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Television Displays and Technology Thread: This is a fantasy based on OLED

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LordPhantX

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My 1 and half year old LG OLED TV suffer from permanent burn-in from video games. I called LG and within 2 working days they replaced it with brand new panel!!

I'm shocked that I thought they will say warranty not cover burn in but they didn't :) thank you LG you are the best.
 
ACH1LL3US

ACH1LL3US

Member
LordPhantX said:
My 1 and half year old LG OLED TV suffer from permanent burn-in from video games. I called LG and within 2 working days they replaced it with brand new panel!!

I'm shocked that I thought they will say warranty not cover burn in but they didn't :) thank you LG you are the best.
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What oled and brightness settings did you use on the oled that got burn in? What game did it and how much time did you put into it?
 
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LordPhantX

Neo Member
ACH1LL3US said:
What oled and brightness settings did you use on the oled that got burn in? What game did it and how much time did you put into it?
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EG9100, brightness 85 I know it is high but under that looks dim. I got the burn-ins from HUD of Rocket League, Trove and Prominence Poker.

It appear just a couple of month after playing them but I admit that sometimes I play for prolonged hours up to 7 hours continuously lol.
 
ACH1LL3US

ACH1LL3US

Member
LordPhantX said:
EG9100, brightness 85 I know it is high but under that looks dim. I got the burn-ins from HUD of Rocket League, Trove and Prominence Poker.

It appear just a couple of month after playing them but I admit that sometimes I play for prolonged hours up to 7 hours continuously lol.
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Thanks for the response! Oled light at 85 is pretty high for extended gaming.

Glad LG took care of you :)

I have had many oled's : 15el9000 ( 15 inch one ), ec9300 ( still have it ), 55c6, 65b6 and now have the 55c7.

I use 35 oled light, 50 brightness with 85 contrast. Of all the oleds, the worst I have seen is temporary inage retention kn a grey screen only. I have seen burn in on oleds at Best Buy but that is NOT a normal scenario.

I think the burn in is being really blown out of proportion for oled. All the oleds I have and had were used exclusively for gaming on a daily basis and no burn in ever happened.
 
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LordPhantX

Neo Member
ACH1LL3US said:
Thanks for the response! Oled light at 85 is pretty high for extended gaming.

Glad LG took care of you :)

I have had many oled's : 15el9000 ( 15 inch one ), ec9300 ( still have it ), 55c6, 65b6 and now have the 55c7.

I use 35 oled light, 50 brightness with 85 contrast. Of all the oleds, the worst I have seen is temporary inage retention kn a grey screen only. I have seen burn in on oleds at Best Buy but that is NOT a normal scenario.

I think the burn in is being really blown out of proportion for oled. All the oleds I have and had were used exclusively for gaming on a daily basis and no burn in ever happened.
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Yeah I meant oled light 85 brightness 55 and contrast 94, but it also depends on the color of games HUD as my experience orange and yellowish color can cause burn in.

To all OLED TV owners especially who play games with HUD a lot try to put clear pink background in full screen you can see if there is burn in (blackish color).

Also red and purple background make it easy to notice but of course I hope that your TV is free from burn ins ;)
 
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Poppyseed

Member
ACH1LL3US said:
Thanks for the response! Oled light at 85 is pretty high for extended gaming.

Glad LG took care of you :)

I have had many oled's : 15el9000 ( 15 inch one ), ec9300 ( still have it ), 55c6, 65b6 and now have the 55c7.

I use 35 oled light, 50 brightness with 85 contrast. Of all the oleds, the worst I have seen is temporary inage retention kn a grey screen only. I have seen burn in on oleds at Best Buy but that is NOT a normal scenario.

I think the burn in is being really blown out of proportion for oled. All the oleds I have and had were used exclusively for gaming on a daily basis and no burn in ever happened.
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As HDR gaming becomes more prevalent, 85 will be considered low. HDR sets the backlighting to 100.
 
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LordPhantX

Neo Member
Poppyseed said:
As HDR gaming becomes more prevalent, 85 will be considered low. HDR sets the backlighting to 100.
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The good thing that in new LG OLED TVs there is a feature called clear panel noise you should do that after long gaming it may help.


