JoshuaJSlone
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I think my next gen filter got infected by the NA Kirby filter.
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Wii U Speculation Thread The Third: Casting Dreams in The Castle of Miyamoto
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Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
Well I know you are in charge of the OT/chat set-up for E3. Any progress/updates on that front?
Dude, we're still a little more than 2 months away. I haven't start anything yet.
I still haven't decided on the limit number of people yet, but it's probably not going to be over 10, or we won't be able to understand each other.
I don't even know if I'll participate myself, if I don't have a working mic by then.
We're probably all going to end up on tinychat anyway.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
I don't think metroid in video form
The two main things I'm confident about are price and release date. They'll probably have another meeting/presentation/conference later in the year with those details as the main attraction.
Forsaken82
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They won't reveal specs...
SquiddyCracker
Banned
With a release 3-5 months away I expect them to reveal everything. Not necessarily full-blown trailers for everything, I expect previews and more information on the console, but nothing new.
nintendors
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ok REALLY off topic (but then again when did u guys have any REAL topics in this thread 
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what are Nintendo of America waiting for ? Wii sales last xmas could have EXPLODED if :
exhibit A :released Misty Pink Wii bundle with JUST DANCE 3 and 2 wiimotes
exhibit B: Blue/Sliver/Whatever Wii Bundle WITH 4 classic controllers and Super Smash Bro Brawl
bring Beyonce's ass (just like what they did with the DS) and let her play with her "pink wii" ,,,,,$$$$$$$$$$$ to the bank
bring Justin Bieber ass (Just like his music vid with the 3DS in it) ,,have him play SSBB with some JB look alikes,,,,,,,,$$$$$$$$$$$$ to the bank
its really stupid when u see all those (also available on wii ) games commercials and at the end of those commercial u hear ((ONLY FOR KINECT FOR XBOX 360) ,,,Microsoft is cashing on wii customers
thoughts ?? Agree disagree ?
)what are Nintendo of America waiting for ? Wii sales last xmas could have EXPLODED if :
exhibit A :released Misty Pink Wii bundle with JUST DANCE 3 and 2 wiimotes
exhibit B: Blue/Sliver/Whatever Wii Bundle WITH 4 classic controllers and Super Smash Bro Brawl
bring Beyonce's ass (just like what they did with the DS) and let her play with her "pink wii" ,,,,,$$$$$$$$$$$ to the bank
bring Justin Bieber ass (Just like his music vid with the 3DS in it) ,,have him play SSBB with some JB look alikes,,,,,,,,$$$$$$$$$$$$ to the bank
its really stupid when u see all those (also available on wii ) games commercials and at the end of those commercial u hear ((ONLY FOR KINECT FOR XBOX 360) ,,,Microsoft is cashing on wii customers
thoughts ?? Agree disagree ?
I guess they won't talk about their plans to buy the moon and paint a face on it to advertize the Majora's Mask remake
IceDoesntHelp
Banned
Wii U, won't be revealed. Instead the Next NEXT Generation Console the Super Duper Nintendo Entertainment System You Never Saw Coming will be shown, strongest console to date, even over powers the unannounced PS4 and
price and date
SquiddyCracker
Banned
Really?
I might be completely wrong now, but don't most consoles reveal price and date on E3?
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
Haha ouch. Well I know you said you were trying to figure out if you could skype multiple people, was just wondering if you ever figured that out.
But no worries, I'm sure someone will work something out when we get closer. I'd be willing to set it up if it's too much a trouble for you.
AceBandage
Banned
They won't reveal Iwata's hair stylist.
That's their most guarded secret.
That's their most guarded secret.
not nintendo
herzogzwei1989
Banned
Yeah but don't you think a modern AMD GPU could render that, or is the CG just too high-end?
Techies?
Personally I think it *could* be done. Look what EAD Tokyo did with the original game using a GPU built in 1999....
I think my next gen filter got infected by the NA Kirby filter.
That looks stunning.
I think my next gen filter got infected by the NA Kirby filter.
Needs guns, less color, and more fiery explosions.
Anyway, I can't wait see Mario Wii U. I really hope they decide to go back to Mario 64's level designs. I'd like to see the first Mario Wii U level be like Bomb-omb Battlefield except far more bigger. Huge. Enormous. Expansive. Like a never ending world full of fun and jumpingness.
SquiddyCracker
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TheCongressman1
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OOOOOOH MAMA!
Is there any specific reason you have for believing that there's a fixed-function part in the GPU? I'd be interested to know the evidence/thought process that lead to it (if it's not based on confidential info).
The one potential fixed-function feature that sticks out in my mind would be lighting. Good lighting is good lighting whatever game it's in, so fixed function lighting hardware is a sensible area to trade off versatility for efficiency. One very interesting (although also very unlikely) possibility would be to include dedicated ray-tracing hardware in the GPU. Now, I'm not saying that such hardware would produce actual fully ray-traced rendering in games (we're still a good few years away from seeing that in games), but even rather limited ray-tracing hardware could be used to augment standard rasterized rendering.
For an example, have a look at this video. In a nutshell, the technique they're using is to render direct illumination in the normal manner on the GPU, and then to use the CPU to perform photon tracing for one or more bounces, the results of which are then rasterized into a lightmap for final rendering. It can produce pretty nice effects in real-time, but it's running full-tilt on two quad-core CPUs to do so, and even then doesn't manage particularly good frame-rates.
