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How well did Phantasy Star Universe do?

Not that great.

 

[GhostTrick]

So why did they even bother supporting 3DS ?

Capcom made the decission to support the 3DS when there was no userbase at all, many will have done the same at this point in time.

*IF* major support does dwindle then you'll see a knee jerk price drop EXACTLY the same as with the 3DS.

We JUST LIVED THROUGH THIS WITH THE 3DS.



again - this keeps getting wheeled out and there is ZERO evidence for it. ZERO.
Unless there is some sort of mass poll akin to "did you own a PSP and now bought a 3DS but aren't going to buy a Vita because the games you want are now all on the 3DS?" that i missed?

Because those titles were announced before 3DS has been released. Capcom saw DS'succes in 3DS. And a lot of devs saw the same. So all the games announced with screens etc, were supposed to be released. The problem with Vita is that a few big games were announced. And now, with the difficulties of Vita, devs will cancel some games, or even change their minds about announce new games on the system. 3DS had the same problem, but it had games already announced. But when it had problems to sell, some games have been canceled, and lot of devs stayed away, and didn't wanted to announce things on it. Also, lot of games has been delayed.

 

[Principate]

I didn't say that they weren't in a worse position.


PSP sales are shit tastic ? It was the strongest selling platform full stop last year wasn't it?

Whilst it's trending down now, the games are still selling well so it's not like PSP support is going to be a problem.

I honestly think more of the problem for sony is getting people to convert up rather than the 3DS. I don't think there's many people jumping over personally, but again - i can't prove that either way either.

Said previously though - it WILL happen come MH4 though. So sony have a clock to beat for sure. It's DEFINITELY going to happen then, without question.


with 5.x million users vs 540k - yes. that one.

But the game sold so low in proportion to either that such a comparison is worthless. The game sold badly on both systems that's all their is to it doesn't help your point at all. It simply means there was a small amount of people interested in it in the first place.

 

[pramath]

again - this keeps getting wheeled out and there is ZERO evidence for it. ZERO.
Unless there is some sort of mass poll akin to "did you own a PSP and now bought a 3DS but aren't going to buy a Vita because the games you want are now all on the 3DS?" that i missed?

Again: Look at the sales for games like Monster Hunter and Resident Evil.
That alone is indication, if not conclusive proof, that developers at least see the 3DS as a successor to the PSP, and that the consumers are responding accordingly.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

I was expecting a whole different Vita vibe after this event, the vibe is kinda different but not the direction I was looking for

I really want a strong handheld market so these smartphones and iOS things are not forced down my throat in a few years as the only way to get my games

now I feel the market is wide open

 

[Maedhros]

DCharlie you perfectly know that while 3DS launch wasn't good, the console wasn't selling anywhere near the horrid vita numbers we see now...

Japan is Nintendoland (for portables). It has a reason too. Nintendo's handhelds will always sell at least a bit well. I'm sure the core fans for their handhelds are bigger than Sony.

 

[Father_Brain]

Wow. So... the big Phantasy Star announcement everyone (including me) expected is not only a seemingly straight port of a PC game, but one that won't be out until 2013.

I'm still giving Sony until this year's TGS to prove me wrong about their ability to secure key third-party support, but they're not doing much to inspire optimism in the platform's future.

 

[jimmypython]

Next event for Japan is....TGS? I guess?

 

[gofreak]

The facts are that Vita will be selling <10k soon, worse than the PS3 was selling, that we can confidently say that neither Sony nor a third party have a big game planned in the next five-six months because if it did exist it would be announced by now and that the announced line up for these next six months is awful. And if the lineup is awful the system will continue tanking.

But okay we can live in the lala world and think that maybe there are big games coming this year and for some reason Sony and third parties decided not to announce them last E3, last TGS or today. But they decided to show a Inafune promise, a SRW promise and a 2013 game.

I totally agree about the 'next six months' thing. Sure, we should know about any such stuff now. They'll have to rough it out.

