brochiller
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Yeah that was Gearbox that said that.
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Vigil in 2012: Wii U "has been on par with what we have with the current generation"
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Yeah that was Gearbox that said that.
CoffeeJanitor
Member
You're kind of just guessing what they mean in their quotes. Same thing ITT. I'm also accepting a lot of what's been stated in the Wii U thread as well (see summary post earlier in the thread), so yeah.
I don't have a horse in this race, so don't label me a fanboy.
Cerebral Assassin
Member
I think that the bolded is more than likely, but "beyond current gen" doesn't really tally with "on par".
H_Prestige
Banned
Why can't a developer who has access to the system's technical specifications know whether or not it is on par with current gen or significantly beyond? Why wait 2 years? Do we also have to wait 2-3 years to confirm the Vita is a lot stronger than the 3ds? I think if he knows the specs and is currently programming ps3/360 games for it, it would be pretty obvious where it stacks up.
CoffeeJanitor
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Clairvoyance
Member
Yes, several sources are worth more than your opinion. That is correct.
nintendo's biggest mistake was making darksiders 2 the centerpiece of their presentation, and after sony and microsoft did the same thing! oh nintendo, when will you learn.
When did I say that Wii U = PS360?
Right, so the mods are Nintendo haters.
I like how you're either a fan or a hater to some folks here. No middle ground people, pick a side.
fluffydelusions
Member
I hope Nintendo have some of their own games to show off. I'm sure they will but I mean something that justifies a day 1 purchase.
LOL...I literary spat out my coke.
Cerebral Assassin
Member
The OP's quotes are taken from the Creative Director, I don't see why someone would think he would have a more worthwhile opinion than his Technical Director?
PigSpeakers
Member
Hey guys, how many contradicting inane rumors or hearsays is this now? I swear, I could start coming up with stuff and submit it to kotaku and people would believe it.
I think the rule is, whatever the most recent rumor or vague statement that someone said is the one that is most true.
Can't wait till someone says that the Wii U is three times as powerful as this gen again.
I think the rule is, whatever the most recent rumor or vague statement that someone said is the one that is most true.
Can't wait till someone says that the Wii U is three times as powerful as this gen again.
Oh agenda...You guys should patent it.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
I didn't label you anything, I just replied to your post. And I'm not guessing, I'm going by what the quote states.
On par as in the PS3 is on par with the 360 despite being "more powerful".
There are not several sources. No sources contradict what the OP is saying.
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
Member
I'm a little disappointed that Nintendo purposely goes behind the current tech with their systems now. I remember a time when they tried to be ahead of everyone else.
I can see why they're doing it though:
For me personally, I don't mind the Wii U being underpowered. I still think current gen systems look amazing and I can't wait to see my favorite Nintendo franchises with current gen graphics. Some of the recent games still blow me away, so I'm sure by the time the Wii U comes out, more developers will find ways to improve the visuals on it.
I can see why they're doing it though:
For me personally, I don't mind the Wii U being underpowered. I still think current gen systems look amazing and I can't wait to see my favorite Nintendo franchises with current gen graphics. Some of the recent games still blow me away, so I'm sure by the time the Wii U comes out, more developers will find ways to improve the visuals on it.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Yeah pretty much
Angry birds looks the same on the new Ipad aswell. It's a very small group that obsesses so much about visuals (GAF plus a few more).
Sources that you are pulling out of your ass apparently. You haven't named a single one.
You think the Darksiders 2 developer is wrong simply because it doesn't fit your fanboy assumptions for what the Wii U should be. No other reason.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
All the technical director said was that it's more powerful than current gen hardware, which we already knew, at least those of us with some common sense. That's not what we're discussing. It feels like this thread is on repeat.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
Did anyone expect any different? An Xbox 360 port on PS3 tends to look exactly like an Xbox 360 game. Why is the Wii U different? It is the exclusive titles where the Wii U will shine.
herzogzwei1989
Banned
I still feel the Wii U will be right in-between the XB360/PS3 and next-gen consoles. We'll see what devs say about the v5 dev-kits, hopefully something will break soon, to put these Godawful rumors to rest, about Wii U only being on par with XB360/PS3.
I'm confident that Wii U will be the most powerful home console on its release, for at least 1 year before Microsoft launches XB3.
I'm confident that Wii U will be the most powerful home console on its release, for at least 1 year before Microsoft launches XB3.
It's a very small group that pays any attention to E3 too.
But to those that do... if the 360 Darksiders 2 is shown one day, and the PS3 Darksiders 2 is shown the next, and then Nintendo shows WiiU Darksiders 2 on what is supposed to be a next gen system and it looks exactly the same then that's just not a great way to make a first impression.
Like a poster above said hopefully for Nintendos sake they have something of their own that makes full use of the WiiU and does seem like a step ahead. I'm not talking about NSMBMii either, I mean something good.
Because as small as the audience is that pays attention to E3, the audience that cares about shader models and 1 gig more RAM etc. are just going to look at it and say it either looks like a new gen of games or it doesn't. Nintendo needs to make the impression that it is indeed a new gen, even if the hardware in the box doesn't exactly make it entirely so.
Pseudo_Sam
Survives without air, food, or water
Who gives a shit? It's Darksiders 2. If your final judgement of a brand new system is based on a launch-window 3rd party port, you're doing it wrong. And if your final judgement of that launch-window 3rd party port is based solely on its graphical fidelity, and not on the unique use of the brand-new control scheme for which the new system is being touted, you're definitely doing it wrong.
Games on the new iPad will run at several times the resolution of the previous one.
StoppedInTracks
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LOOK OUT 360 AND PS4!!!111 HERE CUMS SHADER MODELZ AND TESSELACTORS WITH TEH PIPELINES ON NINTENDO!!!!!11111
Can this fool stop with unrelated gifs?
