DeepEnigma
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This thread right now,
Activision actively came to Microsoft seeking someone to purchase it..
Yep. On a side note,Can we please stop spreading this lie? This was debunked forever ago. Console warriors need to be educated. Go read the SEC filing. Microsoft and Activision, per the SEC filing, state that Microsoft approached Activision to inquire about an acquisition.
This is just embarrassing at this point.
Sure dude sony never goes moneyhat hunting. Yes everyone begs jimbo for money lol.Yep. On a side note,
Publishers and developers shop around their exclusives or marketing deals, but that is never brought up in the great console war. Just mOnEyHaT™ for the evil enemy brand!
Three interpreting the context and content of an email from 2019 at his convenience and pretending that it is evidence of something new and relevant... Didn't expect any less.
Oh, the horror! MS was doing the same thing, they just couldn't get them cheaper. Phil admitted to that on the stand.Sure dude sony never goes moneyhat hunting. Yes everyone begs jimbo for money lol.
Report: Sony Contacted All Major Third Parties for Exclusivity Deals, Offered More Money Than Microsoft
Report: Sony Contacted All Major Third Parties for Exclusivity Deals, Offered More Money Than Microsoft Kinda Funny’s Imran Khan said: There isn’t a major third party out there Sony failed to approach asking what kind of deals they could work out. Some had content, some had games, some had...www.neogaf.com
Man I fucking hate Microsoft as a company. Everything they touch invariably turns to shit. Look at Office 365 and Windows 11 and just think how gaming would look in 10 years if this trillion dollar megacorp gets its way and gobbles up gaming.
Can we please stop spreading this lie? This was debunked forever ago. Console warriors need to be educated. Go read the SEC filing. Microsoft and Activision, per the SEC filing, state that Microsoft approached Activision to inquire about an acquisition.
This is just embarrassing at this point.
I'm not a console warrior, I own them all.. I prefer PC and will be fine either way.
I don't like third party exclusives and the entire practice bugs the shit out of me
You just cannot convince me MS doing this is worse than the standard practices
if we are going to talk about educating on issues the quote we are arguing about was spending a few billion to secure exclusives not to buy a company.
And legally no matter how much it hurts our feels.. there is no reason MS cannot go through with this other than a bunch of nonsense about how people feel about it.
that's what was reported on multiple sites, the common response has been that Kotick wanted a lifeline and that Google+Amazon said no.Absolutely nothing you said has anything to do with me correcting your incorrect assertion that Activision approached Microsoft about this acquisition. That was the main thesis of my post. Stop spreading that lie. If you're not going to try to be educated on the acquisition, perhaps you should consider not posting about the acquisition.
You are just saying a lot of nonsense and untruths.MS doesn’t have to acquire the entire industry to “spend Sony out of business”. That should be obvious to everyone. It should also be obvious to everyone that it isn’t going to happen because, again, look at how difficult it is for them to make just a second big purchase.
Regarding the rest of that post where you type a lot of nonsense about how Sony doesn’t blah blah it’s all evil MS, you’re just plain old fashioned wrong.
Sony entered the industry spending a fortune they amassed elsewhere (kind of like what people complain about MS doing) to draw third parties to their platform and only their platform with things like massive licensing/royalty discounts and also the exclusive moneyhatting tactics you’re blaming MS for starting (see: Tomb Raider during the PSone generation, etc).
Some of you are too emotionally attached to this stuff to either remember history or think clearly.
It’s funny how this statement is always followed with console warrior level justification.I'm not a console warrior, I own them all..
havent they showed they are kind of following up on that though. What is it? 76? Billion, just for the two deals of Zenimax and ABK... so far... and now talks of Sega and no doubt their eyes on other huge pubsMisleading quote. The quote isn't "go spend Sony out of business", but "to be able to go spend Sony out of business".
Isn't that what GAF is screaming as well? That Microsoft has a warchest that is much much larger than Sony's?
So what's the controvercy? If this was the smoking gun, it would have been used. It's a nothingburger.
It was Booty, what did you expect??
Don’t send that shit in an email bro.
It’s funny how this statement is always followed with console warrior level justification.
Well they only have themselves to blame for that poor management.Outbidding Sony on timed exclusivity is not a good investment in their eyes. They won't make a return on it, and it only temporarily boosts their exclusive catalog. Buying the company to permanently deny PlayStation makes much more sense to them.
You are just saying a lot of nonsense and untruths.
Yes, sony spent a fortune when they came into the game business, I aid as much. But again.. how? They paid developers to make PS versions of their games. Not for exclusives, but to make PS versions. They offered lower royalties (30% vs the around 50% Nintendo was asking for) and gave third-party publishers more control over their IPs (third-party publishers could actually print their discs,vs Nitendos policy of making all carts).. Mind you, things that Nintendo wasn't doing but that Sega already did.
