-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Fez's dev to japanese developers: "your games just suck"
- Thread starter subversus
- Start date
- Status
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
To play devil's advocate, they are increasingly trying to appeal to a western audience with often poor results.
I only heard one interview with Blow (I think it was a Bombcast and some Microsoft guy was there too?), and he came across as articulate but also fairly unlikeable. I'd have to go give it another listen, that was a while ago so I can't recall specifics. But he definitely wasn't as blunt as this Fez guy, by any means.
Interview from 4 years ago. Is it just him making the game? What the hell is taking so long?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Te3H6KkYLJo
As the years went by, it seems like he's more well known for attempting to make this game, than the game itself. Will the game even matter once it comes out?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Te3H6KkYLJo
As the years went by, it seems like he's more well known for attempting to make this game, than the game itself. Will the game even matter once it comes out?
Leader? I think you missed the part where it said he is an indie dev and the fact that nobody knows who this is
Riposte
Member
Picture of the panel for context. Guess which one is Mr. Fish?:
The one with the punchable face.
His twittering seems to indicate that it wasn't a joke.
But He's Western. His games don't suck. DealwithitdogSmug.gif
Fuck him. He may be (opinionated) "right" but that doesn't mean he needs to dress down a developer like that for them asking a simple "your games were inspired by us, what makes your games so different from ours in modern times" question.
Visualante2
Member
Guy's a real asshole of late. I unfollowed him on twitter because of some putrid shit he said, bit sick of his unearned position of importance.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
Picture of the panel for context. Guess which one is Mr. Fish?:
What damning evidence are we supposed to see here?
ULTROS!
People seem to like me because I am polite and I am rarely late. I like to eat ice cream and I really enjoy a nice pair of slacks.
Not to mention a boatload of NDS games (Nintendogs) and the NDS itself.
djplaeskool
Member
Damn, this whole thing just rubs me the wrong way.
I want to buy a 360 just to snub him and NOT buy the game.
I want to buy a 360 just to snub him and NOT buy the game.
Ninja Scooter
Member
SatelliteOfLove
Member
A good bit of both, yet it's no excuse to do what he did.
Air Zombie Meat
Member
hipster glasses I'm guessing.
I decided that after his statement on PC gaming.
None. It's a picture of the panel participants for added visual context to the OP, originally posted on twitter by one of the panel participants in direct reference to this comment we're discussing.
ditto and no interest in his game anymore.
REMEMBER CITADEL
Banned
That's what GDC panels are often like, yes.
Hot Coldman
Banned
Hey guys, here's an idea: maybe the GDC organisers should enforce a policy that means you have to have developed a game to be on a fecking GDC panel
Obviously there could be special cases but basically it stops giving people platforms they haven't exactly earned the right to be on yet.
Obviously there could be special cases but basically it stops giving people platforms they haven't exactly earned the right to be on yet.
So, indie talk...
Oh that's just disturbing *__*
That's right, let's all go the way of western AAA game design - remove everything that would constitute a challenge or complexity that requires thought. Gotta "streamline" everything. That's too much RPG, make it a shooter. Make it harder to die, we gotta make sure everyone gets to see all these assets we made. 10 hours? Too long. Can you bring it down to 5? It's too hard to make people look at health bars, throw some jelly on the screen. What do you mean "balance the encounter?" Just make the health regenerate and make sure to sprinkle some waist-high cover around the room.
Wait, it's time to make a super unique never-been-done-before indie game! 2D platformer with "old-school" pixel art, go!
Wait, it's time to make a super unique never-been-done-before indie game! 2D platformer with "old-school" pixel art, go!
a lot of friends in the industry
Picture of the panel for context. Guess which one is Mr. Fish?:
He's not the woman! What do I win?
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
He was openly confronting the MS guys with complaints he had about their publishing rules/process. That's unusual to hear on a podcast, so it might stand out and lead you to make inferences about his personality but I found him interesting rather than unlikeable.
Why the question "guess which one is Fish?" That strongly implies you meant more than to simply show a picture.
