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Wii U Speculation Thread The Third: Casting Dreams in The Castle of Miyamoto

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IdeaMan

My source is my ass!
ozfunghi said:
Thanks. Just to be clear, when you are talking about "current gen games in 720p @30fps + uPad + AA" etc... you are talking about a current gen PS360 (quality) game and not a PC game, right?

And this "huge" amount of RAM for OS... How huge is "so huge"? I would think anything less than 128MB would be small, between 128-256 would be expected, over 256 would be rather plenty and over 512 would be huge... do you agree with that sentiment? :p
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current gen as late generation titles, home system games yes. The Wii U, in the context that i've talked about, is capable of handling a late PS360 generation good looking title + a 480p 3D content at the same time + additional things here and there.

For the huge part, well, i'm a teasing irritating <censored> little <censored> <censored>, but i'm aware of the OS sizes depending on their systems. So it's "wow, it can't be that huge, it seems too much"-huge, it's "have we seen such size in home systems before ? I don't think so"-huge.
 
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Indyana

Member
BY2K said:
They re-post the WoW eShop rumour as back-up for this? Bogus.

But HOLY CRAP if true.
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guek said:
:-(

I'd give it a moments thought if it was reported by just about any other site.
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Nintendo-4Life said:
If this means anything other than Mario Kart I'm not interested :p.
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Sadist said:
Yeah, not buying it
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Plinko said:
I can't imagine that would be anything other than white noise in an already crowded simulation driving game arena.

I'd MUCH rather them focus on a new F-Zero.
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Penguin said:
I would put more stock into it, if knew the website.

But not that surprising. Wasn't one of Retro's first games, a car sim or an early GameCube prototype from Nintendo?
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Wow, nearly unanimous answers. Ok, let it go.
 
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KageMaru

Member
guek said:
Has any dev come out and said those things publicly? Gearbox said today that it's more powerful than PS360 but no one is paying attention to that it seams.
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Not that I'm putting much faith in any rumor specifics but it seems like you're not paying attention as well. Gearbox said it had more RAM and a nice processor, that wouldn't contradict any other rumors talking about a weaker CPU in the slightest.

Again not saying any of it is correct, but that's just one example to how you could be reading things the way you want while still talking about everyone else.

IdeaMan said:
For the memory, it's heavily related to the following "surprising OS/Background room occupation" post of mine that may have been a bit overlooked.

Currently, in dev kits, there is a large part of the total amount of ram not available to developers for their games. My sources told me of an OS/Background reservation, an "imprint" in advance if you like from which they can't tap on. Search a post with X, Y, Z figures on thread 2 to better understand that.

And this quantity of RAM not available to developers, and not for debugging purposes either, is so huge, that i doubt it will be the final size of the applications running at the same time than games. So i expect optimizations in this area, and this is why i'm cautious with the aimed amount of memory told by Nintendo, because if they manage to lower this OS/background occupation, maybe then they'll decide to lower the system memory as much as the space liberated, but with games having the same dedicated quantity of RAM available for them as before.
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Honestly this is one of my biggest concerns with all the systems. Memory will likely be short right off the bat but all the focus on OS features will only eat up more. =/

I know im the minority but I say screw OS features, cut out 64MB of memory for the OS and give the rest to developers =P

magash said:
Of course. The only games that will look better are exclusives just as always.
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So is this continuing that crazy conspiracy that the development community has something against Nintendo? It's quite silly to say that only exclusives will show an edge over current Gen games.
 
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ViewtifulJC

Banned
BY2K said:
Are we seriously going to get one of those negative rumours once a day until E3, now?

I'll have to start sooner, then...

ibFYJfnKyZyU5.gif
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That was not where I thought that gif was going

"Wii, wii, wii..."