Just want to mention that Image retention may differ from burn in as it looks like the picture stick on screen with its color and that mostly temporary.

But burn in looks like the pixel itself burned and it turns into blackish in specific colors there is no way fix this. You can learn more from Rtings test in their website and the replies.
 
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Ashhong

Member
LordPhantX said:
My 1 and half year old LG OLED TV suffer from permanent burn-in from video games. I called LG and within 2 working days they replaced it with brand new panel!!

I'm shocked that I thought they will say warranty not cover burn in but they didn't :) thank you LG you are the best.
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Did you buy an extended warranty from them? Isn’t standard only a year?
 
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LordPhantX

Neo Member
Ashhong said:
Did you buy an extended warranty from them? Isn’t standard only a year?
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No my warranty actually 1 year only from retailer but they told me that LG itself give 2 years warranty for selected LG TVs, the second year covers panel only.

I think all LG OLED TVs has 2 years warranty from LG.
 
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Daante

Member
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1509103334

"LG Display, the manufacturer of all OLED TV panels on the market, expects to boost production by 50-60% next year. It also expects wallpaper and crystal sound OLED TVs to take off, according to comments made at the quarterly earnings call and reported by Seeking Alpha."

"Whether you buy a Sony, Panasonic, Philips or LG OLED TV, there is an LG Display-produced panel inside. The company says that 13 TV manufacturers are now onboard. The latest addition is luxury TV maker Bang & Olufsen.

LG Display expects to boost OLED TV panel production by 50-60% next year compared to 2017.

- ”In terms of the large-size OLED TV panel capacity in 2017, we're expected to sell around 1.7 million this year in terms of capacity. ” said Don-Sang Kim, Senior Vice President of LG Display. ”And we see by next year in terms of the volume, we're looking at about 2.5 million to 2.8 million."

Of course, OLED TVs are gaining momentum but the significant boost could indicate lower prices, which would make the new display technology more attractive to the mass market. OLED has, according to market data, already conquered the premium TV segment where Samsung is struggling to sell its souped-up ”QLED" LCD TVs.

LG Display said that 55" OLED panels account for 65%, while 65" panels represent 35% of shipments. The largest 77" panel accounts for a negligible share. The company's OLED TV panel business is now profitable every month (on an EBITDA basis) and it has reached ”golden yield", which means that more than 80% of all panels produced can be sold to consumers.

- "If you look at panel sizes of 55-inch, it account for 65%. And for 65 inches and above, the size mix share is 35%. In terms of the yield in all the size categories, we are showing a significantly high yield. We've also past the so-called golden yield," said Don-Sang Kim"

LG Display started mass-producing the first ”wallpaper" OLED panels this year. LG has been selling them exclusively in the US and Europe as the W7 series. The TV is only a few millimeters thick and sticks to the wall with magnets.

Sony on the other hand has been selling the first ”crystal sound" OLED TV, which the company has dubbed Acoustic Surface in the A1 model. The audio technology relies on actuators on the back that use the actual display panel as a speaker membrane to produce sound.

LG Display expects these two technologies to represent a much larger share of sales next year.

- ”We believe that by next year out of the OLED panels, Wallpapers and CSOs (Crystal Sound OLEDs) will probably account for around 30%," the SVP added.

The positive outlook indicates that far more OLED TVs next year will be based on the super-thin form factor and the novel audio technology. FlatpanelsHD documented all of the wallpaper OLED concepts on display at the IFA show in Berlin last month."

The Q3 earning's call is particularly interesting because it gives us some insight into what the leading display panel manufacturer is working on as well as some of the new features that we can expect to see at CES in January.

The last comment of interest, however, revolves around LG Display's long-term plans for OLED. The company is planning to switch to an oxide-based backplane technology, which compared to amorphous silicon (a-Si) has far higher electron mobility, allowing LG to transition to higher resolution such as 8K.

- ”So let me sum that up by saying that in preparing for 10G OLED TV, one of the essential technologies are currently being verified, which is the oxide technology. Our plan is that we want to actually adopt the oxide technology, because the speed at which the plane – the speed at which the panel is going to be driven is going to be much faster compared to LCD 8K, and it's a more advanced technology," concluded Don-Sang Kim.

