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[DeliciousDoc]

Is the switch following the smart phone model or something? Why would you want a new version every year? Can I trade it and get the latest model when I get a new online pass or whatever they call it?

 

[Orta]

55m units sold and no sign of slowing down. Hell, stores even sell out three years on. Nintendo doesn't have to do shit.

But I would love a new one. 2k Oled screen, aluminium body, higher specs, etc, etc...

 

[octiny]

I'm almost positive they said the same thing last year, regarding the Switch Lite.

 

[The Scrivener]

They should release a Switch U, a tablet add-on to the Switch, and make it clear to the public that it is not a new console.

 

[DeceptiveAlarm]

I would llove a switch pro. Tbh though I haven't played mine in a while. My favorite games came out year one. I don't play Smash or Animal crossing and LM and Pokemon don't excite me that much. I'm just one guy though.

 

[mcz117chief]

Good. I am against all these mid-gen refreshes. Just release one console and stick with it.

 

[Shaqazooloo]

Guys please stop falling for when Nintendo says things like this. They will lie through their ass to avoid the potential of lost sales for people who will wait for the newest model.

All the rumours point to a newer model being released this year.
They lied about the Switch Lite, they lied about the DS lite and I'm sure about many others.

The fact they are commenting cements it for me.

They didn't lie about the Lite though. They said they weren't gonna show any new hardware at E3 and they didn't.

Also pretty sure it's illegal to lie to investors.

 

[mcjmetroid]

They didn't lie about the Lite though. They said they weren't gonna show any new hardware at E3 and they didn't.

Also pretty sure it's illegal to lie to investors.

I still don't believe them. I'd be very suprised if we didn't see a Switch console this year. You'll hear about it about 1 month before it's released.

 

[Zannegan]

WE'll see. Doom eternal on Switch got delayed for a reason.


*Believe.

But since everything has to run on the base Switch anyway, a pro wouldn't help the situation anyway, only a new gen, and then the Switch's sales won't be any sort of enticement to devs because they'll be starting over. *shrug*

 

[sid2vicious]

Has it been 5 years already? Wouldn't be surprised if they released a Switch 2 for 2020.

 

[Shaqazooloo]

Nintendo has said they want the Switch to last longer then a usual console (I figure 8-10 years), it wouldn't make sense to launch a upgrade this early if they want the Switch to last a while, it should be something that comes closer to the end of its life to extend it, not at a point where it doesn't need it

Plus I don't see them launching a Switch Pro only a year after the Lite AND the revision to the original Switch.

 

[Heinrich]

At this time, they don’t have any plans. Who knows if their plans change in a few months?

 

[Deleted member 774430]

@OP you won't see a Switch 2 in the next 5-7 years.

If you think so, you're probably more delusional than those who believe at a 4K capable Switch.

I'm sorry but Nintendo has been very clear about that. Switch gen will last long with multiple revisions every 2.5 years.

 

[Shaqazooloo]

Also note that unlike other times, Nintendo commented on this unprompted, an investor didn't ask them about new hardware or rumors, they didn't say this because they had to and we're forced to keep things under wraps.

 

[iconmaster]

They said no new Nintendo Switch hardware in 2020, not that they wouldn't release any new hardware in 2020.

I don’t understand.

They lied about the Switch Lite, they lied about the DS lite and I'm sure about many others.

they have lied before

I'd appreciate sources on these claims. Big accusations to just throw out.

@OP you won't see a Switch 2 in the next 5-7 years.

Sure, I’m in no hurry.

 

[mejin]

they said the same shit about the switch lite

 

[Spukc]

they said the same shit about the switch lite

 

[mcjmetroid]

I'd appreciate sources on these claims. Big accusations to just throw out.

Well here's the Ds lite one.

Despite the widespread rumours of a redesign, the company has been remarkably secretive about the DS Lite so far - even with its own staff, with Nintendo UK boss David Yarnton telling Eurogamer two days ago that "we haven't got any plans at the moment - nothing I know of" when pressed on the question of a DS redesign.