Itagaki is the most outspoken Japanese developer I can think of off hand. He may be critical of certain parts of his nations work practices regarding video games and he is correct that certain long held beliefs need a modern shake up.....but I'm still willing to bet after being told all of Japan's games suck that he would be the first to tell this Fish bozo to go take a flying fuck at a rolling donut.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
What this guy needs to get through his head is that games, like all other popular media, are influenced by fashion, the zeitgeist, popular taste.
Japanese games have gone out of fashion a little (apart of course from Nintendo's massive selling evergreen franchises - but that doesn't fit the "story", so lets pass on it) while certain core Western styles have come in.
The truth of the matter is that there's waaay too much back-slapping going on, way too much nationalistic tub-thumping when the gains made this generation have in truth been fairly slim.
History will show Japan still "won" this console generation by a landslide. The tyranny of numbers will see to that if you're sad enough to be keeping score.
There also have been far too many big western games that have been given a free pass by the reviewing community despite having pretty egregious and obvious issues.
Japanese games have gone out of fashion a little (apart of course from Nintendo's massive selling evergreen franchises - but that doesn't fit the "story", so lets pass on it) while certain core Western styles have come in.
The truth of the matter is that there's waaay too much back-slapping going on, way too much nationalistic tub-thumping when the gains made this generation have in truth been fairly slim.
History will show Japan still "won" this console generation by a landslide. The tyranny of numbers will see to that if you're sad enough to be keeping score.
There also have been far too many big western games that have been given a free pass by the reviewing community despite having pretty egregious and obvious issues.
Well, it's obviously true, and he's obviously defensive about it. So instead of answering the question he'd rather turn it into a (stupid) joke.
Saint of Killers
Member
Picture of the panel for context. Guess which one is Mr. Fish?:
The one who thinks being a dickhead is cool.
Your eyes aren't saying that
Oh dear. That was not the correct answer.
I really don't care about "professionalism." I think people should should say what they need to say even if inflammatory. However, professionalism is typically a guide to prevent you from saying over-generalized, under-thought, and ignorant bullshit. Also, people don't take kindly to assholes.
I really don't care about "professionalism." I think people should should say what they need to say even if inflammatory. However, professionalism is typically a guide to prevent you from saying over-generalized, under-thought, and ignorant bullshit. Also, people don't take kindly to assholes.
quinntendopower
Banned
what the fuck is a fez
Ignis Fatuus
Banned
Limbaugh thought he was untouchable too.
Also, in that case he was having a discussion with two guys who work at a large game publisher about their policies. In this case, we have a guy crushing an aspiring indie game developer just to be an asshole.
nintendors
Member
I bet after this thread ,we will have another thread titled "Fez developer says :I was joking and gamers cant take a joke nowadays"
Damage control much ??
Damage control much ??
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
I don't know whether to laugh at this statement's ignorance, cry at it, or both. Both countries produce a few gems and lots of derivative shit.
charlequin
Banned
Yeah, I hope the next time there's a thread about something that Blow did, people can think back on this thread and notice the difference between the two instead of running on about ZOMG PRETENTIOUS.
There's a lot of factors that go into this. When people talk about development problems in Japan, what they mean is that Japanese studios making AAA games haven't adopted the development methodologies, technological tools, and organizational structures that are standard practice at Western studios. This is really a direct result of studios trying to take a model that worked (and still works) for small-scale projects and scale it up to a scope it can't handle, while ignoring (purposely or through lack of knowledge) the fact that it's more or less a solved problem.
I definitely think it's a trend that's worthy of discussion, but given that statements about this are often wrapped tight in racist xenophobia and ignore the vast majority of the market (like, say, the incredibly fertile handheld market in which Japanese developers have continued to excel... or the developers like Nintendo and From who have had major Western success... or the publishers like Capcom who have aggressively moved to improve their structure and technological base...) it's very hard to talk about in a sensible way.
thetrin
Hail, peons, for I have come as ambassador from the great and bountiful Blueberry Butt Explosion
Professionalism is essential when you're speaking to people you don't know. That's how you prevent yourself from being a monumental asshole.
djplaeskool
Member
XBOX HIVES
Banned
Eh I personally side with Phil Fish on this one. Japanese devs have really disappointed me this gen.
- Status