they disagree with socially. Can't help but be skeptical.
Hopefully Gaf will not continue with that type of moderating moving forward.
The former GAF mods are there as advisors. I don't know in what way this will translate in the make-up of the forum.isn't besada there?
It actually isn't. The people starting it are just members, and I don't think any of the old mods are even coming back. They're burnt out.
Not only that: he banned tenumi when tenumi critized his statement. And absolutely childish:
AFAIK new staff, some (?) old mods advising right now.The ex-mods starting the new board, are they the same mods that were active here when that piece of shit Amir0x got caught? Genuinely asking as I have no idea who was in charge for what when that all went down.
*allegedlyI just happen to support websites ran by repeated sexual assaulter.
Why the fuck are we even discussing racist assholes tho?
I can't believe that GAF had a significant alt-right sleeper cell just waiting to be activated.
I also can't believe that Evilore just ripped pages straight from the MRA red-pill playbook for his response.
No one of value will stay here. It's already becoming a cesspit. My advice: get out as fast as you can.
Disgusting.
That is awful. But I am curious, do we actually know it was EL who banned Tenumi? I'm not defending his behavior and it most likely was him but I'm curious if there's any way to know who banned you outside of downright stating who it is in the ban message?Not only that: he banned tenumi when tenumi critized his statement. And absolutely childish:
Crowbcat racist joke had a huge topic about it and anyone could make an extra thread about it.yet everytime you want to talk about some new video,the thread get derailed because a small group of people protected by mods can come and change the topic of conversation bringing out something that is not even on the current video being discussed
It is the same with hat in time,red letter media and niche japanese games. The conversation always spiral into discussing off topic politics.
As a member, not a mod. ZhugeEX, Shinobi, Nibel are mods IIRCisn't besada there?
The former GAF mods are there as advisors. I don't know in what way this will translate in the make-up of the forum.
That is awful. But I am curious, do we actually know it was EL who banned Tenumi? I'm not defending his behavior and it most likely was him but I'm curious if there's any way to know who banned you outside of downright stating who it is in the ban message?
*allegedly
Because people like his/her videos which, with the exception of that one moment in that one video, has nothing to do with his personal beliefs.Why the fuck are we even discussing racist assholes tho?
*allegedly
We have literal conclusive evidence with the forum posts about revenge porn.
Is this really new to people?
You have got banned for disagreeing with Evilore forever.
And this proves the other allegations... how?