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[Sanjuro]

Really? There are many teams that would give a lot to get Peyton for 4 years. Drafting Luck has little to do with that.

It has everything to do with it. These are all "ifs", Colts still may end up out of the contention for him.

Scenario One = Colts draft Luck. Peyton demands trade, leaves team. Other teams know this and lowball. Colts can't do anything because they would look bad if they don't let Peyton walk.

Scenario Two = Colts organization continues to be foolish, want both QB. Draft Luck. Luck pulls an Eli demanding to go to another team or be the starting QB.

Scenario Three = Colts dedicate themselves to Peyton. Don't draft Luck.

This is how it's going to go.

 

[Sanjuro]

Fox is treating this thing on a week-to-week basis. There is no starter for us so depending on how things go this Sunday we might see Quinn.

Fox is a smart guy. Broncos weren't going to win this season. Might as well expose Tebow sooner than later. I'm genuinely sorry about McDaniels as well, I feel like I'm responsible.

 

[Slo]

I'm going through the facebook page of one of my wife's cousins, and it shows him to be a fan of the Steelers, the Dolphins, the Lakers, the St. Louis Cards, the RedSox, the Red Wings, the Oregon Ducks, the Miami Hurricanes, and the Iowa Hawkeyes.

Bionic?

Edit: And the Phillies, apparently.

 

[Doomsayer]

Peyton won't have any value if they draft Luck though.

What?

You're kidding yourself if you don't think a team like the Broncos, Ravens, Seahawks, or Cowboys wouldn't want Peyton.

 

[yankeehater]

If the Colts get the top pick and let it be known they will trade Manning a ton of teams will fall all over themselves to try and get him. I dont think the top QB in the NFL has ever been traded before like this. It would be crazy how much they would get for him.

 

[Cooter]

It has everything to do with it. These are all "ifs", Colts still may end up out of the contention for him.

Scenario One = Colts draft Luck. Peyton demands trade, leaves team. Other teams know this and lowball. Colts can't do anything because they would look bad if they don't let Peyton walk.

Scenario Two = Colts organization continues to be foolish, want both QB. Draft Luck. Luck pulls an Eli demanding to go to another team or be the starting QB.

Scenario Three = Colts dedicate themselves to Peyton. Don't draft Luck.

This is how it's going to go.

They will get more value for him now than in 3 or 4 years when his skills have severely diminished due to age or injury. You overestimate the fear the organization has for "looking bad."

 

[Sanjuro]

They will get more value for him now than in 3 or 4 years when his skills have severely diminished due to age or injury. You overestimate the fear the organization has for "looking bad."

I don't believe that is their mentality, but they certainly aren't going to Carson Palmer him.

What?

You're kidding yourself if you don't think a team like the Broncos, Ravens, Seahawks, or Cowboys wouldn't want Peyton.

You're kidding yourself if you think a team is going to pay out the ass for a player another team is trying to dump with that kind of salary. Well maybe the Raiders, but that's it!

 

[Plinko]

I'm still saying the most likely scenario is this:

1) Colts get #1 pick
2) Polian implies they're taking Luck
3) Manning freaks, goes to Polian and demands trade or change of draft pick
4) Polian caves, Manning stays, #1 pick is traded for 2 1st-rounders
5) Polian proceeds to screw up both 1st-round picks

 

[RBH]

http://the506.com/nflmaps/2011/wk9.html

 

[bionic77]

I'm going through the facebook page of one of my wife's cousins, and it shows him to be a fan of the Steelers, the Dolphins, the Lakers, the St. Louis Cards, the RedSox, the Red Wings, the Oregon Ducks, the Miami Hurricanes, and the Iowa Hawkeyes.

Bionic?

Edit: And the Phillies, apparently.

I only follow the NFL and NBA. It sounds like you might be related to Kobex though.

 

[Godslay]

What?

You're kidding yourself if you don't think a team like the Broncos, Ravens, Seahawks, or Cowboys wouldn't want Peyton.

I think Broncos, Seahawks draft their guy. Ravens stick with Flacco. Romo and Cowherd ride off into the sunset. I can't imagine Peyton realistically going to any of these places.