DS Lite officially announced

Nintendo has officially announced the widely anticipated redesigned version of the Nintendo DS handheld console, with a…

www.eurogamer.net

and to be fair they didn't deny the Switch lite so im wrong there. They actually said they had no plans to announce any new hardware at E3 which they didn't.

The point is to take what they say with a large grain of salt.

 

[mckmas8808]

Yeah just wait a year or two into PS5/xboxsx life cycle and drop a Switch 2 Boogaloo U instead.

A Switch 2 makes sense.

 

[Mexen]

Switch Max, available June 2020.

 

[TriSuit666]

Anyone who has heard devs talking already know this is rubbish. The SDK’s simply don’t exist.

 

[Gormless Noodle]

I still don't believe them. I'd be very suprised if we didn't see a Switch console this year. You'll hear about it about 1 month before it's released.

What's surprising about it? Just wait a bit until the next gen rush dies down, grab attention again by releasing it in February 2021 or so and you're good to go.

 

[Chronos24]

Wording is always something. They said a "Nintendo Switch Model". Ok, well a Switch Pro is not a new Switch model because it's not a Switch, it's a Switch Pro. I'll clarify, the Nintendo Switch we got last year was a new Nintendo Switch model in the sense that it was indeed the same thing because it only had a new more efficient APU for better battery life, but essentially it was the SAME console, right? That makes it a new SWITCH model. A switch lite, again performs and runs the same as a regular Switch. Now, a Switch Pro is entirely different because it will perform differently and be able to run and play games the original Switch could not or at least not as well. That would make it an entirely different thing. (This whole post is completely biased on the fact I want a Switch Pro and is my own way of convincing myself with semi reasonable points. Don't get me wrong, I love my Switch, but damnit I want a Pro and see what it is capable of!)

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Cemu has been providing my Switch HD fix.

Yes, I know that Cemu is a WiiU emulator, but the only real exclusive that is available on Switch that I care about is Mario Odyssey and due to 4K/60fps, Cemu provides a much much much better experience. Cemu Breath of the Wild is light years better than on Switch.

 

[kunonabi]

If this isnt another Ninty lie it looks like I'm waiting another year for a Switch.

I have a million 3DS games to finish so I'm not too broken up about it.

 

[Shaqazooloo]

Well here's the Ds lite one.

DS Lite officially announced

Nintendo has officially announced the widely anticipated redesigned version of the Nintendo DS handheld console, with a…

www.eurogamer.net

and to be fair they didn't deny the Switch lite so im wrong there. They actually said they had no plans to announce any new hardware at E3 which they didn't.

The point is to take what they say with a large grain of salt.

It wouldn't be a lie if the UK boss didn't know about the DS Lite. Who knows whether or not he did, I wouln't be surprised since UK management isn't exactly important to them.

 

[Birdo]

Why bother when you can just live off the sales of Mario Kart 8 for the next five years.

 

[Shaqazooloo]

they said the same shit about the switch lite

they said the same shit about the switch lite

They didn't, they said they had no new hardware to show at E3 and that was true soo...

 

[Gargus]

They have no reason to tbh. The nexgen consoles are launching in November probably. So they have no competition all year basically.

No, they still have the same old switches to sell with different paint jobs. Like the new animal crossing switch coming out.

It's what nintendo has been doing with the 3ds for a while. They release their current systems dozens of times literally with different paint jobs on them, and once no one wants to buy a 3ds for the 15th time then they release it with slightly upgraded hardware and repeat the same process all over again.

I know people who have a 3ds, the same 3ds, 6 or 7 of them because they different a different color scheme or theme on them. I already know several people who bought a switch, then rebought the switch with the new battery upgrade and different colored joycons and now those same people are wanting to buy the animal crossing switch despite it's the exact same thing they already own just with a pleasant color scheme on it.

There will be 3 to 6 more switch releases like the animal crossing one. Then they will release another one with some minor upgrades.