None of that is bad.. or competing in bad faith. Developers didnt shift away from Nintendo because sony bought them,they did because nintendo stubbornly stuck to carts and their at that point, antiquated third-party policies. And all the other stuff you dismissed, saying I am saying MS is just evil.... well thats your conscience talking right there. Because I never said MS is evil, i said Sony is basically paying off the playbook MS created.
like if you are going to talk, then talk based on facts instead of doing this smart-ass nonsense but ultimately making no point. No one is saying MS should not leverage their resources, but to do it like they are doing it is competing in bad faith... its consolidation, its bad for the industry and the exact opposite of what they are even publicly claiming they are doing. and the proof of that is even evident in the fact that MS will never and has never openly admitted what they are actually doing. Is that MS is there playing the victim when they are the ones that spearheaded these practices.
And don't be silly, no one is saying MS needs to acquire the whole industry... you know what nvm... I have already explained this. There is no point. Carry on.
When Apple would make a console, it would go on sale for about $2000, cous hey....you want the best you have to pay.I do think Apple could give it a go. They make some great hardware. Already have a game subscription service. It would be interesting.
Yes, because you “refuse” to see the difference in anti consumer exclusivity deals and buying the largest 3rd party publisher.What justification? What am I justifying?
that I hate the practices but see no difference between them?
Unable to parse context and nuance is a you problem.What justification? What am I justifying?
that I hate the practices but see no difference between them?
Yes, because you “refuse” to see the difference in anti consumer exclusivity deals and buying the largest 3rd party publisher.
They are clearly not comparable but you justify it by saying they are no different.
What’s the point in this? You already said you cannot be convinced. Move along.What is the difference other than scale?
Irrelevant.You were banned before for trolling, so I know you're immune to facts.
Xbox believes gamepass is a way to stand out against sony. Getting day one content like starfield and CoD is a way to support gamepass, and hurt sony.This email was from December 2019, and 9 months later, they announced Zenimax acquisition. This means this falls right into their plan to run Sony out of Business because this was the beginning of the acquisition spree.
Sony had private statements contradicting what they told regulators too dude.If it didn't mean anything, then regulators would have treated it as such, but they're using it against Microsoft.
Like this is damaging…So you can reach to damage control this.
Apple's headset is a laptop for your face. I don't even consider it a VR headset. Not comparable at all to gaming VR headsets.When Apple would make a console, it would go on sale for about $2000, cous hen you want the best you have to pay.
Proof? The Apple VR headset is yours for for the low price of $3.500
And again... nonsense. Of course, they did. As did Nintendo. Everyone has exclusive deals. Here or there.It's one thing having an exclusive deal, or paying for exclusives... its another thing buying out a publisher that takes that option off the table period. What the fuck are you even talking about?Again, you’re just wrong. Sony had exclusive deals all the way back to PSone. We know this. Learn your history please, before talking down to others about facts. Nothing more needs to be said on the matter.
Nothing he said was wrong though. Sony didn't start by buying up all the biggest franchises, they made their own and partnered with 3rd parties.Again, you’re just wrong. Sony had exclusive deals all the way back to PSone. We know this. Learn your history please, before talking down to others about facts. Nothing more needs to be said on the matter.
That's why I'm super happy for the Steam Deck's success. Not only is it rapidly improving Proton it's also getting more studios to make Linux-native games.Break free.
Play on Linux.
It won’t be easy but every day there’s more.
Is it a success?That's why I'm super happy for the Steam Deck's success. Not only is it rapidly improving Proton it's also getting more studios to make Linux-native games.
Look at Satya Nadella sitting to his left. Wonder what state secrets they bought Corrupt as hell.Can't deny it is unorthodox and shady as hell that these agencies are shilling so hard for Sony. Corrupt as hell.
Look at Satya Nadella sitting to his left. Wonder what state secrets they bought Corrupt as hell.
And again... nonsense. Of course, they did. As did Nintendo. Everyone has exclusive deals. Here or there.It's one thing having an exclusive deal, or paying for exclusives... its another thing buying out a publisher that takes that option off the table period. What the fuck are you even talking about?
Nintendo also had exclusive deals... and lets not even get started on the kinda shady practices Nintendo pulled back then. By the time Sony came in, they were literally looked at as a savior lol... you know your previous boss was fucked up when you are praising a new boss for sticking it to you less. The funy thing is, if Nintendo had just adopted CDs, and a royaty publishing mode akin to what Sega and Sony used (both things they eventually adopted mind you), the PlayStation would never have been the success that it became. Here is a shocking fact, Paysttaion didn't win the 5th generation, Nintendo lost it. FF7, RE1/2 and MGS... would have all been Nintendo 64 games.
