ThatObviousUser
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Also, M means you have to be 17, not 18.
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The Binding of Isaac 3DS REJECTED [Up: Now looking into Sony Platforms]
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Also, M means you have to be 17, not 18.
ShironRedshift
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Indeed. The ESRB, like the MPAA movie ratings, is an example of what's known as industry self-regulation--they have no actual legal force backing them (and in fact, both of which came into existence precisely to prevent the government from needing to get involved in such things) and work on the basis that companies in those industries agree that such policies are necessary and thus voluntarily enforce them and typically make it part of their policy to get rid of employees that break those policies. There's no actual laws concerning the issue though and so it would be perfectly legal to sell an M-rated game to the minor--doing so would likely cost the employee his or her job, but there's no way they could be thrown into a jail or prison for doing so.
I thought the surpreme court case was about preventing states (specifically CA) from implementing their own classifications on top of the esrb rating.
Except for this time.
I love all three of those games, but they really are the exception.
That too, more specifically the government can't directly regulate themselves, local or (I assume) federal. Laws trying to MAKE ESRB the law have similarly failed. The fact it'd be too much pressure on retailers is, admittedly, more a reason why it shouldn't be law rather than THE reason it was thrown it (more the chilling effect on free speech, related to why that'd be too much pressure to deal with.)
Nintendo didn't tell Edmund to censor the game at all; they just told him that they weren't going to pursue the game. It's a ratings issue, plain and simple.
Keep guessing then.
AceBandage
Banned
Conker was censored for Xbox. Conker was uncensored on N64.
So defensive.
AceBandage
Banned
Posting images of games on a "Kiddy Nintendo System" is defensive?
Amusingly the original plan was to go fully uncensored, or at least make it a toggle, but instead it ended up MORE censored than the N64 original. Which WAS censored but mainly because at times it was just funnier that way, bleeps being funnier than just saying fuck. I think saying twat without bleeps would be funnier however, yet that was blocked on Xbox.
Over the course of two threads, it's been fairly evident that there are still some people who are operating under the premise that Nintendo never abolished their overly puritanical content restriction guidelines in 1994.
And it's not even a phenomenon that exploded on the Wii; the Gamecube was the exclusive home for the Resident Evil series for a while and Nintendo published Eternal Darkness themselves, as well as helping to fund the MGS1 remake.
Yep.
Some still don't "forgive them" for Mortal Kombat on SNES, even when the following year an uncensored and nearly arcade perfect (as perfect as it could back then
) version of MKII was released on the SNES.GoldandBlue
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It'd be talked about for a week and then forgotten the next as the news moves over to the next big "controversy".
EDIT: Also, pretty sure news reacts worst to nudity in video games more than anything.
Extra Sauce
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This angers me, because Isaac would be perfect for a handheld. And I don't want to buy a Vita, at least yet.
I hope this news takes off and it becomes a PR incident for Nintendo. They deserve the "Nintendo is teh kiddy" stigma when they pull that kind of crap.
I hope this news takes off and it becomes a PR incident for Nintendo. They deserve the "Nintendo is teh kiddy" stigma when they pull that kind of crap.
Criminal Upper
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It would become a WORSE PR incident if they had.
AceBandage
Banned
Holy fucking shit...
It's like a ferris wheel. Round and round.
BlackBanditSho
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no hope for ipad, eh?
The South Park Studios app got nixed because of Apple's content restrictions; Binding of Issac would have no hope.
ThatObviousUser
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What. :lol
Trey and Matt even had to put out an apology about it that explained the situation, since a lot of people were excited for it.
The real funny thing about that whole situation? The Netflix app has nearly every episode of South Park already!
Oh, and if they were hoping to get the game on any console I'd hope they fucking bugtested it first; I was so close to finishing it for the first time just now, but collecting two certain powerups together prevented me from attacking anything at all. My only option was to restart the whole game again. -_-
But again, playing through quite a lot today makes it even more apparent that they would have stood no chance had this been released on 3DS, considering how eager it is to directly combat you against Christianity with Satanic cult symbols, and by name too. In fact the cartoony presentation makes it even more of a target, as is the general stigma of the Western world to associate 2D drawn art with children's entertainment.
But again, playing through quite a lot today makes it even more apparent that they would have stood no chance had this been released on 3DS, considering how eager it is to directly combat you against Christianity with Satanic cult symbols, and by name too. In fact the cartoony presentation makes it even more of a target, as is the general stigma of the Western world to associate 2D drawn art with children's entertainment.
You seem to be privy to some info none of us know. Can you share some insight?
Colonel Mustard
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If there's one thing I've learned from this thread, it's this: at least 2/3s of GAF haven't played this. (And probably never will.)
Even if you don't buy it, at least go play the shitty demo on Newgrounds or something. Or just buy it. I mean shit, my three year old netbook can run this. I'm pretty sure the computer built in to my refrigerator that regulates temperature can run this...just go buy it if you want to play it.