 

[Cooter]

You're kidding yourself if you think a team is going to pay out the ass for a player another team is trying to dump with that kind of salary. Well maybe the Raiders, but that's it!

You act like were talking about Mark Brunell. This is one of the top 5 best QB's ever. If he is healthy teams will line up to try and snag him away.

 

[yankeehater]

I'm still saying the most likely scenario is this:

1) Colts get #1 pick
2) Polian implies they're taking Luck
3) Manning freaks, goes to Polian and demands trade or change of draft pick
4) Polian caves, Manning stays, #1 pick is traded for 2 1st-rounders
5) Polian proceeds to screw up both 1st-round picks

They would be insane to cave and trade the pick. If Luck is great for 10+ years the Colts/Polian would be the laughing stocks of the NFL. I bet they could easily get more then 2 firsts for Manning if they trade him, hell Palmer almost got that much.

I think Broncos, Seahawks draft their guy. Ravens stick with Flacco. Romo and Cowherd ride off into the sunset. I can't imagine Peyton realistically going to any of these places.

My biggest fear would be Manning going to the Cowboys. It seems like the kind of move Jerry would make.

 

[Sanjuro]

You act like were talking about Mark Brunell. This is one of the top 5 best QB's ever. If he is healthy teams will line up to try and snag him away.

I think you are missing some of the points.

He has one of the largest contracts for a QB. Many teams would need to restructure to even get him.

He isn't going to stay, period. Why would a team give the moon when they know he isn't going to play a snap in a Colts uniform?

 

[LiveWire]

Here's how it's going to go:

Peyton Manning retires. Colts draft Luck if they are 1st overall or otherwise are in the top 5 and have the ammunition to trade up.

If I recall correctly, his medical condition is similar to what his brother Cooper (forced to give up the game at the high school level) and the Skins former stud LT Chris Samuel's had: spinal stenosis. Samuel retired in 2010:

Samuels suffered through temporary upper-body paralysis based on compression of his neck during a helmet to helmet hit while in pass protection on a play against the Carolina Panthers on October 11, 2009. The injury was determined to be related to spinal stenosis, a condition that he was diagnosed with as a child. Due to the risk of incurring a long-term, severe injury related to his condition by continuing his career, he retired from the NFL on March 4, 2010, based on advice from his doctors.

http://www.hughston.com/hha/a_12_2_2.htm

He may somehow be able to last one more season, but he's a ticking time bomb in the backfield. One bad sack and things could get tragic. As much of a competitor as he is I'm sure it will be an excruciating decision, but really there's only one choice: Retire.

 

[Sanjuro]

Colts really need to worry less about Peyton, starting now. He is a clearly a cancer to that team. It's like the NFL handed out beer goggles for the past fifteen years or so.

 

[Narag]

Thought it was said last week both Eli & Peyton were tested recently for what Cooper had and both came back negative.

 

[Bay Maximus]

Scenario One = Colts draft Luck. Peyton demands trade, leaves team. Other teams know this and lowball. Colts can't do anything because they would look bad if they don't let Peyton walk.

Scenario Two = Colts organization continues to be foolish, want both QB. Draft Luck. Luck pulls an Eli demanding to go to another team or be the starting QB.

Scenario Three = Colts dedicate themselves to Peyton. Don't draft Luck.

This is how it's going to go.

In scenario one, I'm not so sure on them being lowballed simply due to the fact that more than a handful of teams are looking for a QB solution or at least a band-aid until they draft/mature a QB. They don't want the next team to spend a little more and nab him.

Scenario two, could see this happening. Probably would take a couple years tho.

Scenario Three = :lol

 

[yankeehater]

The Colts havent put Manning on IR yet because he wants to play this year. No way does he retire without giving it another shot.

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

This is how its going to go:

Step 1 - Polians get fired.

 

[Sanjuro]

In scenario one, I'm not so sure on them being lowballed simply due to the fact that more than a handful of teams are looking for a QB solution or at least a band-aid until they draft/mature a QB. They don't want the next team to spend a little more and nab him.