Oh glad he's banned now. Hope the ban goes till E3.
This is what I hate most about GAF. The mod's deliberately making threads and posts to keep this forum divided and at eachother's throats. This interview was already been discussed and outcome of creating a new topic for it was certain. Now, context is lost and even mocked.
This quote comes from the interview where we first found out that they weren't adding anything visually to the WiiU version above the PS360 versions. It's key to understanding the company's context. It's been argued that the company has changed their tone because they found out that the system actual power. However, their tone changed since they've claimed the system was still more powerful. So the lack of improvements can't be blamed on the system's lack of extra power.
In the interview in the OP, Marvin Donald also states that he is in charge of the game's narrative and when asked about the difficulties of multiplatform development he starts, "Ummm... You know... honestly, it's not real transparent from my perceptive." He's not that involved on the technical side and the company line is that all the versions will look about the same, even the PC version. This simply isn't the guy to make definitive assessments about the system's power from one sentence.
Cerebral Assassin
Member
Well it's pretty hard to compare it to things that we don't officially have any information on (except there will be UE3 games on them).
brochiller
Member
He's not banned that's just his tag.
Because he's talking from a personal perspective, based on early dev kits (latest ones were recently sent and are not the final ones); of what the (separate) team at Vigil is doing with it. And since last year, they've said the same ..that their focus was on the controller first and if they had more resources, and time..then up the resolution and other things.
Is like back in 2005, when Itagaki said this about the Xbox 360:
In an interview published in the latest issue of Famitsu Xbox Magazine, Tecmo producer and Team Ninja head honcho Tomonobu Itagaki talked more about his impressions on the Xbox 360. When asked about the console's triple-core IBM PowerPC processor design, Itagaki called it a "buffed-up Sega Saturn," as the old console was also multi-processor, coming with two, 32-bit CPUs. He said that a single-CPU machine is easier for programming, but multi-core structures have become the recent trend.
While making DOA4 with alpha kits (same alpha kits Microsoft used to demo stuff at E3 back then).
When developers "talk like that" they usually mean in other things, more than just actual power of said hardware. In that case, Itagaki mostly was talking about the multi-core CPUs, but that quote was taken out of context many times back then, under the assumption that the Xbox 360 was going to be "on par" with the Xbox. When multiple sources and developers (even the same Itagaki) said otherwise.
Then there were the usual comparisons about how the 360 was a buffed-up Xbox, how it wasn't going to exceed PC games...just like every gen.
In this case "on par" goes as far of what they've been able to do with their (up to that moment) dev kits; doesn't paint an absolute picture of it.
WrenchNinja
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Uh...
CoffeeJanitor
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Clairvoyance
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I think you are very capable of reading the many post in this topic and the speculation topic, so I shouldn't have to point them out when already have been pointed out several times.
No, unlike some people, I don't think the WiiU will be equal to the PS3/360, nor will it be equal to the PS4/Nextbox. But yes, I'm a fanboy for trusting many other sources besides on that has already stated what I believe. Right.
Nintendo is hanging up the Wii succesor entirely on the controller and the new fun games it brings though. (they still have to prove that of course). So if they show Darksiders 2 with a few cool touchcontrols they did their job. If of course they show some awesome Nintendo created Upad games too.
Personally I think Nintendo saying they want to get the 'core' gamers back is just BS. They would be fine with the casual crowd again. But this time they need to keep them interested longer.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
These sources you're referring to either don't exist or don't state what you think they do. No source contradicts the OP.
Flatline
Banned
Are these leakers legit? And what have Epic and Ubi said? Honest questions, I'm interested to know.
Heh. Every time.
PigSpeakers
Member
Guys, I heard the Wii U will be an actual Transformer. A guy at Valve said so. You can go on awesome adventures and beat up bullies or something.
that's stupid. it doesn't even let me travel back in time like a real next gen console will.
With regards to them improving the game visually, iirc the PC version of Darksiders didn't have any graphical options other than resolution. Afaik it was a quick and dirty port, that people complained about considering it took 6 months to get it out. Assuming Darksiders 2 is another lazy PC port, then that would probably explain why the WiiU version looks the same as well.
Clairvoyance
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They contradict many of the opinions on the definition of par being posted here. Not a single poster here has claimed the WiiU would be as powerful as PS4/Nextbx, yet because we believe it will be more powerful than the PS3/360 that means we do believe it will be x10 as powerful.
Uno Venova
Banned
Can you please post the sources.
Clairvoyance
Member
No, that obviously means PCs are on par with PS3/360. >_>
PigSpeakers
Member
Well, I also heard from a different source that it won't have any ram, but will suck yer dick for ya. Lol, so last gen. Next gen consoles go past second base.
Even if WiiU is closer to PS360, it's disingenuous to say it's Wii all over again. For one thing, Wii was not a huge leap in power over it's predecessor like WiiU is over Wii. This is the first time Nintendo franchises will be in HD. Also, there won't be an SD/HD barrier between WiiU and the other consoles. They'll all be HD and the differences WAY less noticeable.
MoonLightWave
Member
I agree, you won't really see potential until you go exclusive development. They are just simply porting darksiders 2 to wii u.
To think that Wii is only on par with current gen is riddiculus, unless they are aiming for a $149-199 dollar console. Though, I know some people want this price range but then you shouldn't expect it to go beyond current gen by much.
CoffeeJanitor
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TBH I don't frequent the thread too much, and I haven't been following the Wii U stuff closely at all. You'd have to ask in that thread. The Epic/Ubi stuff has been posted ITT, I don't have the quotes on hand.
Clairvoyance
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Depends on you definition of "on par". Does it mean a very tiny difference in power, or a PS2->Xbox difference in power?