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Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning has an Online Pass *sigh*

The sad part is, I was actually starting to come around to possibly purchasing this because of the good word of mouth from the demo. But this news sours any good feelings I had about the game. The big reason is that I bought Dragon Age: Origins Ultimate Edition legit, but my internet connection is crap. And even though it's a single-player game, it would check to see if I had an online connection so it could connect to EA servers before the game even started, and if my internet was acting up it'd tell me "can't find an internet connection" and then wouldn't even let me play the game. Ridiculous.

I don't think I'm going to purchase from EA anymore.
 

Lothars

Member
I don't have an issue with online passes not sure if I will be buying day one anyway but this isn't a deterrant to me.
 

ReaperXL7

Member
The sad part is, I was actually starting to come around to possibly purchasing this because of the good word of mouth from the demo. But this news sours any good feelings I had about the game. The big reason is that I bought Dragon Age: Origins Ultimate Edition legit, but my internet connection is crap. And even though it's a single-player game, it would check to see if I had an online connection so it could connect to EA servers before the game even started, and if my internet was acting up it'd tell me "can't find an internet connection" and then wouldn't even let me play the game. Ridiculous.

I don't think I'm going to purchase from EA anymore.

If you purchase on Steam no money goes to EA. Just an FYI.
 

Dartastic

Member
Apparently the game was ready to be released last September, but being the new kid on the block they wanted to get out of the way of Skyrim, Zelda etc etc. So having DLC ready to go now isn't all that surprising to me.

I don't know where you heard this, but it's not true.
 
You're joking. Link?

Don't have one because I can't remember which interview I listened to this past week that had it. I'm pretty sure it was on a podcast linked in the Amalur Demo thread and not in the video interview at Amazon or the video interview with some web show that was also linked.

For some reason I think it was this one

Edit: If I remember correctly he didn't word the reason for not taking the September date as a way to address bugs, improve the game. He said to get out of the way of bigger games.
 

Rad Agast

Member
From Curt.

I don't really care about the source. Just use your head for a second please. The demo which is based on a three months old build of the game is a buggy mess on all three platforms. Most of us don't care about bugs in demos since we expect them to be ironed out by release but if the game was "ready for release" back in September then it would have been at least as buggy as the demo. I don't think any company would want to have that sort of first impression.

Edit:

Maybe he was saying that the game was pretty much done back in September and that they were just polishing it up?
 

unomas

Banned
This online pass stuff needs to stop. I thought about buying the Gears 3 season pass, but I've resisted even when it went on sale. I really hope people send a message by not paying for this stuff.
 
It's a shame that some people are going to held this against the game and not buy it. Personally, I don't mind this since I have already pre-ordered my copy and the game packed full of content even if you choose not to redeem the pass.

Also, buy the game from Steam since EA aren't the publisher there.
I'm one of them. i was going to buy the game day 1 but now ill just pass. I never buy games with MP online codes and i REFUSE to buy SP games with them.
 
It's at the 1 hour 20 minute point in that podcast I linked, and it wasn't how I remembered it at all. He said he was given the choice of dates, September being one of them and his instinct was to release it then and fight the big games head-to-head, but then better judgement won out and they went with the later date. So the game wasn't done in September. I apologize.
 
I don't really care about the source. Just use your head for a second please. The demo which is based on a three months old build of the game is a buggy mess on all three platforms. Most of us don't care about bugs in demos since we expect them to be ironed out by release but if the game was "ready for release" back in September then it would have been at least as buggy as the demo. I don't think any company would want to have that sort of first impression.

Edit:

Maybe he was saying that the game was pretty much done back in September and that they were just polishing it up?

Curt was clear that the game was handled by an outside source and that source introduced most of the bugs we now see in the demo. The game most likely had bugs in it at that time, just apparently not the ones we're seeing now.
 
Welcome to a sneak peek of next gen where all games do this?

No need to phrase it as a question. This will be the standard and it's not that big a deal. In the end I believe it will result in less overall sales and eventually the publishers will figure it out and stop doing it.
 
No need to phrase it as a question. This will be the standard and it's not that big a deal. In the end I believe it will result in less overall sales and eventually the publishers will figure it out and stop doing it.

How would it result in fewer sales? People that buy games new anyway will be happy to get an "extra" reward. Used game buyers may be more inclined to buy it new to get the extra stuff. Gamers that decide to not buy the game used aren't really impacting the publisher's bottom line to begin with so any used game buyer that buys the pass is a bonus. The implication is that new game buyers are going to stop buying the new game because they're getting something free?
 