Scenario two, could see this happening. Probably would take a couple years tho.

Scenario Three = :lol

Those are just some general ideas. As far as Peyton's value, how much did Green Bay get for Brent?

 

[Godslay]

My biggest fear would be Manning going to the Cowboys. It seems like the kind of move Jerry would make.

That would be pretty interesting. I think if this ever happened Castillo would be axed immediately. It's one thing to shutdown Romo, Manning on the other hand would pick his defense apart.

 

[Buckethead]

Really hope Luck doesn't go to Indy.

That franchise/state is unbearable.

 

[Sanjuro]

Manning going to the Cowboys would be amazing. Romo would have a direct microphone to Peyton's helmet.

PeyPey: Alright, we've got three seconds, ball on their twelve , and down by three. Let's do this.
Romo: Okay. What you want to do is botch the snap and try to run it in!

 

[BigAT]

http://the506.com/nflmaps/2011/wk9.html

Hm...that's a shame. I'd rather have Redskins/49ers than the Dallas game.

 

[Bay Maximus]

Those are just some general ideas. As far as Peyton's value, how much did Green Bay get for Brent?

Well, he was already decomposing when he left Green Bay so it's a little different.

 

[Buckethead]

Won 11 of last 15 off the bye?

I like those chances.

 

[Sanjuro]

Well, he was already decomposing when he left Green Bay so it's a little different.

Compared to what Peyton will be? Favre was one of the most durable quarterbacks to ever play the game and coming off one of his best statistical seasons ever. Peyton has a career threatening injury a season removed from the game.

 

[bluemax]

...The announcers did not stop raving about how impressive USC's defense was performing. They were showing stats displaying such all throughout the game.

The USC defense played pretty well in the first half. USC just lacks any kind of depth because of Pete Carroll's shitty recruiting his last year and all the people who left after the NCAA sanctioned the shit out of the program. Stanford only managed about 150 yards of offense in the first half.

Then of course they had more than that in the third quarter alone, but whatever.

If you want to watch shitty offensive teams with good defense then tune into the Alabama LSU game this weekend.

 

[snesfreak]

They have to switch Greenville to the Bucs/Saints game, right?
Who in NC/SC wants to watch the Failcons beat up on a winless team?

 

[Doomsayer]

Aldon Smith named Defensive Rookie of the Month!

 

[RBH]

Who in NC/SC wants to watch the Falcons beat up on a winless team?

 

[snesfreak]

http://www.tinygif.com/data/media/1/everyone.gif[img][/QUOTE]
Oh please, I bet you don't even want to watch that boring ass game.

 

[eznark]

Won 11 of last 15 off the bye?

I like those chances.

It's awesome that we get to play our toughest game of the season off a bye week. Truly, Goodell is good.

 

[overcast]

Barkley seems NFC West bound for sure. Cardinals or Seahawks are getting him.

 

[crimzonflame]

Is Flacco elite? ESPN thinks so.

 

[Goro Majima]

I agree that Green Bay couldn't even get a shit act like Nickelback. You guys probably watch some local polka group at halftime.

Happy Schnapps Combo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nickelback

 

[mastershake]

Man vs Food in Green Bay tonight(right now - travel channel)

Get HYPE

Spoiler

?

edit---

gilber brown sighting

 

[Goro Majima]

If the Colts were smart, they trade Peyton Manning for 3 1st round picks and draft Andrew Luck. Didn't Cleveland just screw the hell out of Atlanta for about that much and are in desperate need of a QB?

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

If the Colts were smart, they trade Peyton Manning for 3 1st round picks and draft Andrew Luck. Didn't Cleveland just screw the hell out of Atlanta for about that much and are in desperate need of a QB?

no one is going to give 3 first rounders for peyton, i'm sorry. first off, he has a very serious injury. this isn't a typical season ending injury. this is career threatening and he may never play again.

secondly, even if he does play, is he going to be the same player physically? is he going to be the same player mentally?

and last, lets say he comes back at 100%. you think he's going to just step into an entirely new system, with all new players, all new coaches, all new schemes and be the same guy? like i tell people every year when trades happen, this isn't madden where you plug a 99 rated colts QB in on the cleveland browns and he's the same 99 rated player.

peyton is a great player, one of the best qb's of this generation and a guaranteed hall of famer but no one is going to give that for a player in his position. i understand the raiders just gave up a lot for carson palmer but i just don't see anyone giving up 3 first rounders for peyton

 

[Buckethead]

Man vs Food in Green Bay tonight(right now - travel channel)

That show is gross.

