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Vigil in 2012: Wii U "has been on par with what we have with the current generation"

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bigtroyjon

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brochiller said:
It's funny how a positive quote about the Wii U like this from Vigil....



...can garner almost no attention. While a negative one has resulted in a ridiculous amount of people jumping to conclusions about the Wii U's power. Also note that this was based on older, presumably less powerful dev kits.
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wow, might be the best version. High praise with that quote.
 
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guek

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bigtroyjon said:
wow, might be the best version. High praise with that quote.
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with that, I'm outa this thread too.

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see y'all next mission!
 
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Jonm1010

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AceBandage said:
No one thought that.
It is, was and always will be a fact that it will be in a the middle ground between the two generations.
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we have no idea about that.

Rumors have the wiiU being all over the map.

Rumors have the 720 and ps4 being anywhere from a moderate increase to the more recent rumor that it will be a majorly significant increase.
 
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Barack Lesnar

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One last time:

Everyone with a hint of common sense in them knows the Wii U will be more powerful than the PS3 and the 360. The fact that there's a Vigil quote saying that is irrelevant as we already knew that. That's not the point of contention -- the key is how much more powerful. This latest bit of news about the hardware sheds some light on that and jives with what many of us believed beforehand -- that the Wii U would only be slightly more powerful than current gen.

brochiller said:
That's not the point. The point is that quote is about as definitively positive as this quote is definitively negative, yet the negative quote is the one people seem to take as absolute fact.
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Please read above post.
 
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Lonely1

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Heavy said:
One last time:

Everyone with a hint of common sense in them knows the Wii U will be more powerful than the PS3 and the 360. The fact that there's a Vigil quote saying that is irrelevant as we already knew that. That's not the point of contention -- the key is how much more powerful. This latest bit of news about the hardware sheds some light on that and jives with what many of us believed beforehand -- that the Wii U would only be slightly more powerful than current gen.
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Define 'slightly' and I will tell you how much my estimation differs from yours.
 
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Danielsan

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No surprises here. Nintendo has clearly decided that they have no interest in advancing graphical technology at the cost of profit. As long as people continue to buy their under-powered hardware, they'll maintain this new strategy. Either way, I'm just happy we're getting Nintendo games that don't look like total jaggy and blurry shit on my HD TV. As per usual I'll be buying it for the Nintendo games. If anyone thinks the Wii U will have a strong third party presence (that doesn't consist of PS3/360 ports), well... good luck.

Ridley327 said:
Are those red things on the pillar supposed to be tapestries or planks of wood?
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They are wooden panels. Kind of hard to see in a shoddy .gif.
 
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george_us

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StuBurns said:
I disagree, the Wii's support was because it was against the PS360, which were similar, the Wii U will still be against the PS360 for a couple of years it seems. It makes a lot more sense this time.
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Not only that, but I honestly believe the PS4/720 will be much closer in power to the WiiU/current generation consoles than many people want to believe.
 
nordique

nordique

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wsippel said:
Well, first of all, one could argue that the DS and 3DS technology is actually rather innovative. Both systems use atypical RAM (FCRAM) and very unconventional and unique GPUs, instead of common, off-the-shelf smartphone components.

Anyway, comparing Wii and Wii U, hardware wise, is completely asinine. Wii uses an overclocked Gamecube chipset. Wii U on the other hand uses an all new chipset, developed by several companies over the course of more than two years. Nintendo didn't just source some cheap notebook or set-top box components, they spent years and large amounts on cash having something developed specifically for their system. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to do that if all you end up with is a chipset "on par" with eight year old hardware. There are far more economical ways to achieve that goal.
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this deserves a quote
 
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schuelma

Wastes hours checking old Famitsu software data, but that's why we love him.
Heavy said:
One last time:

Everyone with a hint of common sense in them knows the Wii U will be more powerful than the PS3 and the 360.
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Bull. From the OP on this thread has been little more than thinly disguised Nintendo trolling and acceptance that "on par" means exactly that. I have seen very little reasonable discussion on how much more powerful Wii U is- 90% of the posts are from people making such insightful comments as "LOL Wii U is going to be last gen". You give this thread far too much credit.
 