 

[Pie and Beans]

I think I'm more surprised by a complete lack of any other Re-Masters. No Type-0 HD announcement. Is this game really not going to come to the west? Sega's back catalogue of Valkyria 3, Yakuza Black Panther 1 & 2 seemed ripe for that treatment considering they never had a pop at the west on PSP. The ReMasters program must have been one of SCEJ's biggest flops in recent memory. Did the kinda shoddy MHP3rd kill it with all that Korean hufflepuffle?

Worse still, not even a Hatsune Miku announcement! How low can you go, Sony Japan.

 

[pramath]

I was expecting a whole different Vita vibe after this event, the vibe is kinda different but not the direction I was looking for

I really want a strong handheld market so these smartphones and iOS things are not forced down my throat in a few years as the only way to get my games

now I feel the market is wide open

The 3DS has got that covered. However, i really wish Sony would step their game up, if for nothing else than to ensure that Nintendo does not get complacent.

 

[shink]

This doom and gloom thread is making me sad because I know it's true.

If third party support is lacking, you better hope that SCEJ has some system sellers up their sleeves.

 

[ChiefofCitadelSecurity]

Very disappointing if that's all they can muster up.

 

[darkwing]

This doom and gloom thread is making me sad because I know it's true.

If third party support is lacking, you better hope that SCEJ has some system sellers up their sleeves.

like what?

 

[Takao]

I think I'm more surprised by a complete lack of any other Re-Masters. No Type-0 HD announcement. Is this game really not going to come to the west? Sega's back catalogue of Valkyria 3, Yakuza Black Panther 1 & 2 seemed ripe for that treatment considering they never had a pop at the west on PSP. The ReMasters program must have been one of SCEJ's biggest flops in recent memory. Did the kinda shoddy MHP3rd kill it with all that Korean hufflepuffle?

Worse still, not even a Hatsune Miku announcement! How low can you go, Sony Japan.

There was a K-On PSP to PS3 conversion announced this week. That makes 3!!

 

[jgmo870]

Combined the sales matched more or less the first week for 999, so it could just show teh fanbase for the first game are split between vita and 3ds

Doubt it.

You mean the game that sold 15K on 3DS and 13K on Vita? That game?

The game that sold 9K on the 3DS and 6K on the Vita.

Not backed with any evidence?
Look at sales for Monster Hunter. Look at sales for Resident Evil. These are the kinds of games that would have sold on the PSP, experiencing similar sales on the 3DS.
I mean, the argument that the 3DS has failed to capture the DS audience can be made much better than the argument that it failed to capture the PSP market, given the 'failure' of games like Nintendogs+Cats, but even that argument goes flying out the window when one considers sales of games like, say, the latest Professor Layton.

Good People Die was hardly a good example, even the original 999 bombed in Japan.

Sales for MH are only a fraction of the sales for the MH games on the PSP. If you're basing your notion on this one game, look elsewhere.

It serves its purpose in this case. Simply saying that developers will make games for the 3DS because the userbase is higher is just lol worthy. There's more to it than that, and Good People Die shows that... kinda. It will be better shown when more third party games show up on both.

 

[AceBandage]

This doom and gloom thread is making me sad because I know it's true.

If third party support is lacking, you better hope that SCEJ has some system sellers up their sleeves.

They didn't on the PSP or the PS3.
=/
Sony just simply doesn't care about Japanese game development.

 

[frostbyte]

This doom and gloom thread is making me sad because I know it's true.

If third party support is lacking, you better hope that SCEJ has some system sellers up their sleeves.

Considering how incompetent SCEJ is, I doubt it.

 

[patsu]

The facts are that Vita will be selling <10k soon, worse than the PS3 was selling, that we can confidently say that neither Sony nor a third party have a big game planned in the next five-six months because if it did exist it would be announced by now and that the announced line up for these next six months is awful. And if the lineup is awful the system will continue tanking.

But okay we can live in the lala world and think that maybe there are big games coming this year and for some reason Sony and third parties decided not to announce them last E3, last TGS or today. But they decided to show a Inafune promise, a SRW promise and a 2013 game.

