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[-Pyromaniac-]

well the end of that statement sounds plenty reasonable, particularly the "Won't be PS4/720 level" bit which I completely agree with. but the first part I quoted sounds way pessimistic.

PS360 (both) are aging decrepit senile old farts. even if Nintendo chose to be their usual stingy selves, it will absolutely BLOW AWAY PS360, because that shit is some serious old ass weak ass dog poo. they were fine when they came out 1,000 years ago (technology years, not literal years) but by now they are like this:


Nintendo could just completely phone this one in and CRUSH the ancient PS360.

just IMHO. but watch and see.

the reason I worded it the way I did is because I'm factoring in tablet controller cost, and the fact that nintendo probably wants to keep the launch price as low as humanely possible without taking a hit, so that might leave it only a little better in some places.

 

[AniHawk]

Were people expecting Vigil to push Wii U to it's limits or something?

well they did warn us about the reapers.

 

[TAS]

Nintendo could just completely phone this one in and CRUSH the ancient PS360.

Seriously. This nonsense talk of WiiU being current gen power really needs to die. It's utterly ridiculous.

 

[snowdog1971]

It's not that at all. If you want to make an HD version of Resident Evil, then the Wii just wasn't going to do it. Sure, it's the market leader and all that, but at the end of the day, the developers simply wanted to make games for the best spec and that was the PS3/360. The Wii U won't have that problem. At least not initially, and if Nintendo can run the table before the next systems come out, then that's simply a win for them.

Who knows how the launch of the Wii U will turn out, but as far as Japanese development, they should be in a decent place as long as they can do decently well at launch and get some games that people would like to play released on their system. At least they won't be behind the HD curve this time and that's a plus overall.

I think that Dragon Quest X being released for the U is pretty much guaranteeing the success of the U in Japan. And it wouldn't surprise me if we get to see a Monster Hunter title announced for the U at E3. If Nintendo mammage to secure both of these franchises they won't be able to make the consoles quick enough.

And it also wouldn't surprise me if Capcom announced Nintendo vs Capcom at E3 this year too, it would be a jlicense to print money and, again, would be a sure fire system seller worldwide. Not too keen on fighting games myself but the internet would probably implode at the news!!!

 

[guek]

nintendo vs capcom...

 

[Christine]

Some animations should not be looped.

 

[Bagu]

More than a boost, they'll put.. Cosmic Power in it!

If Iwata is Silver Surfer, who is Galactus?

 

[herzogzwei1989]

If the CPU is somewhat lacking compared to say, CELL, can't some things be offloaded to the GPU's compute shaders/stream processors? I don't expect first-gen 3rd party games to do this, but Nintendo 1st parties certainly would, or am I completely wrong?

Even though I do a lot of tech-talk, I'm clearly not a techie.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

If Iwata is Silver Surfer, who is Galactus?

 

[Azure J]

nintendo vs capcom...

Pit would be brok'd as fuck. [/playing Uprising and realizing he'd be Nintendo's Dante in a Capcom fighter roster]

Edit: :lol @ Yamauchi being Galactus. Pimp hand that ends galaxies anyone?

 

[AlStrong]

If the CPU is somewhat lacking compared to say, CELL, can't some things be offloaded to the GPU's compute shaders/stream processors?

Why wouldn't you do vertex processing and post process effects on the GPU in the first place?

:3

 

[ShockingAlberto]

I trust your info. Hearing anything on Microsoft's end? I think that is the real key here- if they don't go batshit crazy I think the Wii U will be in that sweet spot of being very easy to port to.

I have heard they are going batshit crazy.

 

[guek]

I have heard they are going batshit crazy.

Wait what. You really must elaborate. (please?)

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Wait what. You really must elaborate. (please?)

They asked publishers and developers what they need in a next-gen system

EA, Activision, DICE, and Epic all insisted on raising the ceiling by what we would traditionally consider a generational leap.

Microsoft listened because they were told this would increase game sales and hardware adoption.