 

[Yoshi]

Yes, I know that Cemu is a WiiU emulator, but the only real exclusive that is available on Switch that I care about is Mario Odyssey and due to 4K/60fps, Cemu provides a much much much better experience.

I don't understand, surely Cemu does not play Mario Odyssey, a Switch-only game?

 

[petran79]

Yuzu it is then

 

[DESTROYA]

Cemu has been providing my Switch HD fix.

Yes, I know that Cemu is a WiiU emulator, but the only real exclusive that is available on Switch that I care about is Mario Odyssey and due to 4K/60fps, Cemu provides a much much much better experience. Cemu Breath of the Wild is light years better than on Switch.

So you like to pirate games?

 

[Deleted member 471617]

It's all PR bullshit. Nintendo said the same thing a year ago and six months later, revealed Switch Lite. If Nintendo keeps wanting to get third party games that by 2022 will only be on next gen consoles, they need an upgraded Switch Pro to handle it. My guess is E3 2020 or July reveal with a September 2020 release date for $400.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

I don't understand, surely Cemu does not play Mario Odyssey, a Switch-only game?

I wasn't clear. What I was getting at is that almost every Nintendo game I care about is available on both the Wii U (which Cemu emulates) and Switch, which means that Cemu gives me almost everything I have wanted from Nintendo and in the best resolution and framerate possible. The only exception is Super Mario Odyssey, which is available exclusively on Switch and therefore unplayable on Cemu. Yes, there is an emulator for Switch, but it's a ways off from being playable. Over time that will change as the software library increases. Breath of the Wild 2 will obviously not be playable on Cemu.

So you like to pirate games?

Please dude. Emulation is a huge topic around here.
For all you know, I bought the games and ripped them myself.

For the record, I own a Wii U and all the games I am playing on Cemu and the fact that Wii U games look so terrible on my TV (although Windwaker and Twilight Princess look halfway decent) it makes Cemu much more enjoyable....


when it's not crashing.

 

[Ulysses 31]

they said the same shit about the switch lite

they said the same shit about the switch lite

They said there wouldn't be a successor.

 

[Spukc]

They said there wouldn't be a successor.

same shit

 

[GIANKKO]

the next question should have been: "define new Switch model?!"
because a new switch model could be something different from original and the lite...a only tv console would be a new switch model or a switch 2 would be too. But, if we pick up the original model and update the component as happned for the new original model with encreased battery (they never said it was a new model)....well here you go. An original model with better screen and/or faster cpu/gpu to run all the games in 1080p...well it's not a new model.

 

[DESTROYA]

Please dude. Emulation is a huge topic around here.
For all you know, I bought the games and ripped them myself.

I own a Wii U and all the games I am playing on Cemu and the fact that Wii U games look so terrible on my TV (although Windwaker and Twilight Princess look halfway decent) it makes Cemu much more enjoyable....


when it's not crashing.

So you do pirate games!

Spoiler

Im just messing with you and don’t care either way

 

[sn0man]

They have no reason to tbh. The nexgen consoles are launching in November probably. So they have no competition all year basically.

I don’t know business strategy but couldn’t they take a few more sales if they had a new powerful sku for parents to buy. Keep a few folks in the switch ecosystem

Wouldn't a Switch Pro be held back by the OG Switch anyway?

I kind of think the opposite. A switch pro could provide for stable frame rate and resolution. Many switch releases these days have frame rate/pacing issues and use dynamic resolution.

 

[iconmaster]

Does Nintendo Lie?

Let's take the three main cases I've seen so far.

They lied about the DS Lite!

January 26, 2006:

Despite the widespread rumours of a redesign, the company has been remarkably secretive about the DS Lite so far - even with its own staff, with Nintendo UK boss David Yarnton telling Eurogamer two days ago that "we haven't got any plans at the moment - nothing I know of" when pressed on the question of a DS redesign.