Because I do not say something, does not mean I am saying that thing I never said never happened... and that you are repeatedly doing that shit is arguing in bad faith. Argue based on what I am saying.. not what I didn't mention.
I didn't bother mentioning that Sony had exclusive deals then because nintendo had them too. A shit ton of them at that that were third party. and furthermore... Nintendo had been doing that shit since the NES... ong before sony even came into the industry.
So again, what is your point?
If Capcom was in a dire place why did they also port a copy to Xbox after they created the PS version?Capcom were in a dire place when they had a partnership with Sony over Street Fighter V. Had Sony not funded it, we wouldn't have seen Street Fighter for years later. Capcom used the money from that to concentrate on their main IPs that sold very fucking well. Capcom have now returned to their rightful place and we all now have SF6.
It was a marriage of convenience for Capcom to return to the top table. Thankfully it paid off in spades.
Edit: you clarified Sony and SE in another post.
Nothing he said was wrong though. Sony didn't start by buying up all the biggest franchises, they made their own and partnered with 3rd parties.
Because they were in a better place, and maybe Sony allowed it?If Capcom was in a dire place why did they also port a copy to Xbox after they created the PS version?
jesus....So you’ve gone from “MS started the exclusive stuff” to “Sony didn’t pay to take content from Nintendo or Sega, they paid to have developers also make a PS version” to “they didn’t pay for exclusives, they paid for PS versions” to “uh well yeah everyone has exclusives!” blah blah. I should be the one asking you what your point is. Who cares. Again, learn your history. Everything you’re saying is wrong, regardless of how many times to try to shift the goalposts.
Basically you’re upset about the difference between paying to keep a developers games off of other platforms versus paying to buy the developer. Cool. I disagree.
Street Fighter 5 was released on Xbox? Genuine question as I didn’t know.If Capcom was in a dire place why did they also port a copy to Xbox after they created the PS version?
You are a flat-out liar... and my post in this thread are proof of that.That you have to outright ie to make a point you dont even have says very disturbing things about the kinda person you are....He said Sony didn’t start by spending money. That’s false. He also said Sony didn’t pay to keep games off other platforms, also wrong. They did both of those, even games with an established player base on a Sega platform, like Tomb Raider. It’s irrelevant, who cares. These are all businesses.
Sony helped fund SF5, MS helped fund Dead Rising. They both chose what they wanted to fund.S
Street Fighter 5 was released on Xbox? Genuine question as I didn’t know.
I get that. I just hot confused that someone above said “port a copy to xbox…”Sony helped fund SF5, MS helped fund Dead Rising. They both chose what they wanted to fund.
What he said is they spent most of their money on making PS versions of their games.He said Sony didn’t start by spending money. That’s false. He also said Sony didn’t pay to keep games off other platforms, also wrong. They did both of those, even games with an established player base on a Sega platform, like Tomb Raider. It’s irrelevant, who cares. These are all businesses.
They don't care. They print money from Windows, Office and Azure. And can afford to pump in money into Xbox and cloud until it becomes THE place to go for cloud gaming. Thats why they don't see Sony as competition. Sony simply can't compete with how much backing MS has. And only see's Amazon, Google and other big tech as a potential competitor(s). Now that both Google and Amazon have largely scaled back their cloud services after some failed launches, MS has free reign in that market.That's very immature. So what if Sony is outspent, when are you gonna start profiting?
He probably meant to say, "didn't."I get that. I just hot confused that someone above said “port a copy to xbox…”
Nope.Irrelevant.
You're contradicting yourself. You spent money on Zenimax to provide content such as Starfiled day one. The same goes with Call of Duty. Those are acquired contentXbox believes gamepass is a way to stand out against sony. Getting day one content like starfield and CoD is a way to support gamepass, and hurt sony.
2019 was the beginning of their plan. It hasn't stopped after acquiring Zenimax.You sony fans think gamepass is a money pit and only is hurting Xbox, so you shouldn’t be worried. Has starfield and redfall being exclusive really killed Sony?
And MS has a lot more as far as we know and Sony isn't the one trying to buy a major publisher.Sony had private statements contradicting what they told regulators too dude.
They ditched it because they believe Sony would still be the market leader even if they decide to make Call of Duty exclusive.Like this is damaging…
The console market argument is such a joke. Almost all regulators ditched the console aspect of the acquisition. Only the UK latched on the cloud market.
These emails might only concern the EC, because they are the only regulators who pressed Xbox on exclusivity regarding Bethesda.
It should be OBVIOUS that Xbox IS SPENDING to gain market share (aka hurt Sony).
jesus....
I never said MS started the `exclusive stuf`, I said they started, timed exclusives, timed dlc... and now buying publishers.
ok. I give up.