How would it result in fewer sales? People that buy games new anyway will be happy to get an "extra" reward. Used game buyers may be more inclined to buy it new to get the extra stuff. Gamers that decide to not buy the game used aren't really impacting the publisher's bottom line to begin with so any used game buyer that buys the pass is a bonus. The implication is that new game buyers are going to stop buying the new game because they're getting something free?
Because a lot of people sell their games to buy new games. New game sales is partially funded by used game sales.
 
No offence if you know this guy but I'm not just going to be taking his word the bugs aren't there. He is the owner of the company of course he wants us to buy his stuff. If the demo has bugs and he's fair dinkum about them not being there then release a gameplay video showing the improvements made. I'm sure he's played through the demo himself and knows some of the issues.

I don't know him personally. His brain-dump is in the other thread though, and in it he's really upfront about what happened. It's up to you/me/whoever to believe it or not. Having not been reamed by him before, I'm inclined to believe it. If it was Bethesda, I'd line a birdcage with it.
 
Because a lot of people sell their games to buy new games. New game sales is partially funded by used game sales.

OK, I can buy that, because one of the considerations I make when I buy from Amazon is that I'll be able to trade it back to them for a good chunk of change. I'm not less inclined to buy a game I want new because of this policy though, and I haven't seen the trade-in value of games with online passes decline(at Amazon).

I find it hard to believe that enough people would refuse to buy a game they wanted anyway because of a pass, and if they did, that loss would be offset by people buying an online pass or by simply buying the game new instead of used. I've never seen any numbers on what effect these passes are having on the bottom line is though. If you're right then online passes will die off.

sorry about the double post
 
Given how rudimentary the sidequests are, I don't see how this is an incentive for anyone but those that think DLC is a Need and not a Want.
 

Drek

Member
Anyone know if two people with different profiles can play the extra shit on the same console?

This shit always bugs me because my wife and I are both gamers. She's CRAZY pumped for this game but I'm not real keen on paying for a second online pass just so we can each have the full game out of the box.
 

I'm an expert

Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
I'm sure without the online pass you won't be able to get every achievement/trophy, right? Terrible trend. Multiplayer aspect I can understand, but single player content? Not touching this game for a few years I guess.
 
I'm sure without the online pass you won't be able to get every achievement/trophy, right? Terrible trend. Multiplayer aspect I can understand, but single player content? Not touching this game for a few years I guess.

None of the original trophies/achievements are unattainable by not having a pass.
 

renitou

Member
It's a shame that some people are going to held this against the game and not buy it. Personally, I don't mind this since I have already pre-ordered my copy and the game packed full of content even if you choose not to redeem the pass.

Also, buy the game from Steam since EA aren't the publisher there.

Of course you don't mind; you're already deluded enough by the industry to pre-order something. :p
 

abundant

Member
I'm sure without the online pass you won't be able to get every achievement/trophy, right? Terrible trend. Multiplayer aspect I can understand, but single player content? Not touching this game for a few years I guess.

This has never happened with any game that gives you free day 1 DLC if you buy it new.

I'm talking about getting a Platinum or 1000/1000 GS.
 

foladar

Member
I'm sure without the online pass you won't be able to get every achievement/trophy, right? Terrible trend. Multiplayer aspect I can understand, but single player content? Not touching this game for a few years I guess.

There's no base game achievements at least on the list I saw regarding the online pass content, but if it's considered DLC, I wonder if it'll be treated like Catwoman and have it's own set of achievements added.

The first DLC was suppose to have "10 hours" of content, wonder if that's this "online pass content" or another "first DLC" content.
 

The Crimson Kid

what are you waiting for
I don't buy games used because I would rather have my $60 reward the developer for a great game than reward the retailer with $55 for just putting used goods on a shelf, but anti-consumer practices need to be punished. Here's my way of financially punishing companies that use anti-consumer practices such as this:

Take the cost of what they are charging for the online pass, double it, and subtract that amount from the highest price you are willing to pay for the game.

So if EA charges $10 for the online pass for KoA, then my highest price to buy Reckoning is now $40 instead of $60.

This kind of news really sours me on buying a game at launch, because if a company is willing to gut part of their game to make money, then what would stop the same company from filling the rest of the game with DLC hooks, offering gear that gives preorderers or DLC purchasers an edge, or skimping on a proper ending to be fleshed out as DLC? Even though I don't buy used games, doing something like this shows that the company is willing to put profit before player experience, which makes spending a full $60 on day one for their game a much dicier proposition for me.