 

[AniHawk]

I have heard they are going batshit crazy.

well there go my theories.

let's hope they can nail down something that's both affordable and not a time bomb.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

They asked publishers and developers what they need in a next-gen system

EA, Activision, DICE, and Epic all insisted on raising the ceiling by what we would traditionally consider a generational leap.

Microsoft listened because they were told this would increase game sales and hardware adoption.

RIP nintendo.

Goodnight, sweet prince.

 

[Penguin]

They asked publishers and developers what they need in a next-gen system

EA, Activision, DICE, and Epic all insisted on raising the ceiling by what we would traditionally consider a generational leap.

Microsoft listened because they were told this would increase game sales and hardware adoption.

So essentially.. they are.. trying to price out.. low tier developers who can't keep up with the cost?

 

[schuelma]

They asked publishers and developers what they need in a next-gen system

EA, Activision, DICE, and Epic all insisted on raising the ceiling by what we would traditionally consider a generational leap.

Microsoft listened because they were told this would increase game sales and hardware adoption.

Wow...was not expecting that!

 

[Roo]

They asked publishers and developers what they need in a next-gen system

EA, Activision, DICE, and Epic all insisted on raising the ceiling by what we would traditionally consider a generational leap.

Microsoft listened because they were told this would increase game sales and hardware adoption.

OH.MY.GOD

now I'm scared

 

[Plinko]

Didn't we just have this exact conversation a week ago? ShockingAlberto said the exact same thing then.

That's probably why Microsoft isn't releasing until late 2013.

Nintendo fans shouldn't be scared, though--the Wii did just fine because of the lower price. If MS is going balls-to-the-wall with hardware, there's absolutely no way it's going to be a reasonable price for consumers for a couple years.

We're looking at an exact repeat of the current gen.

 

[schuelma]

RIP nintendo.

Goodnight, sweet prince.

Without completely overreacting, if his info is correct, the whole Wii U repeating the same mistakes as the Wii theory is a lot more plausible.

 

[lwilliams3]

If the CPU is somewhat lacking compared to say, CELL, can't some things be offloaded to the GPU's compute shaders/stream processors? I don't expect first-gen 3rd party games to do this, but Nintendo 1st parties certainly would, or am I completely wrong?

Even though I do a lot of tech-talk, I'm clearly not a techie.

The Wii U is probably already designed to put less tasks on the CPU. It apparently already have a dsp to handle sound, and it even may have a processor(s) to handle the controllers output (like wii's scarlet).

 

[ShockingAlberto]

So essentially.. they are.. trying to price out.. low tier developers who can't keep up with the cost?

That is what EA and Activision are doing, yes.

 

[LegendofJoe]

OH.MY.GOD

now I'm scared

Of what?

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Without completely overreacting, if his info is correct, the whole Wii U repeating the same mistakes as the Wii theory is a lot more plausible.

but to be fair, if 720 launches in late 2013 (at the earliest), that's pretty damn far away.

Of what?

3rd parties being too lazy to port games down so much to the point where they just say fuck it and don't.

 

[Door2Dawn]

Can't wait until Microsoft has their 599 us dollar moment.

 

[Glorified G]

OH.MY.GOD

now I'm scared

scared of what? Whatever ms does has no affect on the quality of software Nintendo puts out. So why are you freaking out?

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Can't wait until Microsoft has their 599 us dollar moment.

top of the line GPUZ and the RAMZ ARE HIGH. Tablet controllerz, normal controllerZ! Kinect in the box! Big Hard Drives FOR DIGITALZZ

NINE HUNDRED AND NINETY NINE US DOLLARZZZ.

 

[AniHawk]

Can't wait until Microsoft has their 599 us dollar moment.

i sincerely doubt microsoft would be that stupid after what they saw happen with the ps3. they'll just bleed it out for a while like they've always done.

 

[MrBelmontvedere]

If the CPU is somewhat lacking compared to say, CELL, can't some things be offloaded to the GPU's compute shaders/stream processors? I don't expect first-gen 3rd party games to do this, but Nintendo 1st parties certainly would, or am I completely wrong?

well, technically it was Sony that was completely wrong with CELL.

forget CELL, the execution was completely 'back asswords'

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Without completely overreacting, if his info is correct, the whole Wii U repeating the same mistakes as the Wii theory is a lot more plausible.