"Wii U"
 
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lednerg

Member
I think I brought this up before, but I could see the OS having a large chunk of flash memory reserved if it is doing some kind of 'hibernate' feature. Since the Wii U is in effect a handheld system, it would make sense to be able to just pick it up and start right where you left off, without having to reload the game from scratch. As we know Nintendo is into energy efficiency, this would be preferable to having the user pause games for long periods of time.
 
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guek

Banned
KageMaru said:
Not that I'm putting much faith in any rumor specifics but it seems like you're not paying attention as well. Gearbox said it had more RAM and a nice processor, that wouldn't contradict any other rumors talking about a weaker CPU in the slightest.
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No, I've read it thoroughly. I guess I just assume praising the processor contradicts claims of a weaker CPU.

But as always, this is an off hand dev comment, not some spec sheet, so it's open to interpretation. I'm surprised no one has pulled the "he's comparing it to wii" card yet.
 
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Shikamaru Ninja

任天堂 の 忍者
Indyana said:
Has this been posted?

Rumor: Nintendo's Answer To Gran Turismo And Forza In Development - Details
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A First-Party Nintendo version of Project Gotham? Count me in. A rumor of course but specifically naming the developer makes it a tad rumor believeable. After all, who would else would Lucid Games turn to as a publisher?

SONY? Nope. They have Gran Turismo.
Microsoft? Nope. They have Forza.
Activision? Wait they killed Bizzare. We hate you.

Call Nintendo and Electronic Arts. See who is interested.
 
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ozfunghi

Member
IdeaMan said:
current gen as late generation titles, home system games yes. The Wii U, in the context that i've talked about, is capable of handling a late PS360 generation good looking title + a 480p 3D content at the same time + additional things here and there.

For the huge part, well, i'm a teasing irritating <censored> little <censored> <censored>, but i'm aware of the OS sizes depending on their systems. So it's "wow, it can't be that huge, it seems too much"-huge, it's "have we seen such size in home systems before ? I don't think so"-huge.
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Ah, 320 MB. Got it. LOL.
 
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Penguin

Member
IdeaMan said:
Well, Project Cars is already covering this genre. That title is really promising and seems to be complete. We'll have our "realistic" driving game quickly on Wii U, and it's a relief for the diversity of the line-up.
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Well I feel like the difference here, would this be an exclusive title for Nintendo and a way to control their own broad taste.
 
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IdeaMan

My source is my ass!
Penguin said:
Well I feel like the difference here, would this be an exclusive title for Nintendo and a way to control their own broad taste.
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Yes, it can't hurt to have two good racing games :)
Project Cars for "simulation", and this hypothetical other title a tad more accessible.
 
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Shiggy

Member
Shikamaru Ninja said:
A First-Party Nintendo version of Project Gotham? Count me in. A rumor of course but specifically naming the developer makes it a tad rumor believeable. After all, who would else would Lucid Games turn to as a publisher?

SONY? Nope. They have Gran Turismo.
Microsoft? Nope. They have Forza.
Activision? Wait they killed Bizzare. We hate you.

Call Nintendo and Electronic Arts. See who is interested.
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MS was supposedly looking for a new PG developer.

Still, we know is that they've got more than 40 employees and work with two well-renowned publishers.
 
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ozfunghi

Member
IdeaMan said:
You defined yourself your "huge"scale in your previous post :p
So yes, it's huge
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Aha! I read it before you stealth editted your post lol

So it's 512 MB or larger huh. That IS huge. I remember when you first hinted about the large portion of RAM for the OS, i was laughing about "512 MB confirmed"... and Acebandage was saying i was being silly. Guess i wasn't far from the truth.

This is actually good news, since it SHOULD be able to run on less, meaning more for developers. I can't imagine Nintendo being so wasteful with resources.
 
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Maxrunner

Member
ozfunghi said:
Aha! I read it before you stealth editted your post lol

So it's 512 MB or larger huh. That IS huge. I remember when you first hinted about the large portion or RAM for the OS, i was laughing about "512 MB confirmed"... and Acebandage was saying i was being silly. Guess i wasn't far from the truth.