I was amped for Arkham City, but their online pass soured me on buying it at the time, which led to me paying $60 for other games at the time and I ended up paying $25 for Arkham City as a result.

If enough of the people who normally purchase early and at full price did this for games with unnecessary online passes, publishers would get the message before too long.
 

I'm an expert

Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
This has never happened with any game that gives you free day 1 DLC if you buy it new.

I'm talking about getting a Platinum or 1000/1000 GS.

Yeah but buying new is usually not a desire/option for me or a lot of the gamers in my community. Stuff like this sort of hampers our ability to acquire/get rid of games. If it is indeed like how Catwoman is handled, that the dlc doesn't affect the base platinum, that's fine. But this doesn't seem worded like that..it's dlc that's locked behind this online pass?
 

ReaperXL7

Member
Are there more than one publisher of the game?

Kind of yes, although we don't have proof logic would dictate that EA did not want the game on steam, because of Origin, However we do know that 38 studios went against EA to a point and published the game on Steam themselves. So EA is not involved at all with the Steam version. Curt pushed hard to get the game on steam. The Dev team is awesome, and as it stand right now are a group I feel deserve a certain level of faith at this point.

Curt even got on Gaf himself to talk to people wether they liked his game or not, how many studio owners would post on their own forums, let alone an outside one? Given Curts stance on DLC I have a feeling that EA forced them to have an Online Pass, and instead of cutting something out they decided to use their "first" DLC instead and then made the "second" DLC their first DLC announcement. I don't have proof ofcourse but these guys have been so open about everything it's hard to not trust them.
 

Nista

Member
At least Reckoning has a complete story on disc. It's not forcing you to buy DLC to provide closure like other high-profile RPGs coming out in the next few weeks. *glares at Square-Enix*
 

abundant

Member
Yeah but buying new is usually not a desire/option for me or a lot of the gamers in my community. Stuff like this sort of hampers our ability to acquire/get rid of games. If it is indeed like how Catwoman is handled, that the dlc doesn't affect the base platinum, that's fine. But this doesn't seem worded like that..it's dlc that's locked behind this online pass?

It's not an Online Pass, it's free day 1 DLC if you don't buy it used. The original PR was worded wrong. If you still fear that you can't get a Platinum or 1000/1000 GS, here are the achievements.
 

I'm an expert

Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
It's not an Online Pass, it's free day 1 DLC if you don't buy it used. The original PR was worded wrong. If you still fear that you can't get a Platinum or 1000/1000 GS, here are the achievements.

Well then, the OP is worded wrong or misunderstood. This is exactly the same as Batman then. Carry on, nothing to see.
 

Card Boy

Banned
Ea isn't the publisher on steam. Buy it there.

Really no excuse not to buy the PC version unless your a Mac user or have a PC older than 4 years, its not a particular demanding game. Recommened is a dam GTX260/HD4850

It also a single player game so you don't have the excuse 'all my friends have it on X console'.

Steam achievements and Controller support. It has TF2 Hats that you can probaly sell for $20-30 in a few months time.
 

Wolfe

Member
You can still buy it new but discounted down the road. Or used at a price "low enough" to compensate for the DLC missing, I guess?

Yeah that's definitely one of my current gen practices with a lot of games.


It's kind of funny, really. When the DLC announcement plans came out, there were a lot of people happy at the sound of it being rather robust and fairly large and worth the price of admission; it was good that they were already thinking big for expanding the game via DLC so early. Now that we're getting it for free, apparently it's a problem.

Just funny how it works out.

See I just find it hard to believe that such a robust and lengthy DLC would be given up by the publisher for free. Could very well be but damn if those publishers don't like trying to milk everything they can ya know?
 
Really no excuse not to buy the PC version unless your a Mac user or have a PC older than 4 years, its not a particular demanding game. Recommened is a dam GTX260/HD4850

It also a single player game so you don't have the excuse 'all my friends have it on X console'.

Steam achievements and Controller support. It has TF2 Hats that you can probaly sell for $20-30 in a few months time.

Excuse: Comfy couch.
 
The more it goes, the more I hate DLC. When you don't buy the DLC, you feel like you're missing something, when you buy it, you feel robbed.
 
You really don't see any issues with a single player game having content locked out of it unless you go online and activate it with a one time code?

What if I don't have internet?
More likely what if I don't have Xbox live?
I buy the game used, and don't get to play all of it?

Etc etc.