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schuelma

Wastes hours checking old Famitsu software data, but that's why we love him.
CrunchyFrog said:
Ultimately all this matters not until all 3 consoles are actually out. And GAF calls out GAMEFAQS for their console wars armies, jesus.

Frankly I also think it's rather embarassing for the mods themselves to be starting flamebaity threads like this in the first place, especially ones that are A, based on rumor/hearsay, B, for which there is already an ongoing thread, and C, for which there have been rumors to the contrary all over the damned place.
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Good post.
 
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Cerebral Assassin

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bigtroyjon said:
More powerful and on par are not mutually exclusive terms. On par doesn't mean "exactly the same", it means it's in the same ballpark.

Epic guy said the WiiU is going to have trouble getting ports after the 720/PS4 come out so I'm not sure how that helps your argument.
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I'm not really making an argument(except the obvious, the Wii U will be the most powerful console on the market when it launches) except to say there are quotes claiming that Wii U games are capable of running at a higher res than 360/ps3 titles, & there are quotes saying that the Wii U will struggle with 360/PS3 titles so taking a definitive stand seems to be premature.
 
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Cosmozone

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Well I guess what the guy really wanted to say is "We don't want to change any of our assets for the Wii U version because that costs money and we need an excuse." I'd like to know about Wii U hardware as much as anybody else but this quote doesn't help much.
 
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bigtroyjon

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schuelma said:
Bull. From the OP on this thread has been little more than thinly disguised Nintendo trolling and acceptance that "on par" means exactly that. I have seen very little reasonable discussion on how much more powerful Wii U is- 90% of the posts are from people making such insightful comments as "LOL Wii U is going to be last gen". You give this thread far too much credit.
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Uhh, it can be more powerful and also be last gen, just like Mike Capps from epic said.
 
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Horse Armour

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schuelma said:
Bull. From the OP on this thread has been little more than thinly disguised Nintendo trolling and acceptance that "on par" means exactly that. I have seen very little reasonable discussion on how much more powerful Wii U is- 90% of the posts are from people making such insightful comments as "LOL Wii U is going to be last gen". You give this thread far too much credit.
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Calling a mod a troll?
 
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SuomiDude

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So what I gather from all of this, WiiU will be more powerful than XBox 360 and PS3, just as it's been told before. Yay...

Nintendo games on a powerhouse console in HD with innovative controller will be awesome. WiiU and PC will be enough for next 5 or 6 years.
 
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aeolist

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The only important thing about the console's design is whether it uses programmable shaders on the DX10/11 level. If it does then it'll get ports, they'll just be lower-end if the specs aren't as good.
 
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Mrbob

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Dreamwriter said:
My personal belief is that the Wii-U will be more powerful than current-gen consoles, but not by an order of magnitude. And that's fine. Let's say the Wii-U is like the Xbox compared to the Dreamcast - same generation, but clearly capable of better graphics, due to more memory and a new graphical feature or two. Since it costs a hell of a lot of money and time to make game assets which fully take advantage of even PS3/Xbox 360 hardware, few next-gen games are going to be amazing-looking no matter how powerful the hardware.

With the Wii, Nintendo hasn't gotten the biggest games ported from other consoles not only because their system was weak, but because it was just too different from the competition. Lack of standard pixel/fragment shaders and low texture memory, coupled with the completely different controls meant that any game would have to be completely rewritten for the Nintendo hardware, and that is too pricey for publishers to take a risk on. The Wii-U, however, is fixing all of this. The graphics system is going to be standardized and the controller is pretty much a standard game controller with a screen hacked in, so the system should get all the big releases.

Also consider this: Wii-U is coming out this year. Both Sony and Microsoft have clearly stated that they will not be even discussing new gaming hardware during E3 this year, which means it's likely that their consoles aren't coming out until 2014 (game consoles don't get released less than a year after their announcement). If Nintendo can be hardware top-dog for over a year, even if it isn't a huge jump, that will get plenty of third party developers used-to developing for it, and give it time to get a large pool of owners, which will keep the games coming regardless of how powerful the competition is.
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Serous question: Do you truly expect western 3rd parties to offer a Wii U version of a game and not a PS360 version?