”10G" refers to LG's upcoming OLED factory that can produce larger-size panels. This technology will also allow LG Display to drive the panels at a faster rate, which will enable HFR or High Frame Rate. LG demonstrated HFR-capable OLED prototypes at the IFA show in September 2016 but has not commented on launch plans.
 
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Daante

Member
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1509531763

"LG Display will in 2019 introduce an 80” 8K OLED TV panel and in 2020 introduce smaller OLED TV panels in the 40-49” segment. The company also expects to debut rollable OLED in 2020, according to CNET.

OLED TV roadmap
LG Display, the manufacturer of all OLED TV panels on the market, announced its roadmap at the 2017 Europe OLED Day, and CNET France was in attendance. Next year will not be dramatically different from 2016 and 2017, with 55-77” OLED TV sizes, but starting in 2019 the company has some major things planned.

In 2019, LG Display is planning to debut an 80-inch OLED TV panel with 8K resolution, which offers 4x as many pixels as 4K and 16x as many as Full HD. To benefit from such high resolution you need to sit relatively close to a large TV.

The company also revealed that starting in late 2019 or early 2020 it will introduce a smaller size between 40 to 49 inches. The smallest OLED TV today is the 55-inch size.

Rollable OLED displays
Looking further ahead, LG Display expects to introduce the first rollable OLED panels in 2020. These types of displays will be highly flexible and durable to enable new types of products and installations.

The future also holds transparent and flexible + transparent OLED panels but these are mainly designed for industrial applications.

Many of these innovations will be made possible by LG’s upcoming 10.5-generation OLED factory in Paju, South Korea. Here, LG Display expects to switch to a new type of transistor backplane (oxide-based) allowing them to transition to 8K resolution. DSCC adds some color to the plans, saying that LG Display will possibly also switch from bottom emission to top emission, which – all else being equal – will allow for a 10% improvement in light output, and make possible 65” 8K OLED TVs.

FlatpanelsHD last week reported that LG Display expects to focus more on the wallpaper and ‘crystal sound’ OLED in 2018.

LG Display’s roadmap gives us some further insight into what is planned for OLED TVs in the coming years because the company manufacturers every single panel inside every OLED TV – from LG to Sony to Bang & Olufsen – on the market today. All major TV manufacturers are expected to unveil their 2018 TV line-ups at CES 2018 in January."
 
Jigolo

Jigolo

Member
Daante said:
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1509531763

"LG Display will in 2019 introduce an 80” 8K OLED TV panel and in 2020 introduce smaller OLED TV panels in the 40-49” segment. The company also expects to debut rollable OLED in 2020, according to CNET.

OLED TV roadmap
LG Display, the manufacturer of all OLED TV panels on the market, announced its roadmap at the 2017 Europe OLED Day, and CNET France was in attendance. Next year will not be dramatically different from 2016 and 2017, with 55-77” OLED TV sizes, but starting in 2019 the company has some major things planned.

In 2019, LG Display is planning to debut an 80-inch OLED TV panel with 8K resolution, which offers 4x as many pixels as 4K and 16x as many as Full HD. To benefit from such high resolution you need to sit relatively close to a large TV.

The company also revealed that starting in late 2019 or early 2020 it will introduce a smaller size between 40 to 49 inches. The smallest OLED TV today is the 55-inch size.

Rollable OLED displays
Looking further ahead, LG Display expects to introduce the first rollable OLED panels in 2020. These types of displays will be highly flexible and durable to enable new types of products and installations.

The future also holds transparent and flexible + transparent OLED panels but these are mainly designed for industrial applications.

Many of these innovations will be made possible by LG’s upcoming 10.5-generation OLED factory in Paju, South Korea. Here, LG Display expects to switch to a new type of transistor backplane (oxide-based) allowing them to transition to 8K resolution. DSCC adds some color to the plans, saying that LG Display will possibly also switch from bottom emission to top emission, which – all else being equal – will allow for a 10% improvement in light output, and make possible 65” 8K OLED TVs.