But hey, I'm glad online passes with content locks make you feel better than if they just let everyone have the content from the get-go without any complications.

I think it's reasonable to assume that someone who owns an expensive videogame console has an Internet connection.

I google searched the phrase "xbox online pass without live gold" without quotes and the first hit is an EA page that says you don't need gold for online pass activation.

If you buy the game used, you bought it at a discount. I will buy the game new, for full price. I get bonus content because I chose to spend the money on a new copy that benefits the developer and publisher. You don't get the bonus content because you chose to buy the game at a discount and not support the companies. The trade-off is yours to make.

EA is not this horrible villain because they came up with an attempt to sell more new copies. I personally think the idea is a sound one, and as such I'll always buy new games.
 
I think it's reasonable to assume that someone who owns an expensive videogame console has an Internet connection.
Lots of people live in areas that do not have broadband. If you live anywhere remotely rural you're out of luck. Some people live in areas that have spotty internet. Sometimes your internet just isn't working right for whatever reason. You're just locked out of content you paid for due to circumstances that are completely out of your control all because publishers are greedy.
 
Lots of people live in areas that do not have broadband. If you live anywhere remotely rural you're out of luck. Some people live in areas that have spotty internet. Sometimes your internet just isn't working right for whatever reason. You're just locked out of content you paid for due to circumstances that are completely out of your control all because publishers are greedy.

Your points are valid. But I think mine is too: Perhaps companies like Gamestop should have rethought building an entire business model out of ripping off publishers.
 

Wolfe

Member
I think it's reasonable to assume that someone who owns an expensive videogame console has an Internet connection.

I think it's reasonable to assume that not everyone buys "expensive videogame consoles" new, hell I bought my 360 used and I got my PS3 as a refurb. Your argument of expense is invalid.

Your points are valid. But I think mine is too: Perhaps companies like Gamestop should have rethought building an entire business model out of ripping off publishers.

See now I know you're full of it, ripping off publishers oh man hahaha. Yeah cause the game industry should for some reason be exempt of a used market?
 

scy

Member
See now I know you're full of it, ripping off publishers oh man hahaha. Yeah cause the game industry should for some reason be exempt of a used market?

Likewise, they shouldn't be exempt from having incentives to purchasing new. I, for one, welcome freebies. I already only buy new so it's just a fun little bonus for me.

We can get into a debate on it being freebies or naivete making me think they're freebies though...
 
USED GAME SALES ARE KILLING PUBLISHERS, BRO!

Q1 Non-GAAP Digital Revenue $209 Million; Up 35% On A Trailing Twelve Month Basis

I mean... whoops...

Trailing twelve month non-GAAP digital revenue $854 million, up 35% year-over-year.
First quarter fiscal 2012 non-GAAP digital revenue $209 million, up 11% year-over-year.
Trailing twelve month console non-GAAP digital revenue increased 91% year-over-year.
First quarter fiscal 2012 smart phone non-GAAP revenue up over 75% year-over-year.

Shit, EA. You're not really making it easy for me. Well isn't my face red.

In all seriousness though what did we really expect? It's EA. Piss away customer goodwill for $10? These people would light their own grandmothers on fire for $10.

I won't be buying the game. Which is a shame because it looked pretty awesome. But since it's landing at the same time as another RPG which is going to take me north of forty hours to complete I'll happily leave KoA on the shelf.
 
USED GAME SALES ARE KILLING PUBLISHERS, BRO!



I mean... whoops...



Shit, EA. You're not really making it easy for me. Well isn't my face red.

In all seriousness though what did we really expect? It's EA. Piss away customer goodwill for $10? These people would light their own grandmothers on fire for $10.

I won't be buying the game. Which is a shame because it looked pretty awesome. But since it's landing at the same time as another RPG which is going to take me north of forty hours to complete I'll happily leave KoA on the shelf.

Why are you posting 6 month old company financial data?

Also, ITT: Companies like to make their earnings reports look good for investors while not talking about the bad parts. Notice how they only talk about revenue and not profit?
 
Why are you posting 6 month old company financial data? EA hasn't released earnings for this quarter yet, it happens in a few days.

It's the latest data they've released?

Also, ITT: Companies like to make their earnings reports look good for investors while not talking about the bad parts. Notice how they only talk about revenue and not profit?

I checked the financial report and there's no category for "losses caused by cheap gamers buying our game used".

If there was a massive hole in revenue then yeah, maybe we could conclude that Gamestop had successfully brainwashed the populace into paying a mere $5 less for a crappy used copy.
 
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