This is actually good news, since it SHOULD be able to run on less, meaning more for developers. I can't imagine Nintendo being so wasteful with resources.
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With that ram they could put android in there...
 
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Gahiggidy

My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
What if the thing has built in DVR. Wouldn't they need substantial RAM in order to record shows in the background while playing games?
 
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IdeaMan

My source is my ass!
ozfunghi said:
Aha! I read it before you stealth editted your post lol

So it's 512 MB or larger huh. That IS huge. I remember when you first hinted about the large portion or RAM for the OS, i was laughing about "512 MB confirmed"... and Acebandage was saying i was being silly. Guess i wasn't far from the truth.

This is actually good news, since it SHOULD be able to run on less, meaning more for developers. I can't imagine Nintendo being so wasteful with resources.
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It could also hint that there will be a heavy focus on applications, on OS features, with the Wii U, never seen before in a home system.

And now you understand why i so much stressed on the "a lot of room for optimizations", and it's just one of the factor where Nintendo could improve its system. Without even upgrading their base specs (let's say, the reasonable spec sheet built by the consolidation of the more informed messages here), there are many areas where they could optimize the situation, resulting in more resources for games.

HylianTom started to be on interesting and maybe right tracks concerning methods of dynamically dispatch/distribute/allocate the system power for TV and/or for the tablet, saving up even more resources.
 
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Sammy Samusu

Member
BY2K said:
Are we seriously going to get one of those negative rumours once a day until E3, now?

I'll have to start sooner, then...

http://i.minus.com/ibFYJfnKyZyU5.gif[IMG][/QUOTE]
Daily promo, I don't see the problem.

Some of you guys are all hot and bothered (lol at Ubermatik) but I'm sure Nintendo is loving all this.
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wsippel

Banned
Instro said:
I'll fucking kill someone if they skip F-Zero for this.
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Don't worry, the rumor smells like bullshit. Lucid is working on a character based UE3 game, is looking for a level designer, and has a mere 25 employees - most certainly not a racing simulation.
 
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AceBandage

Banned
Shikamaru Ninja said:
You are in the minority on that. It is a fantastic stylish series that plays great.
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Oh trust me, I know. I've given a lot of racers a chance, and only two have really connected with me.
The modern Mario Karts and HydroThunder.
I want more of the latter so bad. I know there was the 360 game but I don't have one.
:(
 
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IdeaMan

My source is my ass!
These latest interviews have done so much damage, and deteriorated the atmosphere around here, it's a real pity :/

Please, keep your head cool, the E3 is coming fast, don't wanna lose any more active members :(
 
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ozfunghi

Member
IdeaMan said:
It could also hint that there will be a heavy focus on applications, on OS features, with the Wii U, never seen before in a home system.

And now you understand why i so much stressed on the "a lot of room for optimizations", and it's just one of the factor where Nintendo could improve its system. Without even upgrading their base specs (let's say, the reasonable spec sheet built by the consolidation of the more informed messages here), there are many areas where they could optimize the situation, resulting in more resources for games.

HylianTom started to be on interesting and maybe right tracks concerning methods of dynamically dispatch/distribute/allocate the system power for TV and/or for the tablet, saving up even more resources.
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If i remember correctly, you hinted towards a total of 1.5 GB of total RAM. If i remember your post from before your edit correctly, you said "yes it's more than that"... meaning more than 512 MB for the OS. And one of the early rumors (not coming from you) about the system RAM was 768 MB (lost in translation as eDRAM and probably reserved for games). So if my math is still sound, that might all add up.
 
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HylianTom

Banned
IdeaMan said:
These latest interviews have done so much damage, and deteriorated the atmosphere around here, it's a real pity :/

Please, keep your head cool, the E3 is coming fast, don't wanna lose any more active members :(
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I've been trying to stress this lately. It ain't worth it.
 
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