Not every thread needs to turn into a console warrior dick-waving contest.
Even if you don't buy it, at least go play the shitty demo on Newgrounds or something. Or just buy it. I mean shit, my three year old netbook can run this. I'm pretty sure the computer built in to my refrigerator that regulates temperature can run this...just go buy it if you want to play it.
Not every thread needs to turn into a console warrior dick-waving contest.
You honestly believe GAF would stop making every thread into a console warrior dick-waving contest?
Colonel Mustard
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A fellow can dream...
Raonak
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Although cencorship sucks. I can understand cencoring nudity, violence and language and whatnot. Because kids might be playing :/
But cencoring due to religious content is stupid. Actually; cencoring due because it might offend someone is just stupid. Especially in this day and age.
But cencoring due to religious content is stupid. Actually; cencoring due because it might offend someone is just stupid. Especially in this day and age.
Zoramon089
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But the Rule of Rose post...nothing was "defensive" about that, right?
charlequin
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I chose the word advisedly. The ESRB is soft censorship, certainly, and industry self-inflicted, but nonetheless -- the AO rating is used as a tool to prevent games with certain content from being distributed. Before the Internet, it was actually pretty effective at preventing any game with "AO-level" content from seeing wide release or achieving significant commercial success. I understand why it happened and I'm not even convinced it was the wrong choice historically, but I think it's fair to describe it as a tool for making content of a specific type unavailable.
Steam doesn't require ESRB ratings, although they might possibly have their own content guidelines.
Nope. The US Supreme Court has been pretty consistent in coming down on the broad interpretation of free speech in cases like this; laws at any level of government which aim to forcefully categorize or restrict creative works are held to be impermissible except when they aim to affect only "obscene" material.
MidnightScott
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I think it's more that it resembles a zelda game and they used religion as a scapegoat.
Box of Bunnies
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So it's like the time they refused the Wii port of Okami citing its ties to Japanese folklore and Shinto beliefs when really they were just bitter about some people preferring it to Twilight Princess.
Is reality so boring that conspiracy theories make it more interesting?
Can't wait for Nintendo to bar Darksiders 2 on the Wii U.
IrishNinja
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*yawn* typical kiddie nintendo; always scared to let a bit of MATURE content reach their friend-code loving fanbase. clearly some of you don't recall recent games such as Super Castlevania IV and even Mortal Kombat II.
why expect less from a company making its "next-gen" system from fisher price lol
why expect less from a company making its "next-gen" system from fisher price lol
see you guys next page!
More I was suspecting that WITH an ESRB rating present they'd act differently, since there were a few AO rated games that had either M equivalents or installments on Steam (Indigo Prophecy and Manhunt come to mind). Though I guess it's possible Direct2Drive actively sought AO exclusives that blew up in our face when GameFly bought them and blocked out the AO stuff.
At best BOTH angles are correct when together: because it LOOKS like Zelda the offensive bits become much more concerning. If it had just been one or the other it might've been a bit easier to give the OK to, certainly the inoffensive Neutopia's safe to have on VC despite blatantly plagiarizing Zelda in many ways.
Risk Breaker
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themadcowtipper
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I can't wait to return to this thread once Sony refuse to allow this game. It will glorious. I wonder if there will be post after post of how kiddy they are?????
iKeepPlaying
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If Rockstar developed this, we wouldn't even having this kind of threads.
In GTA realistic murder, steal and prostitution are fine.
But god forbid if someone made a game around some religion symbols, blood and poo.
Some? (In the case of Isaac?)
Rockstar was the one that had to tone-down Manhunt 2 for PS2, PSP and Wii because it was rated AO by the ESRB. And since Sony and Nintendo don't allow AO rated games, they had to do it if they wanted to release it on those platforms.
And not even PC was an easy way, as the AO version of the game was removed from Direct2Drive when Gamefly bought them. So in that case, not even the "there's always PC" route was an alternative.
If he was serious with his plans to release it on the eshop, he should have gone to nintendo of europe. The game was already rated Pegi 16 and even USK 16, so it shouldn't be a problem over here (I am not sure about the pegi rating though). And also it wouldn't be the first time for region exclusiv eshop content.
Why does this always happen on every forum ever?
Someone calls Nintendo kiddy -> Someone calls their bullshit -> Someone calls antibullshitter defencive
I don't think it's just a religious content. Binding of the Isaac is a game where you play as a naked kid (yeah, it's cartoony, but still disturbing), whose mother wanted to sacrifice him in the name of God; said kid, using his own tears (or blood, or pee if you get certain power ups) is fighting with other deformed kids and various monsters. There are items referring abortion and satanism among other things.
I can really see why Nintendo denied this game. The shitstorm the company would receive from media would be insane.
The game uses Flash :/.
I can play most current-gen games (on low-mid settings) on my laptop, yet the moment there's too many things in Isaac (blood projectiles, too many enemies etc.) the framerate drops to single digits
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