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A Song of Ice and Fire -- **Unmarked Spoilers For All Books including ADWD**

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legend166 said:
I thought the Theon and Quentyn arcs were easily the most enjoyable in the book. Probably because they were the only two that had actual arcs, but still.

The end of Quentyn's last chapter was one of the best parts of the book. The rest of his chapters were pretty blah.

Elsewhere, Daario is the worst character this side of the Kettleblacks and Darkstar and I hope he gave Dany an STD.
 

Pkaz01

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Count of Monte Sawed-Off said:
The end of Quentyn's last chapter was one of the best parts of the book. The rest of his chapters were pretty blah.

Elsewhere, Daario is the worst character this side of the Kettleblacks and Darkstar and I hope he gave Dany an STD.
The dragon does not catch STDs! what do you think she is a stark?
 

John Harker

Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Arcblade said:
Dany's chapters can best be summed up thusly:

Dany: "Someone keeps killing my people."

Quaithe: Beware the perfumed seneschal.

Dany: "Who is this Harpy?"

Quaithe: Beware the perfumed seneschal.

Dany: "I am being betrayed - who could it be?"

Quaithe: Beware the perfumed seneschal.

Dany: "Somebody wants me gone; who could it be?"

Quaithe: YOU STUPID BITCH - I'm in goddamned italics! My words are in YOUR head! You're remembering my motherfucking words verbatim, on OCD loop!

I'm still going with the Harpy as the Green Grace... it seems kind of obvious.
 

apana

Member
platypotamus said:
I'm glad you and Jon are pointing this out. I've been reluctant to say anything, but you guys are totally capturing how I feel about the internet's dislike of Dany wanting Daario. It smacks completely of friend-zoned nice guy syndrome, who is mad that the cute girl he likes is going after the "bad boy"/jerk instead.

Dany can like whoever she wants, I just wish I didn't have to read about it. Her POV chapters hurt the books imo.
 

belvedere

Junior Butler
Started reading the series in the spring, the first book I had to wait for was Dance and that was only a couple of months.

Having to wait on Winds of Winter is going to be awful. Please tell me it won't be more than 3 years. Even that number sounds unbearable.
 

apana

Member
belvedere said:
Started reading the series in the spring, the first book I had to wait for was Dance and that was only a couple of months.

Having to wait on Winds of Winter is going to be awful. Please tell me it won't be more than 3 years. Even that number sounds unbearable.

He's done with a 100 pages already. Chapters that were meant to be in Dance with Dragons but bumped up. Winds of Winter spoiler:
He has completed 4 chpaters with POVs of Arya, Sansa, Arianne, and an Aeron Greyjoy
. I think 3-4 years, likely 4 years is what you should expect.
 

jon bones

hot hot hanuman-on-man action
apana said:
Quentyn wasn't the best looking guy either, Dany looked at him and felt disappointed so I'm not sure what alpha male antics/tactis he could have used to change her mind right before she was being married off to Hizdahr. What would you have done in his position to get Dany's love? Also why would you be banned for insulting a fictional character?
Regarding your first point, it doesn't matter that Q was plain looking - Daario had a purple goatee and a gold tooth. Dany was enamored by his brazen attitude and brashness. There is some real truth in her behavior, and I'm sure some GAFfers would do well to understand it. It doesnt matter if you look like a frog, if his swag was right (Dany even specifically mentioned Daarios "swagger"!) she would have been into him.

Q always thinks about what a virgin he is and how he wants to save himself for Dany and all this other whack shit. Q said something like, "would you think Dany wrould approve if I slept with a whore before her?" to his boy. Daario said something like "I told you I slept with 100 women? I lied, it was 1000 heyooo" to Dany. Classic alpha/beta thing going on there.
 

renitou

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apana said:
Also why would you be banned for insulting a fictional character?
Probably because He-Man there is itching to call him a "faggot" or something of that like. Poor form.

He was an interesting failure of a character.
 

Famassu

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belvedere said:
Having to wait on Winds of Winter is going to be awful. Please tell me it won't be more than 3 years. Even that number sounds unbearable.
I'd say late 2014/early 2015, but even that is being optimistic
 

Mattdaddy

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jon bones said:
I feel like a lot of bitch made dudes would empathize with Quentin. He was this clueless beta male ------- I'd call him a bit worse but I don't want to be banned. Vic Greyjoy and especially Daario were awesome. Brash dudes who took what was there and made it their own. EvenDany - presumably the strong female type of the book - was enamored by Daarios I don't give a Fuckness come see me attitude. It's true in real life and it's true in ASOIAF - you can be a well reasoned romantic dude who offers too much like respect- like Quentin - and never get yours or just pull a Qarl and boom ashes suckin your dick in your sleep,