I don't think it will necessarily be a comparable situation, except as far as Wii U games looking worse that XBox 3 games.

It all depends on how scalable UE4 is with UE3, how big the budgets actually end up exploding to, and where major new IPs go.

That is to say, it will not make the Wii U the home of third parties by any extent, but it should still get its Call of Dutys and whatnot.

 

[HylianTom]

Honestly, I'm thinking that Microsoft is more focused on Sony - i.e., trying to bait Sony into following suit with high specs (loss leader model again), knowing that the stakes for Sony are higher and the consequences of failure are quite dire.

Boxxing-out Nintendo would relegate them to their own corner niche of the market, but it wouldn't doom them. I'm relieved that Nintendo won't be lured into this kind of game of Chicken.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Can't wait until Microsoft has their 599 us dollar moment.

How much did they lose on the 360? About two billion?

And now they might end up the market leader.

They're doing a little better each generation by bleeding money and the Kinect taking off got the stock holders off their backs. They'll take a loss if they need to.

 

[Glorified G]

Can't wait until Microsoft has their 599 us dollar moment.

xbox 360 in 2005 was as cutting edge as you can get & it was $299/399. I don't know where you're getting $599 from.

 

[MDX]

There is a conspiratorial voice speaking in the back of my mind:

Maybe some are downplaying the graphics capabilities intentionally, with the blessing of Nintendo, with the hopes that expectations are dampened a bit before E3?

What you think MS and SONY are above corporate espionage?
Do you know they already admitted that they would lie about having new
machines just to put a damper on their competitors launches?

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Sony should pull a nintendo and release with a lower price and lower specs sooner rather than later, and then the 2 japanese giants can work together to box out the baka gaijin of console manufacturers. It's a gamble but if they rack up the majority of the gaming base by a large enough margine, developers will have to cater to them first.

 

[schuelma]

I don't think it will necessarily be a comparable situation, except as far as Wii U games looking worse that XBox 3 games.

It all depends on how scalable UE4 is with UE3, how big the budgets actually end up exploding to, and where major new IPs go.

That is to say, it will not make the Wii U the home of third parties by any extent, but it should still get its Call of Dutys and whatnot.

Good point. Will be very interesting. If 3rd party software does poorly in the year that Wii U has to itself, it will be very interesting to see how much effort is expended when the next gen Xbox software hits.

 

[Door2Dawn]

How much did they lose on the 360? About two billion?

And now they might end up the market leader.

They're doing a little better each generation by bleeding money and the Kinect taking off got the stock holders off their backs. They'll take a loss if they need to.

I'm not a business expert, but losing 2 billion and "might" become market leader sounds like a pretty shitty trade off.

 

[Penguin]

Without completely overreacting, if his info is correct, the whole Wii U repeating the same mistakes as the Wii theory is a lot more plausible.

I think the biggest difference is that Nintendo is launching first.. so they'll have engines.. built at least to run current gen games on the console.

If nothing else, it means there will be some framework in place to downport later on.

 

[Maxrunner]

They asked publishers and developers what they need in a next-gen system

EA, Activision, DICE, and Epic all insisted on raising the ceiling by what we would traditionally consider a generational leap.

Microsoft listened because they were told this would increase game sales and hardware adoption.

really??and Nintendo didnt because what???they dont think it will increase game sales and hardware adoption???lol

 

[guek]

They asked publishers and developers what they need in a next-gen system

EA, Activision, DICE, and Epic all insisted on raising the ceiling by what we would traditionally consider a generational leap.

Microsoft listened because they were told this would increase game sales and hardware adoption.

Perfect. Just perfect. This is going to be wonderful.