FlatpanelsHD last week reported that LG Display expects to focus more on the wallpaper and ‘crystal sound’ OLED in 2018.

LG Display’s roadmap gives us some further insight into what is planned for OLED TVs in the coming years because the company manufacturers every single panel inside every OLED TV – from LG to Sony to Bang & Olufsen – on the market today. All major TV manufacturers are expected to unveil their 2018 TV line-ups at CES 2018 in January."
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Nice. Been waiting for smaller sizes to pop up for bedrooms.
 
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Madness

Member
Just remember LG Display and LG Electronics are different subsidiaries of LG Corp which is why LG Display is so excited by growth of OLED even by Sony sales etc.

They may as well do 45". 43" and 49" are really no different than the 40" or 42" or 46" sizes etc. I can see a 45", 55", 65", 75" and 85" as the 5 main sizes going forward.
 
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grfunkulus

Banned
Poppyseed said:
You’re just crushing details that way, unfortunately.
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I feel like low light eyesight has already deteriorated significantly from watching too many bright displays (I even turn my computer monitor at work to super warm/dim)...if knocking it down a bit saves my 28 year old eyes from resembling 50 year old ones in a few years, I'll take it.

HDR is nice and all but the B6 already has a ton of headroom over what I feel is comfortable. Confounding to me that anyone would want anything brighter
 
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Papo Swing

Member
So I am getting the B7A delivered today. What else other than the breaking in should I do focus on to set up the TV the best way I can.
 
geordiemp

geordiemp

Member
Papo Swing said:
So I am getting the B7A delivered today. What else other than the breaking in should I do focus on to set up the TV the best way I can.
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I got a LG B7 today as well - You need M6 screws 25 mm long for wall mounting thats not in the package - if you hanging on a wall of course.
 
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Chitown B

Member
wallpaper OLED's are cool and all, but if you don't plan on positioning your TV flat on one side of the room they're pointless - especially since you need a hub for all your inputs anyway like the W7.
 
ehead

ehead

Member
I just found out Sony has a 1080p TV with HDR. The 40" has the same price for Samsung's 43" MU7000. I only have an OG PS4, Switch, and a good gaming PC (1070). I'm at a place where 4K content is not really available except for bluray maybe, and games. Our internet speeds can't even handle continuous 1080p streams. Should I just go with Sony? Or futureproof myself with Samsung's?
 
Deputy Moonman

Deputy Moonman

Member
grfunkulus said:
I feel like low light eyesight has already deteriorated significantly from watching too many bright displays (I even turn my computer monitor at work to super warm/dim)...if knocking it down a bit saves my 28 year old eyes from resembling 50 year old ones in a few years, I'll take it.

HDR is nice and all but the B6 already has a ton of headroom over what I feel is comfortable. Confounding to me that anyone would want anything brighter
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Seriously. I'm already sensitive to bright computer monitors. Not sure I want to be staring at a 1000 nit screen lol. Might go blind.
 
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GLAMr

Member
Well I got kinda stung... My wife and I needed a new TV. I mostly play games, she watches Netflix/TV catch-up apps. I planned on getting the Sony entry level 55" 4K HDR TV, but in store I saw that the built in smart apps on the Sony were frustratingly slow, while the Samsung MU6100 was smooth as butter. Being a good husband, I chose the Samsung to make life easier for my wife.

It's a great TV for so little money. The apps are so fluid and responsive, it works perfectly with my Twonky media server and the 4K/HDR content on Netflix looks gorgeous. The device can also apply HDR effects to non HDR content to make things look great (though I assume it would add too much lag for gaming). But... No HDR10 support, so no PS4 HDR :(

What are the chances of Samsung patching in HDR10 support? I heard they are going to roll out HDR10+ to 2017 TVs, but I'm not sure if that's backwards compatible with HDR10. I really wanna play HZD in HDR.
 
Jigolo

Jigolo

Member
GLAMr said:
Well I got kinda stung... My wife and I needed a new TV. I mostly play games, she watches Netflix/TV catch-up apps. I planned on getting the Sony entry level 55" 4K HDR TV, but in store I saw that the built in smart apps on the Sony were frustratingly slow, while the Samsung MU6100 was smooth as butter. Being a good husband, I chose the Samsung to make life easier for my wife.