Victarion (aka The Badass) has some of my favorite POVs. Dude is a complete psycho. I hope he cuts a gory swath through the seige, throws Dany over his shoulder, then sails back to Westeros and strangles his brother. And in the future I hope he has some part in waging war against the Others, since he is partially aligned with the Red Priests now. He's just a straight reaver, I love him.
 

levious

That throwing stick stunt of yours has boomeranged on us.
Mattdaddy said:
Victarion (aka The Badass) has some of my favorite POVs. Dude is a complete psycho. I hope he cuts a gory swath through the seige, throws Dany over his shoulder, then sails back to Westeros and strangles his brother. And in the future I hope he has some part in waging war against the Others, since he is partially aligned with the Red Priests now. He's just a straight reaver, I love him.



I would love for Davos to encounter him at some point.
 
Dresden said:
Compared to the kind of shit that we've seen dudes like Vicky pull off, Daario just comes off as being... insignificant. We don't even see him being a badass, really, we just see him as this mobile dildo that Dany is horny about.

Agreed. He seems boring even by sellsword standards in Westeros. Bronn would whip his ass and could fuck Dany all night.

People on another forum constantly complained about Dany's relationship with him being poorly written, but it just struck me as a girl having an infatuation/crush on someone she knows she shouldn't be with (badboy). It's easy to forget Dany is still pretty damn young.
 

Big-E

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One funny Vic part is when he gets those 7 slave girls who are gorgeous and one has amazing tits and he like, meh, I have a woman to fuck, send them out on a ship and burn it to appease both Gods. He simply just doesn't give a fuck.
 

bathala

Banned
Vic chapter is a good change of mood. the guy's luck just kept climbing... well its all downhill from now :p

Just notice, as your read through the series it becomes more and more fantasy. that was cool.
considering dragons has been tied to magics - according to the maesters
 
Westeros_puff_scenes_2_by_guad.jpg


A Song of Sugar, Spice and Everything Nice.
 

scosher

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PhoenixDark said:
Agreed. He seems boring even by sellsword standards in Westeros. Bronn would whip his ass and could fuck Dany all night.

People on another forum constantly complained about Dany's relationship with him being poorly written, but it just struck me as a girl having an infatuation/crush on someone she knows she shouldn't be with (badboy). It's easy to forget Dany is still pretty damn young.

Funny, I thought people didn't like Daario cause he had a purple stache and goatee, a gold tooth, and generally came off as a manwhore. If his relationship with Dany were "better written," fans would come around and actually like him?

On the flip side with Jon, Val is pretty underwritten and generic, but because she's hot, independent, and not annoying, fans are still drawn to her.

I think people just don't like Daario cause he's Daario, and GRRM fully intended for us not to like this slimy scumbag, reminding us that Dany is still in fact, very young, and prone to teeny bopping fantasies.
 

Puddles

Banned
Re-reading A Storm of Swords. I just got to the part where Sandor and Arya come across Gregor's men in the tavern. This part is so fucking good:

“If you want me, come get me.” Sandor pushed away from the wall and stood in a half-crouch behind the bench, his sword held across his body.

“You think we won’t?” said Polliver. “You’re drunk.”

“Might be,” said the Hound, “but you’re dead.” His foot lashed out and caught the bench, driving it hard into Polliver’s shins. Somehow the bearded man kept his feet, but the Hound ducked under his wild slash and brought his own sword up in a vicious backhand cut. Blood spattered on the ceiling and walls. The blade caught in the middle of Polliver’s face, and when the Hound wrenched it loose half his head came with it.

The Tickler backed away. Arya could smell his fear. The shortsword in his hand suddenly seemed almost a toy against the long blade the Hound was holding, and he wasn’t armored either. He moved swiftly, light on his feet, never taking his eyes off Sandor Clegane. It was the easiest thing in the world for Arya to step up behind him and stab him.

“Is there gold hidden in the village?” she shouted as she drove the blade up through his back. “Is there silver? Gems?” She stabbed twice more. “Is there food? Where is Lord Beric?” She was on top of him by then, still stabbing. “Where did he go? How many men were with him? How many knights? How many bowmen? How many, how many, how many, how many, how many, how many? is there gold in the village?”

Her hands were red and sticky when Sandor dragged her off him.

Really a turning point for Arya's character. They'd better nail that moment in the show. Too bad screen Arya is going to grow up physically a lot faster than book Arya, especially if they split Storm into two seasons.
 
Puddles said:
Re-reading A Storm of Swords. I just got to the part where Sandor and Arya come across Gregor's men in the tavern. This part is so fucking good:



Really a turning point for Arya's character. They'd better nail that moment in the show. Too bad screen Arya is going to grow up physically a lot faster than book Arya, especially if they split Storm into two seasons.