What will they talk about in E3 and TGS if this mini-event talks about 2013 title(s) ? 2014 titles ?

They should have something pre-planned for the major events already, provided the partners can deliver on time.

 

[Erethian]

Worse still, not even a Hatsune Miku announcement! How low can you go, Sony Japan.

Even if a new Project Diva game existed I can see why they wouldn't announce it now, with Project Mirai just coming out.

 

[Cipherr]

What will they talk about for E3 and TGS if this mini-event talks about 2013 title(s) ? 2014 titles ?

PS4 probably, and more 2013 titles.

 

[rockx4]

like what?

I personally hope they turn it into a jrpg system, and bring us more Wild Arms and Legend of Dragoon.

 

[darkwing]

and people place hope on SCEJ lol

 

[pramath]

This doom and gloom thread is making me sad because I know it's true.

If third party support is lacking, you better hope that SCEJ has some system sellers up their sleeves.

This is where things get really depressing:
what system sellers does SCEJ, or heck, even SCEA and SCEE, have?
The Playstation Empire was built on exclusives and system sellers- but they were all third party games. A remarkably short sighted strategy, for Sony to not invest in building ANY brand of its own that had at least some system selling power. The only series they have is Gran Turismo, but it is underwhelming at best in the handheld market.
In all these years, why did Sony never make a Pokemon clone? Their own Tamotgachi or whatever it is? Why did they never make their own Smash Bros?
And if they are so incapable of making first party system sellers, then why in the world could they not at least pay to keep their system selling franchises exclusives, or at least timed exclusives?

 

[darkwing]

don't worry, PS4 will save Sony

 

[shink]

like what?

I have no idea. Just pure optimism on my part.

 

[2+2=5]

Can we ban sony from neogaf?

 

[pramath]

Sales for MH are only a fraction of the sales for the MH games on the PSP. If you're basing your notion on this one game, look elsewhere.

It serves its purpose in this case. Simply saying that developers will make games for the 3DS because the userbase is higher is just lol worthy. There's more to it than that, and Good People Die shows that... kinda. It will be better shown when more third party games show up on both.

Yeah, sales for MH are a fourth of what they were on the PSP, with less than a fourth of the userbase. You're really helping your argument here.
And using Good People Die as an argument in the first place is, to quote you, 'lol worthy,' because for heaven's sake, the first game neveer sold in Japan, why would this have? It was a niche title at best, one that would have mustered about ~15k lifetime sales. Which it did, across both platforms.

 

[Spiegel]

What will they talk about for E3 and TGS if this mini-event talks about 2013 title(s) ? 2014 titles ?

They should have something pre-planned for the major events already, provided the partners can deliver on time.

We already know. FFX, PSO2, ZOE1&2, SFXT, the next Kojima game and some logos.

 

[Principate]

Doubt it.



The game that sold 9K on the 3DS and 6K on the Vita.



Sales for MH are only a fraction of the sales for the MH games on the PSP. If you're basing your notion on this one game, look elsewhere.

It serves its purpose in this case. Simply saying that developers will make games for the 3DS because the userbase is higher is just lol worthy. There's more to it than that, and Good People Die shows that... kinda. It will be better shown when more third party games show up on both.

Your not helping your point, at all. Your basically saying from now on the PS Vita will simply be getting low tier games, which helps it how? Unless lightning strikes twice, PS Vita is currently pretty fucked in Japan. To get it out of it's rut it requires a competance and understanding of the market I'm not even sure SCEJ has.

 

[patsu]

PS4 probably, and more 2013 titles.

Jack Tretton already ruled out major PS4 talks this year.

 

[gkryhewy]

Both coming this year? At least I am positive there will be a Call of Duty 3DS. I can't be sure about Assassin's Creed though.
But remember, the system only proved itself viable in the west a couple of months ago. Expect western third parties to respond accordingly soon.

Neither announced for 3DS, as far as I know. In any case, why then would you expect these titles on vita before *that* console proves itself viable in the west, or anywhere else? We're going in circles. I think you're assuming quite a lot.