It's a great TV for so little money. The apps are so fluid and responsive, it works perfectly with my Twonky media server and the 4K/HDR content on Netflix looks gorgeous. The device can also apply HDR effects to non HDR content to make things look great (though I assume it would add too much lag for gaming). But... No HDR10 support, so no PS4 HDR :(

What are the chances of Samsung patching in HDR10 support? I heard they are going to roll out HDR10+ to 2017 TVs, but I'm not sure if that's backwards compatible with HDR10. I really wanna play HZD in HDR.
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I'm sorry to say you've bought yourself a fake HDR TV but if you like the look of it then good for you.

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/mu6100

According to rtings you should be able to enable "HDR" in the settings while in game mode so I think you just need to find it to play HDR games on your Pro. Also have to change the settings in the Pro i believe
 
Bustanen

Bustanen

Member
GLAMr said:
Well I got kinda stung... My wife and I needed a new TV. I mostly play games, she watches Netflix/TV catch-up apps. I planned on getting the Sony entry level 55" 4K HDR TV, but in store I saw that the built in smart apps on the Sony were frustratingly slow, while the Samsung MU6100 was smooth as butter. Being a good husband, I chose the Samsung to make life easier for my wife.

It's a great TV for so little money. The apps are so fluid and responsive, it works perfectly with my Twonky media server and the 4K/HDR content on Netflix looks gorgeous. The device can also apply HDR effects to non HDR content to make things look great (though I assume it would add too much lag for gaming). But... No HDR10 support, so no PS4 HDR :(

What are the chances of Samsung patching in HDR10 support? I heard they are going to roll out HDR10+ to 2017 TVs, but I'm not sure if that's backwards compatible with HDR10. I really wanna play HZD in HDR.
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It's not happening because the TV lacks wide color gamut and brightness is too low for HDR.
 
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GLAMr

Member
I found the settings in some obscure menu. It's working and it is working. It's nothing mind-blowing, but night scenes in HZD 'pop' a little more.

I'm not expecting miracles from a AU$1400 (so like under $1100 in burgerstani dollars) 55" TV. But coming from a 10 year old store brand 42" LCD (I.e one of those 8" thick bastards with a back lamp and more light bleed than areas where lighting is on point), I'm pretty happy.
 
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Papo Swing

Member
So got my LG B7a yesterday and wow!!! I ran some youtube 4k HDR videos and wow!

I still feel I need to mess around with some settings. The Switch looks great, but some of the Netflix content started looking very very grainy.

A couple of questions for owners:

  1. Any preferred settings for gaming, movies , etc that I can look at? I did some searches and some are good but I see myself changing them a lot.
  2. Do the different picture settings save for each input, including the different app inputs? I feel like I was chaiong some setting or another every time I changed the input. Maybe I am just obsessing.
  3. Any other tips now that I got the TV set up and mounted? What's next?
  4. What is the best options for a soundbar/audio? I had some old crappy Logitech that can't be used since no optical audio.
 
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WhiskeyKnight

Member
So I just got a LG B7 and the HDR Game Mode is so dim and washed out it's essentially unusable.

Is this how it is for everyone or is there something wrong with my set?
 
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Papo Swing

Member
WhiskeyKnight said:
So I just got a LG B7 and the HDR Game Mode is so dim and washed out it's essentially unusable.

Is this how it is for everyone or is there something wrong with my set?
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What settings do you have? I got mine yesterday and it looked amazing.

Make sure all settings are on, including HDR for the HDMI input.
 
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Papo Swing

Member
WhiskeyKnight said:
Yeah, trust me it's not a problem with the settings.

Can I ask what game(s) you tried it with?
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I tried both Ratchet and Clank and Horizon Zero Dawn and they looked wonderful. Not washed out and bright enough. And my settings just in case: HDR ON on the port, Picture: Game. OLED 100, Contrast 100, Brightness 50, Tint R7, Color Temp either C30 or W19.