I'm not following your logic. If the Wii U receives a bunch of PS360 games, which will also be available on PS360, Nintendo will have an advantage against the PS4/Nextbox? Why would anyone with a PS360 buy a Wii U to play a game they already can own on their system of choice?

This is the problem is Nintendo is only going a little above current era spec. Unless this generation is going on till about 2017 I'm not sure what advantage they gain by being 6 years late with the other two systems having establishing themselves already.
 
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Ponn

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Ugh...at this point I think we can just start cutting and pasting post from before Wii launch.

Cripes sake people it doesn't take an industry person to know how this is going to end up, just someone NOT caught up in nin-hype with even a vague recollection of every Nintendo console released and how Nintendo plays the game.

1) Nintendo has NEVER tried to compete exclusively in the graphics dept.

2) the new controller is already going to drive up production costs. They WILL NOT drive it up further with cutting edge hardware.

3) the hardware will again be in between current and next gen, only debate now is how much closer to current.

4) if the main topic you are debating is how well you can up-res a port of a current gen game with any extra effects that should be clue one for you in regards to point 3.

5) wii U will not be getting faithful multi plat ports of next gen games. You are fooling yourself if you believe otherwise. It is the wii all over again. You buy a Nintendo console to play Nintendo games.

6) GOOD third party exclusive support will depend on how well it sells which depends on price and if casuals will buy another wii.

7) this is a Nintendo console, who the fuck knows what it will do
 
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bigtroyjon

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Cerebral Assassin said:
He said "beyond current gen", just not "leapfrogging" it.
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And he said it would be difficult, like the situation we currently have, to port stuff to the WiiU after the next consoles come out.

Sounds to me like more powerful while still being stuck a gen behind. Look forward to the alternate translation that I'm sure is coming.
 
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Cerebral Assassin

Member
upJTboogie said:
Does that thread not show that suggesting good Nintendo news gets no attention is wrong
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It shows that "good news" gets significantly less attention than "bad news" (considering if this thread doesn't get locked, it will likely be 3-4 times the size of the other thread in the same time frame).
 
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squidyj

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z0m3le said:
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The lighting on the underside of the spider, the texture sizes, the self shadowing, other shader model 4.0+ effects, it's also running 720p @ 30fps, and on the screen as well, none of the lighting is prebaked, as proven by being able to change the scene instantly from night to day.
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You don't know what you're talking about =D you think a simple state transition between day and night proves what? that the demo is running a real-time GI sim? We had a thread discussing this demo a while back, there's nothing special going on in it.
 
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Ecotic

Member
This is frustrating, Nintendo's stock price is now a paltry 25% of what it was 4 years ago due to Iwata's corporate vision which just isn't working anymore. If the Wii had been on par with the other consoles graphically (and with equal capabilities) it would still be the dominant console this generation with potentially two good years left to milk.

I'm glad Iwata brought Nintendo back in the early part of last generation, but his strategy for the company just isn't working anymore. They don't seem to have an answer for adapting to a world that's changed since the Wii launched. They're mostly just warming over last generation's strategy (low power hardware with a game play gimmick like touch screens or motion control).

I watch companies like Google or Apple fighting and clawing to stay on top of a world that's moving ever faster, and I see their stock prices triple in value or more, and then I see Nintendo just kind of languishing, mostly hoping aging franchises, fan loyalty, and a retread of the Wii will be enough.
 
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Indyana

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CrunchyFrog said:
Ultimately all this matters not until all 3 consoles are actually out. And GAF calls out GAMEFAQS for their console wars armies, jesus.

Frankly I also think it's rather embarassing for the mods themselves to be starting flamebaity threads like this in the first place, especially ones that are A, based on rumor/hearsay, B, for which there is already an ongoing thread, and C, for which there have been rumors to the contrary all over the damned place.
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When I see a thread like this created by a mod and with early mod contributions, I have always thought about the honeytrap. They create a honeytrap thread to attract the trolls. And the other threads are less trollish.

I don't have much problem with a honeytrap thread, but I would like to know where the good discussion is going.
 
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