 

[Pie and Beans]

There was a K-On PSP to PS3 conversion announced this week. That makes 3!!

Maybe Sony aren't explaining it right to pubs. To me it seems like free fucking money they should have been jumping on in preparation for Vita. Wonder if Konami used it at all for the Peace Walker port or if they just reached the same point independently... its such an odd situation. Sony actively chasing devs in Japan to port their wares for more cash-flow and even that doesn't seem to have drawn any bites.

Can't help but think the entire japanese arm of Sony needs a fucking firestorm and complete re-organisation. Managing to jump from the massively successful PSP to this situation speaks of gross negligence beyond even the inflated dev times of nightmares like GT and TLG.

 

[Leona Lewis]

There are still lots of games in the pipeline that I'm sure publishers weren't comfortable stuffing into a webcast at the last minute.

Way back in E3, Sega teased a high-profile exclusive from their EU branch that we still haven't seen yet. Around the time all these mid-tier games were announced in Famitsu (FFX, Persona 4:G, Little King's Story, etc.), GAF mod extraordinaire Kagari claimed to know of a Final Fantasy game in development for Vita that wasn't FF-Type 0 or FFX.

Vita's post-launch numbers are dismal, but companies don't historically react in a knee-jerk fashion (which is why the 3DS price cut was so shocking). If Sony truly sees Vita as a ten-year platform like they claimed for PS3, then to expect a similar act of desperation is missing the bigger picture. In any case, I don't think we need to worry that they'll hastily dump it like Nintendo dumped the GC.

 

[Metallix87]

Wow, this was much worse than I thought it would be. WTF was Sony thinking by hyping this up to be more than it really is?

 

[DCharlie]

Yeah, sales for MH are a fourth of what they were on the PSP, with less than a fourth of the userbase. You're really helping your argument here.

so at least *we* agree - they've not taken much of the PSP user base then?

 

[patsu]

We already know. FFX, PSO2, ZOE1&2, SFXT, the next Kojima game and some logos.

That's better. When are they scheduled to release ?

 

[frostbyte]

This is where things get really depressing:
what system sellers does SCEJ, or heck, even SCEA and SCEE, have?
The Playstation Empire was built on exclusives and system sellers- but they were all third party games. A remarkably short sighted strategy, for Sony to not invest in building ANY brand of its own that had at least some system selling power. The only series they have is Gran Turismo, but it is underwhelming at best in the handheld market.
In all these years, why did Sony never make a Pokemon clone? Their own Tamotgachi or whatever it is? Why did they never make their own Smash Bros?
And if they are so incapable of making first party system sellers, then why in the world could they not at least pay to keep their system selling franchises exclusives, or at least timed exclusives?

Most of their first party output in the PS1/2 ages were driven to ground by Sony themselves. Legend of Dragoon, Jak & Daxter, Sly the Racoon. I never got why they didn't cultivate these IPs into evergreen titles/long selling sequels.

 

[pramath]

Neither announced for 3DS, as far as I know. In any case, why then would you expect these titles on vita before *that* console proves itself viable in the west, or anywhere else? We're going in circles. I think you're assuming quite a lot.

I don't know. You're right. I'm just being incredibly optimistic, I guess, because unless there's SOME kind of support for the Vita- western, Japanese, it really doesn't matter- the system will die a slow, painful death in the coming twelve months.

 

[Jinfash]

Wow, this was much worse than I thought it would be. WTF was Sony thinking by hyping this up to be more than it really is?

It shouldn't have been advertised, I agree.

 

[axisofweevils]

PS Vita Heaven?

PS Vita Hell more like...

 

[Takao]

and people place hope on SCEJ lol

Honestly, other than the way this was presented nothing here was really bad. It highlighted some new releases, as well as some announcements of things to come that aren't big enough to deserve a live event.

I guess expectations are something that should've been in play here. It was billed as a web cast which usually signifies lower importance. We should be happy Sony didn't make a conference and announce this, haha!

 

[pramath]

so at least *we* agree - they've not taken much of the PSP user base then?