I also tried Mario and it looks amazing though it is
 
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quest

Not Banned from OT
Any of you guys have the LG OLED E series? I was wondering if the built in sound bar was worth the premium. I know it has picture on the glass to for supposed better picture quality. I am so close to pulling the trigger but holding out till either the 65 B series hits under 2k at a authorized dealer. I seen a few non authorized at 2k so we are close sure it will happen black Friday. The 55s are going on sale daily now just need the 65s to do the same.
 
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WhiskeyKnight

Member
Papo Swing said:
I tried both Ratchet and Clank and Horizon Zero Dawn and they looked wonderful. Not washed out and bright enough. And my settings just in case: HDR ON on the port, Picture: Game. OLED 100, Contrast 100, Brightness 50, Tint R7, Color Temp either C30 or W19.

I also tried Mario and it looks amazing though it is
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Have you updated the firmware?

If you haven't yet, I suggest you don't.

I made that mistake.
 
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grfunkulus

Banned
quest said:
Any of you guys have the LG OLED E series? I was wondering if the built in sound bar was worth the premium. I know it has picture on the glass to for supposed better picture quality. I am so close to pulling the trigger but holding out till either the 65 B series hits under 2k at a authorized dealer. I seen a few non authorized at 2k so we are close sure it will happen black Friday. The 55s are going on sale daily now just need the 65s to do the same.
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No on the E6 unless you get a really good deal, or you want 3D and don't want a curved screen (C6). Speaker bar isn't amazing without a sub and Lg sells a decent soundbar (msrp $400+ but on sale regularly for $200), the SJ8, that has a stand that integrates it into the B6, C7, or B7 base for a seamless look

B6 65 would be a decent buy at or around $2k but with the newer B7 being $2,150 or $2,200 multiple times (Newegg I believe), it's worth it to spend a little more for future proofing.

Also, unauthorized vs authorized means nothing unless the actual seller is shady. LG has said multiple times (at least for their tvs, maybe not other appliances) that they will 100% honor your warranty. I bought my first OLED from a sketchy 2nd hand shop used and they still honored it lol. You'd have no problem if you bought from one of the big boys.
 
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WadeitOut

Member
Yeah I went with the C7 because I just use an external sound bar. There is a reason why so many sites list the C7 as the best tv of 2017 and not the Eseries. But if you have the money to blow, to each their own.
 
Reallink

Reallink

Member
B7A's all come with the dim firmware out of the box, that model just released in August. The reason it's dim is because most games are apparently being authored to 4000 - 6000+ nits, which they're having to cram down into the ~750 nit capability. LG's tone mapping favors preserving bright details rather than the white crush most other displays are doing. Hopefully they include an option so the user can choose.
 
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quest

Not Banned from OT
grfunkulus said:
No on the E6 unless you get a really good deal, or you want 3D and don't want a curved screen (C6). Speaker bar isn't amazing without a sub and Lg sells a decent soundbar (msrp $400+ but on sale regularly for $200), the SJ8, that has a stand that integrates it into the B6, C7, or B7 base for a seamless look

B6 65 would be a decent buy at or around $2k but with the newer B7 being $2,150 or $2,200 multiple times (Newegg I believe), it's worth it to spend a little more for future proofing.

Also, unauthorized vs authorized means nothing unless the actual seller is shady. LG has said multiple times (at least for their tvs, maybe not other appliances) that they will 100% honor your warranty. I bought my first OLED from a sketchy 2nd hand shop used and they still honored it lol. You'd have no problem if you bought from one of the big boys.
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Thank you I will just wait little longer on the B7 65 to get to 2k. We will see what black friday and cyber monday bring.
 
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grfunkulus

Banned
quest said:
Thank you I will just wait little longer on the B7 65 to get to 2k. We will see what black friday and cyber monday bring.
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That's a good call. I would jump on even a $100 discount at this point though, it's so close to your target price and BF deals typically target less premium models (i.e. not OLED)
 
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Poppyseed

Member
WadeitOut said:
Yeah I went with the C7 because I just use an external sound bar. There is a reason why so many sites list the C7 as the best tv of 2017 and not the Eseries. But if you have the money to blow, to each their own.
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Also is the best looking version. Black bezel ftw.
 
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