True but she'll still be quite young by the time that scene is shot. I hope they do it as close as possible to the book.

Also Arya has a similar scene at the end of ACOK where she kills the guardman. Williams will be even younger during that scene, and god I hope they do it right. The scene where she kills the stableboy in S1 is HORRIBLE
 

Puddles

Banned
I KNOW.

Book scene:

Startled, Arya whirled. A stableboy stood behind her, a smirk on his face, his filthy white undertunic peeking out from beneath a soiled jerkin. His boots were covered with manure, and he had a pitchfork in one hand. “Who are you?” she asked.

“She don’t know me,” he said, “but I knows her, oh, yes. The wolf girl.”

“Help me saddle a horse,” Arya pleaded, reaching back into the chest, groping for Needle. “My father’s the Hand of the King, he’ll reward you.”

“Father’s dead,” the boy said. He shuffled toward her. “It’s the queen who’ll be rewarding me. Come here, girl.”

“Stay away!” Her fingers closed around Needle’s hilt.

“I says, come.” He grabbed her arm, hard.

Everything Syrio Forel had ever taught her vanished in a heartbeat. In that instant of sudden terror, the only lesson Arya could remember was the one Jon Snow had given her, the very first. She stuck him with the pointy end, driving the blade upward with a wild, hysterical strength.

Needle went through his leather jerkin and the white flesh of his belly and came out between his shoulder blades. The boy dropped the pitchfork and made a soft noise, something between a gasp and a sigh. His hands closed around the blade. “Oh, gods,” he moaned, as his undertunic began to redden. “Take it out.”

When she took it out, he died.

The horses were screaming. Arya stood over the body, still and frightened in the face of death. Blood had gushed from the boy’s mouth as he collapsed, and more was seeping from the slit in his belly, pooling beneath his body. His palms were cut where he’d grabbed at the blade. She backed away slowly, Needle red in her hand. She had to get away, someplace far from here, someplace safe away from the stableboy’s accusing eyes.

The scene they filmed doesn't compare at all.
 
Big-E said:
One funny Vic part is when he gets those 7 slave girls who are gorgeous and one has amazing tits and he like, meh, I have a woman to fuck, send them out on a ship and burn it to appease both Gods. He simply just doesn't give a fuck.

3 gods really:

7 of them for the 7
burning for Rhllor
Drowning for the drowned god.

He's really a beacon of religious harmony
 

q_q

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Granger Danger said:
[IMG ]http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs36/f/2008/286/2/3/Westeros_puff_scenes_2_by_guad.jpg[/IMG]

A Song of Sugar, Spice and Everything Nice.
Jesus Christ at the Red Wedding pic.
 

jon bones

hot hot hanuman-on-man action
renitou said:
Probably because He-Man there is itching to call him a "faggot" or something of that like. Poor form.

He was an interesting failure of a character.
bro

really gonna put such ignorant words in my mouth for me?

i do appreciate the he man compliment, btw, but i don't swing that way sorry
 

ezrarh

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PhoenixDark said:
True but she'll still be quite young by the time that scene is shot. I hope they do it as close as possible to the book.

Also Arya has a similar scene at the end of ACOK where she kills the guardman. Williams will be even younger during that scene, and god I hope they do it right. The scene where she kills the stableboy in S1 is HORRIBLE

I just realized, if they want do it right, Arya would be killing somebody at the end of each season. Stable boy in season 1. Then the Bolton guard. One of Gregor's men in S3. Dareon in AffC and the insurance guy in ADwD.
 

ezrarh

Member
Lactose_Intolerant said:
if they split 3 into 2 seasons, that won't happen. Her season 3 would probably end with The Hound kidnapping her.

Yea, after book 2, it'll be hard to translate each book to a season as we and the producers have already realized. I just thought it would be a neat thing to do if they could do it.
 

levious

That throwing stick stunt of yours has boomeranged on us.
ezrarh said:
I just realized, if they want do it right, Arya would be killing somebody at the end of each season. Stable boy in season 1. Then the Bolton guard. One of Gregor's men in S3. Dareon in AffC and the insurance guy in ADwD.


actually two in season three
 
For people bitching about the repetitive phrases in Dance:

http://www.aoltv.com/2011/08/11/game-of-thrones-george-r-r-martin-interview-part-1/

I mean, I'm getting great reviews on the new book, for example, but a few people seem to be annoyed by certain phrases that I use frequently in the new book. "Words are wind," which occurs like 10 times in the book. After about the fifth time, some people began to hate that phrase. And my view is when things are common sayings, people say them a lot. "You can't fight city hall," etc. We have these clichés that we repeat in situations where they're appropriate and they don't just occur once or twice; you hear them frequently.