Costs simply cannot follow the same trend that they did this gen. They can't. Wont. I was more afraid of MS/Sony making a moderately respectable jump that definitively outperforms wii u while allowing pricing to fall within a $100 range. But vastly outperforms? As in some sort of 8GB hex-core console born straight outta hell and the size of an ottoman? With even longer dev times, higher dev costs, smaller installed bases...

what are they going to do, raise game prices to $70? $80?

this next gen...dis gun b gud

really??and Nintendo didnt because what???they dont think it will increase game sales and hardware adoption???lol

It wont. First 2-3 years of 360/PS3 sales were lackluster as shit.

 

[SlickShoesRUCrazy]

They asked publishers and developers what they need in a next-gen system

EA, Activision, DICE, and Epic all insisted on raising the ceiling by what we would traditionally consider a generational leap.

Microsoft listened because they were told this would increase game sales and hardware adoption.

Oh god, I hope you are not bullshitting. I will cry. I swear to mother fucking jebus that I would cry if you are bullshitting.

 

[HylianTom]

Perfect. Just perfect. This is going to be wonderful.

Costs simply cannot follow the same trend that they did this gen. They can't. Wont. I was more afraid of MS/Sony making a moderately respectable jump that definitively outperforms wii u while allowing pricing to fall within a $100 range. But vastly outperforms? As in some sort of 8GB hex-core console born straight outta hell and the size of an ottoman? With even longer dev times, higher dev costs, smaller installed bases...

what are they going to do, raise game prices to $70? $80?

this next gen...dis gun b gud

Precisely my reaction.

Where's the popcorn gif when I need one?

 

[guek]

btw, this is going to hit kotaku/ign/joystiq/etc in 5...4...3...2...

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

There's already 700 people working on epic mickey 2. Future call of duties and battlefields will just use 2000 employees for next xbox and game prices will be 80 dollars and xbox live is gonna be 70 dollars. All game endings will be DLC.

 

[SlickShoesRUCrazy]

Can't wait until Microsoft has their 599 us dollar moment.

they will sell it at a lost. Make hte money back via xbl and other "apps" on the console.

They have been pretty hardcore in subsidizing stuff lately....The Lumia 900 is going to be price at 99 bucks, can you believe that?

 

[Azure J]

I have heard they are going batshit crazy.

They asked publishers and developers what they need in a next-gen system

EA, Activision, DICE, and Epic all insisted on raising the ceiling by what we would traditionally consider a generational leap.

Microsoft listened because they were told this would increase game sales and hardware adoption.

You know, it's weird. I thought we'd be seeing more of a rebalancing generation going forward with how astronomical things were getting in gaming's budget on both the consumer and producer levels. This however doesn't surprise me, but fills me with a strange sense of dread. Putting out OP hardware for big premiums just doesn't seem like the best thing to do after this generation showed how that same strategy played out. =/

I also weirdly enough see an opportunity for Wii U if Nintendo has the foresight to take in all of the "lower budget tier" good developers from Japan and elsewhere and give them a playground to develop on with the system. Of course, this sounds like thoughts on the Vanilla Wii, but this time, the system will support the standards of development everyone will be using and have some extra juice to go forward with.

well there go my theories.

let's hope they can nail down something that's both affordable and not a time bomb.

This. I definitely see myself with Wii U/3DS/Vita/PC going forward. I can be tempted with a well priced 720 though, especially if certain trends regarding big releases continue. Also, I have a Gamertag that needs some carrying over.

 

[Glorified G]

Oh god, I hope you are bullshitting. I will cry. I swear to mother fucking jebus that I would cry if you are bullshitting.

I wonder if some people here are actually interested in playing future Nintendo software, or just concerned were Nintendo falls in the marketshare standings.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

btw, this is going to hit kotaku/ign/joystiq/etc in 5...4...3...2...

It's only talk. I haven't actually seen anything myself or heard it from a primary source.

But it coincides pretty well with stuff the GPU-manufacturers have been saying, as well as previous knowledge of what influence third parties have over Microsoft's hardware development.

 

[SlickShoesRUCrazy]

top of the line GPUZ and the RAMZ ARE HIGH. Tablet controllerz, normal controllerZ! Kinect in the box! Big Hard Drives FOR DIGITALZZ

NINE HUNDRED AND NINETY NINE US DOLLARZZZ.

i would buy it :3