*runs to TV*

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

some more meaningless stats (qb rating against various rookie CB's) but even aside from the stats culliver has looked really good. obviously a product of our good pass rush and front line but he has really performed well since the eagles game. i thought he was very tentative against the eagles and gave up some yards but since then wow

 

[Goro Majima]

no one is going to give 3 first rounders for peyton, i'm sorry. first off, he has a very serious injury. this isn't a typical season ending injury. this is career threatening and he may never play again.

secondly, even if he does play, is he going to be the same player physically? is he going to be the same player mentally?

and last, lets say he comes back at 100%. you think he's going to just step into an entirely new system, with all new players, all new coaches, all new schemes and be the same guy? like i tell people every year when trades happen, this isn't madden where you plug a 99 rated colts QB in on the cleveland browns and he's the same 99 rated player.

peyton is a great player, one of the best qb's of this generation and a guaranteed hall of famer but no one is going to give that for a player in his position. i understand the raiders just gave up a lot for carson palmer but i just don't see anyone giving up 3 first rounders for peyton

Hey I agree with everything that you're saying.

But thisistheNFLdude!

Someone is going to make that trade whether it's a good idea or not.

 

[Plinko]

They would be insane to cave and trade the pick. If Luck is great for 10+ years the Colts/Polian would be the laughing stocks of the NFL. I bet they could easily get more then 2 firsts for Manning if they trade him, hell Palmer almost got that much.

I agree, but I don't think people realize how big Peyton Manning is in Indiana. If he's unhappy, it's not going to be pretty.

 

[Buckethead]

I dunno if I could eat a pound burger let alone 3 pounds.

 

[mastershake]

I dunno if I could eat a pound burger let alone 3 pounds.

Yeah fuck that... Gilbert couldn't finish that shit!

 

[captive]

some more meaningless stats (qb rating against various rookie CB's) but even aside from the stats culliver has looked really good. obviously a product of our good pass rush and front line but he has really performed well since the eagles game. i thought he was very tentative against the eagles and gave up some yards but since then wow

Where is this from? Cause Brandon Harris hasn't even been active for the texans.

 

[goldlion054]

I'll pay a dollar more than Wedge.

Take me with you. I'll wear a fucking Nickleback shirt to go to that game

 

[RBH]

I dunno if I could eat a pound burger let alone 3 pounds.

I'm sure it would be quite easy for you Packers fans to do.

 

[Dutch Gronk]

This is how it's gonna end with the Colts:

1. They draft Luck and keep Manning with the plan to groom Luck untill Manning becomes too old/retires.
2. Manning will annouce his retirement and immediately HC Rob Ryan will make Luck the starter.
3. Manning suddenly realizes he doesn't really want to retire and demands a trade or his starting position back. They trade him out of the AFC to the Seattle Seahawks ,where he signs a one year deal, and than he will start the season off great, to eventually just miss the play-offs because of a shoulder injury. After the season he will announce his retirement once again.
4. Sitting at his ranch in Tennessee, Manning misses football and signs a deal with the Titans. A team with a strong running game and a solide defense, which only misses a QB to make a playoff run. But most importantly in the same devision as his former team the Colts. He will play a magical season defeating Luck in both games against the Colts and he makes it all the way to the AFC championship game, but an bad decision leads to an interception by Vince Wilfork and the Patriots win the game and later the Super Bowl.
5. The year after that Manning is poised to repeat, but his old fragile body still hurts from the pounding he took in the AFC Championship game by the almighty Patriots Defense, so he crashes and burns losing game after game and will eventually be benched to be replaced by Jake Locker.
6. It then is finally time for the Old Peyton to retire, only having won 1 Super Bowl in this entire carreer.