A lot of hay gets made over David Yarnton's DS Lite denial. I'm sorry to the fans across the pond, but this is like asking the head of your local Apple Store when the new iPads are coming out. Sure, he's managing Nintendo products in his country; but Nintendo Japan isn't going to tell him anything about future product plans. Nobody lied here. He just didn't know.

They lied about the 3DS XL!

June 4, 2012:

Nintendo issued a statement regarding the Nikkei piece, calling it a "speculative article", saying it contained numerous errors, and saying the report had not been confirmed.

The 3DS XL was announced on the 22nd, less than 3 weeks later.

This is clearly a non-denial. "Speculative," "numerous errors," and "not been confirmed" are all things Nintendo can say about any rumor. (In Nintendo's mind, it's unconfirmed until they officially confirm it.)

They lied about the Switch Lite!

April 25th, 2019:

Earlier this week, a new Bloomberg report suggested that a "new, cheaper version of the Switch" would likely be released by the end of June. While this is still technically possible, Nintendo President, Shuntaro Furukawa, has noted that no new hardware will be shown at this year's E3.

The Switch Lite was announced on July 10. E3 ended on June 13. No lies detected.

---

I've probably missed a whole lot of like examples, and if someone wants to link to one I'll dig into that too. But what do we learn? That as with any corporation, you need parse the statements carefully. Outright lying is a very dangerous thing for a public company to do; outright lies open it to government and legal action. But a company is free not to tell the whole truth. Look at who's putting out the statement -- is it coming from the top, or just from a guy who works for Nintendo? -- whether it's time limited ("not at E3"), and whether it's speaking only to the rumor at hand ("speculative").

Now look at yesterday's statement, coming right out of a PDF provided to investors: "Please note that we have no plans to launch a new Nintendo Switch model during 2020."

"We have no plans" -- Okay, sure, plans could change. But they'd have to change awfully quick to completely upend Nintendo's long-term hardware release planning. If right now they're really not planning on a new Nintendo Switch arriving in 2020, then most likely one is not going to show up.

"Launch" -- This leaves open the possibility that Nintendo could announce a new Nintendo Switch model in 2020, but not release it until 2021.

"New Nintendo Switch model" -- The natural way to understand this is as "a model within the Nintendo Switch family." If you want to lawyer it out in such a way that this somehow allows for new Nintendo Switch Pro but not a new Nintendo Switch, well... have fun with that, I guess.

"During 2020" -- This is the nail in the coffin, to my mind. Nintendo isn't just casting doubt on rumors; they gave us a firm timeline. See the "not at E3" incident above. When Nintendo is this specific, they have a reason for it.

 

[Inanilmaz]

They said the same thing on 25April2019 and 3 months after they announced the switch lite

Thanks for the confirmation SWITCH PRO RELEASE IS 20. September 2020

 

[mcjmetroid]

Does Nintendo Lie?

Let's take the three main cases I've seen so far.

They lied about the DS Lite!

January 26, 2006:



A lot of hay gets made over David Yarnton's DS Lite denial. I'm sorry to the fans across the pond, but this is like asking the head of your local Apple Store when the new iPads are coming out. Sure, he's managing Nintendo products in his country; but Nintendo Japan isn't going to tell him anything about future product plans. Nobody lied here. He just didn't know.

They lied about the 3DS XL!

June 4, 2012:



The 3DS XL was announced on the 22nd, less than 3 weeks later.

This is clearly a non-denial. "Speculative," "numerous errors," and "not been confirmed" are all things Nintendo can say about any rumor. (In Nintendo's mind, it's unconfirmed until they officially confirm it.)

They lied about the Switch Lite!

April 25th, 2019:



The Switch Lite was announced on July 10. E3 ended on June 13. No lies detected.

---

I've probably missed a whole lot of like examples, and if someone wants to link to one I'll dig into that too. But what do we learn? That as with any corporation, you need parse the statements carefully. Outright lying is a very dangerous thing for a public company to do; outright lies open it to government and legal action. But a company is free not to tell the whole truth. Look at who's putting out the statement -- is it coming from the top, or just from a guy who works for Nintendo? -- whether it's time limited ("not at E3"), and whether it's speaking only to the rumor at hand ("speculative").