No, we agree that the proportion of the PSP userbase that can reasonably be said to have bought a 3DS- a fourth, since 3DS's LTD sales are a fourth of the PSP's (I think?)- has also bought Monster Hunter on the system in that exact same proportion (a fourth of the PSP game's sales).
Now, if you're saying that all PSP owners have NOT bought a 3DS yet- well, obviously. Give the system time. My point is, they all WILL. The 3DS is, at this point, for all intents and purposes the PSP2.

Most of their first party output in the PS1/2 ages were driven to ground by Sony themselves. Legend of Dragoon, Jak & Daxter, Sly the Racoon. I never got why they didn't cultivate these IPs into evergreen titles/long selling sequels.

Neither did I. Why sell Spyro? Jak? Why not keep jak and Daxter and Sly relevant in the modern age?
Most of all, WHY MISHANDLE RATCHET AND CLANK AS BADLY AS THEY DID?

 

[Spiegel]

Wow, this was much worse than I thought it would be. WTF was Sony thinking by hyping this up to be more than it really is?

"According to Sony's announcement, the broadcast will include information about unannounced Vita titles, upcoming releases, and Vita services, as well as new information about in-release titles. The broadcast will feature presentations from game creators themselves."

Yes, Sony hyped this up to be more than it really is.

 

[2+2=5]

My expectation were low, but damn, i was expecting at least some news on ff type 0! Is it really possible that square won't commercialize in the west(at least on psn) a game like that? O_O

 

[patsu]

Wow, this was much worse than I thought it would be. WTF was Sony thinking by hyping this up to be more than it really is?

My guess is the Japan marketing team is trying to save themselves, not Vita. ^_^
Whatever planned for Vita this year has already been set in stone. This mini-event is quite unnecessary.

Sony's fiscal year ends in 31st March. Would be interesting to see Sony's numbers.

 

[Blazeddc]

And you only need a valid Japanese mobile phone number and address.

I used a tenso address.
http://www.tenso.com/en/

Fixed Link:
https://www.jp.playstation.com/sys/vita/YTcampaign/codeform.cgi

Password:
&#12354;&#12426;&#12364;&#12392;&#12358;&#12414;&#12383;&#12415;&#12390;&#12397;

Edit: A bunch of games are 1000 yen off! ($12.2504)
http://www.jp.playstation.com/psvita/cp/use.html

 

[jgmo870]

Yeah, sales for MH are a fourth of what they were on the PSP, with less than a fourth of the userbase. You're really helping your argument here.
And using Good People Die as an argument in the first place is, to quote you, 'lol worthy,' because for heaven's sake, the first game neveer sold in Japan, why would this have? It was a niche title at best, one that would have mustered about ~15k lifetime sales. Which it did, across both platforms.

The 3DS has 1/4 of size of the PSP's userbase. Yet, according to you, Nintendo has secured the PSP's userbase. You see the problem here, I'm guessing? Never selling well has nothing to do with it. Geez. It's about relative performance.

Your not helping your point, at all. Your basically saying from now on the PS Vita will simply be getting low tier games, which helps it how? Unless lightning strikes twice, PS Vita is currently pretty fucked in Japan. To get it out of it's rut it requires a competance and understanding of the market I'm not even sure SCEJ has.

I'm not saying that at all. Don't put words in my mouth.

 

[DCharlie]

This thread is really weird because over at the prediction thread -everyone- had their predictions perfectly reasonable and not too far away from what we got -outside- of deliberately forced fake predicting that happened near the end.

Again - Japanese centric doesn't seem particularly that bad but nothing thats going to cause a sales surge (until next year) but i think enough to suggest that there's Japanese support coming.

 

[Principate]

so at least *we* agree - they've not taken much of the PSP user base then?

Your point is riduclous. Surely you see the blatant flaws in your arguement. Unless your expecting the 3DS to make the same amount of sales as the PSP has in less than year of course not all of the PSP's fanbase has moved on. The point is it's well on it's way to doing so, and unless the the majority don't end up playing handhelds again it probably will.