CPUs and GPUs are pretty poor at handling ray-tracing, though, and there is dedicated ray-tracing hardware out there, such as this academic design and a ray-tracing co-processor from Caustic Graphics, who are now owned by Imagination Technologies (who make the PowerVR GPUs used in phones like the iPhone). Most of these technologies (and there are quite a few others, not to mention papers on the use of FPGAs for the purpose) are intended for full ray-traced rendering, though, calculating tens of millions of rays per second. A ray-processing unit on a standard GPU would only need to be able to calculate a few hundred thousand rays per second to match the performance of the video above, and perhaps a million or so to do so at a good framerate.
I don't know if this is technically feasible (blu will probably arrive shortly to tell me the many reasons it isn't), but it's interesting to speculate what might be coming down the tracks in terms of new GPU hardware.
EricDiesel
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Me too. Galaxy was great, but I miss the 64/Sunshine style hubworld that leads to a big open level. Galaxy was too linear. I'd love a bigger, crazier Mario 64 in HD. I'd lose my mind if they did that.
snowdog1971
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Has anyone else thought that Nintendo should buy THQ..? $40m or $50m should be enough to buy the publisher and all studios I reckon. It would give them some much needed Western developers as well as an extra publishing arm in the West. They've got plenty of strong IPs with the likes of Saints Row, Darksiders, Metro, various wrestling IPs and partnerships, Red Faction, UFC and de Blob.
Seems like a no-brainer to me. Buy them, finish the multiplatform titles and then have your studios working on the Wii, DS, 3DS and U exclusively.
Galaxy is my favorite or near favorite game of the PS3/360/Wii generation, but I agree with you, I prefer having a larger more open hub.
herzogzwei1989
Banned
Perhaps Super Mario Galaxy 3/ Mario Universe will have the best of both worlds. I'd go for that, as long as EAD Tokyo is at the helm.
herzogzwei1989
Banned
AceBandage
Banned
Going all out with that middleware.
herzogzwei1989
Banned
Heh, no way, someone else can do it, I'm not
I'll gladly take the credit for finding it, though ^__^
Its an interesting step but it suggests to me that things arent as cozy in support land. Microsoft and Sony arent paying for all the dev tools for developers on their platforms
AceBandage
Banned
Nintendo needs every edge they can get.
If they have to kiss kiss kiss up to devs, then they will.
Shows commitment though. I say pour it on.
Gahiggidy
My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
We're already almost there.
I'd love the thought of an HD Mario game that looked like that yet you could see the entire game world via a vast, expansive draw distance. Think Wind Waker but where the sea was filled in with playable, Mario platforming.
Saw that a few days ago
AceBandage
Banned
Yeah.. I can totally see Nintendo being Mr Nice Guy and the developers still choosing to date the Dudebro Jocks. Callin' it right now.
Gamasutra's report may have been today, Green Hills announced it a few days ago
Edit: On Tuesday [post]36400926[/post]
Nuh uh. I think it was in this thread and I definitely saw it on other places, I can get links if you want.
ViewtifulJC
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Everything! The whole conference is about the 3DS and some Wii games they're still working on.
"Oh, one last thing!" says Reggie, NeoGaf F5ing like crazy, hanging on to his every word. Reggie then announces Metroid: Other M 2 for the 3DS.
This is my nightmare
I see this happening as well, though I hope it's the opposite.
Wouldn't Nintendo inherit THQ's debt and licensing woes if they bought them?
AceBandage
Banned
Yes, plus there's no guarantee that they could do a full buy out.
It would be better to hire the employees that leave and buy off licenses when they are sold off.
herzogzwei1989
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That's why when i said it was news, I also said 'i think'.
bgassassin
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I better add some context to this. I wouldn't call it a conclusion. I would say it's no more than a hypothetical scenario of what would easily be many scenarios IMO. This is based on the Wii U GPU (last I heard) will have some unknown (by me) "Nintendo-designed" feature(s). Those unknowns could be anything. I think my version is slightly different from wsippel's. If these unknowns were fixed and/or programmable functions (no TEVs), they would have silicon dedicated to them. From there the GPU would have something like 400-480 ALUs. Run-of-the-mill ports would most likely only take advantage of the 400-480 ALUs and in turn would not have much of a difference, if any, between Wii U and PS360 games. Games built from the ground up would incorporate these functions on top of the ALUs allowing for a more noticeable difference. So if this custom GPU were say 600Mhz, just with the ALUs you're looking at 480-576 GFLOPs (2-2.4x Xenos). Games that incorporated the other hardwired functions while using the shaders would make the GPU equivalent to a 1 TFLOP or more GPU.
Again I just want to reiterate this is just a hypothetical of what the GPU might look like if it didn't resemble a "traditional" GPU that had 640-800 ALUs.
It would also lesson that Nintendo Seal Quality... I only buy Nintendo games for a reason...
herzogzwei1989
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I have nothing really to add, but I find that post really interesting. I'd keep my eye on Nintendo 1st party showings at E3 to see if any these additional features show up in games.
Fourth Storm
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Makes sense. Thanks for the clarification. If I might ask, what kind of hardwired functions would you expect to be included? I read blu mentioned the Flipper's TF and TC units. So them plus hopefully a modern tesselation unit. Anything else?
Edit: I also wonder how much texture memory might be included.
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