He knows.
 
John Harker said:
Was I the only one who liked and felt bad for Quentin? It was not easy to do what he did. He failed, and maybe he was a bit foolish, but I wouldn't question his motivation or his devotion to home and family. He was gracious throughout. I wonder if we'll hear from Drink and Arch again?

And Theon... woa. Painful to read. I liked him, then hated him for what he did for Winterfell, but after punishment like that, what are people's general consensus? Are they back in his camp? He's endured what no man should, I can't see his story ending well for him at all.

I really liked Quentin's arc. I also got suckered into thinking he was going to succeed (at least in part), and never thought he would get fried. I figured it was Selmy that was going down the tubes in Mereen, not Quentin.

Loved the Theon arc, though it was hard to read. I still want him to die horribly, but he has a chance for some redemption at least.
 
Ignatz Mouse said:
I really liked Quentin's arc. I also got suckered into thinking he was going to succeed (at least in part), and never thought he would get fried. I figured it was Selmy that was going down the tubes in Mereen, not Quentin.

Loved the Theon arc, though it was hard to read. I still want him to die horribly, but he has a chance for some redemption at least.

I knew he was fucked after his POV was confirmed by westeros.org a few years ago, and his first chapter was described as being that of a noble, honorable man.
 
Mattdaddy said:
Victarion (aka The Badass) has some of my favorite POVs. Dude is a complete psycho. I hope he cuts a gory swath through the seige, throws Dany over his shoulder, then sails back to Westeros and strangles his brother. And in the future I hope he has some part in waging war against the Others, since he is partially aligned with the Red Priests now. He's just a straight reaver, I love him.

This song plays in my head every time I read a Victarion chapter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA5x_qnJSRY


Man, Quentin is going to be played by somebody famous. He's just made for a typical "one season guest star", premium channel kind of role. The John Lithgow/Julia Stiles/Buscemi in the Sopranos/Sean Bean in GoT type acting gig. The character is never seen before or after that one season.
 

apana

Member
Barristan felt bad for Quentyn, remember that whole mud and fire thing he was talking about. That goes into the Alpha/Beta male issue some people are very interested in. Barristan also loved some lady, Ashara Dayne, but one of the Starks got together with her. He talks about Ned Stark liking her and then about the Stark who defiled her. Initially I assumed Ned Stark did the "defiling" by having intimate relations with her but then I realized it could also be Brandon. He never said which Stark and he always had a good relationship with Ned. Gets me to thinking that maybe Brandon and Ashara could be Jon's real parents. Another possiblity is Lyanna and Rhaegar. Honestly I'd be happy if Jon was actually the son of some fisherwoman. It's kind of cliche for orpans and bastards to have secret royal/rich/famous parents.
 

Arcblade

Banned
HawkeyeIC said:
If it's 2016, that means he has no idea where he's going with this series and we should be prepared for about 10 books.

You mean... like the 10 years or so it took him to get the split book of AFFC and ADWD out?

...I'm going to just go ahead and forget about this series until Abercrombie finally finishes ghost writing the last 3 books, in 2030.
 

apana

Member
Arcblade said:
You mean... like the 10 years or so it took him to get the split book of AFFC and ADWD out?

...I'm going to just go ahead and forget about this series until Abercrombie finally finishes ghost writing the last 3 books, in 2030.

He's already got a hundred pages done for Winds of Winter. He also said that expects it to go faste than before. That whole process of separating the books and getting rid of the seven year gap he was planning wasted some of his time.
 

ItAintEasyBeinCheesy

it's 4th of July in my asshole
Arcblade said:
You mean... like the 10 years or so it took him to get the split book of AFFC and ADWD out?

...I'm going to just go ahead and forget about this series until Abercrombie finally finishes ghost writing the last 3 books, in 2030.

Abercrombie would be terrible.
 
Arcblade said:
You mean... like the 10 years or so it took him to get the split book of AFFC and ADWD out?

...I'm going to just go ahead and forget about this series until Abercrombie finally finishes ghost writing the last 3 books, in 2030.
Yeah, let's just take a giant dump on the series while we're at it.
 
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy said:
Abercrombie would be terrible.


He gets a lot of unjustified hate, but his writing is clearly inspired by Martin, and Martin himself has praised him and I even glimpsed a little of Abercrombie's style in parts of Dance. Reek's and Victarrion's chapters in-particular.

Still, probably wouldn't be a good fit as Abercrombie is much more to the point and isn't half as visual or wordy as Martin is.
 
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