Now look at yesterday's statement, coming right out of a PDF provided to investors: "Please note that we have no plans to launch a new Nintendo Switch model during 2020."

"We have no plans" -- Okay, sure, plans could change. But they'd have to change awfully quick to completely upend Nintendo's long-term hardware release planning. If right now they're really not planning on a new Nintendo Switch arriving in 2020, then most likely one is not going to show up.

"Launch" -- This leaves open the possibility that Nintendo could announce a new Nintendo Switch model in 2020, but not release it until 2021.

"New Nintendo Switch model" -- The natural way to understand this is as "a model within the Nintendo Switch family." If you want to lawyer it out in such a way that this somehow allows for new Nintendo Switch Pro but not a new Nintendo Switch, well... have fun with that, I guess.

"During 2020" -- This is the nail in the coffin, to my mind. Nintendo isn't just casting doubt on rumors; they gave us a firm timeline. See the "not at E3" incident above. When Nintendo is this specific, they have a reason for it.

Perhaps you are right and the more I think about the more I realise they won't lie to their investors. Directly.

It might be a better idea to release a new model next year but at that rate it might as well be a new console and it has to be backward compatible so in the end there's not much difference.

But I still don't trust them

 

[JohnnyFootball]

I don’t know business strategy but couldn’t they take a few more sales if they had a new powerful sku for parents to buy. Keep a few folks in the switch ecosystem



I kind of think the opposite. A switch pro could provide for stable frame rate and resolution. Many switch releases these days have frame rate/pacing issues and use dynamic resolution.

Plus, Nintendo's exclusive games art style is simple enough that it should be able to increase framerate and resolution without too expensive hardware. My hope and dream is that Nintendo will release a more powerful docked only version of the Switch (it wouldn't be the Switch at that point) that can play Switch/WiiU games at 4K/60fps.

I bet any game on Switch (or WiiU) if ported to a Pro or X1X (not gonna happen obviously) could easily run at at least 1440p and 60 fps with the processing power available on those consoles.

 

[Silvawuff]

Good for Nintendo for publicly giving us this information. They didn't really have much to gain from posting this, so it's good to see them being front and center with potential Switch buyers. Imagine if, say, Apple was forward about their hardware release schedule for the next year or so and how that might affect a customer's purchasing decisions.

 

[SantaC]

they said the same shit about the switch lite

No they didnt. Find me the quotes from Nintendo.

 

[Azelover]

I told you guys.

Makes no sense whatsoever to do a Switch Pro now.

And I don't think it will ever happen. When the time comes, they'll go next gen.

 

[Deleted member 774430]

I told you guys.

Makes no sense whatsoever to do a Switch Pro now.

And I don't think it will ever happen. When the time comes, they'll go next gen.

There will be at least another revision for the OG Switch for sure, maybe even two.

But make no mistake they will be as similar as the New 3DS was for 3DS: incremental upgrades that improve a bit of everything, rather than a real Pro system as Xbox One X was for Xbox One. (where the hardware is completely different)

 

[01011001]

I told you guys.

Makes no sense whatsoever to do a Switch Pro now.

And I don't think it will ever happen. When the time comes, they'll go next gen.

Nintendo said that going forward they see NX (the Switch) as a platform with many hardware models.
so they will go the Smart Phone route and just release better and better versions of the Switch that will be cross compatible wherever possible.

A better Switch is inevitable, it's only a matter of time.

 

[Mato]

That means no BOTW2 either. Bummer.

 

[Spukc]

No they didnt. Find me the quotes from Nintendo.

Nintendo: We have no plans to release a new Nintendo Switch model during 2020

Is the switch following the smart phone model or something? Why would you want a new version every year? Can I trade it and get the latest model when I get a new online pass or whatever they call it?

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