nordique
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I wonder how much of that is OS reserved.
Ideaman seemed to be surprised by how much was apparently not allowed to devs for access.
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Wii U Speculation Thread The Third: Casting Dreams in The Castle of Miyamoto
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I wonder how much of that is OS reserved.
Ideaman seemed to be surprised by how much was apparently not allowed to devs for access.
If this is true, I would only imagine the OS has some serious functionality like mid-game pausing for face chat, or ability to pause some games, play others, and return to said games in the same spot.
GameplayWhore
Member
Yeah, I remember the lherre thing(though I forgot the name and only remembered that it was in WiiU ST2). Thanks for the added clarification.
bgassassin
Member
The OS has been one of my concerns when it's come to how much it will take up of the system memory. Obviously with all the functions Wii U will have the OS will be "large" for a console. I'm just wondering will it be more or less than 256MB.
-Pyromaniac-
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sounds like a ridiculous number. Unless this thing is giving you BJs while you play they better keep it low. I don't need to be flashing my peen in video chat while I'm saving peach from a castle. Keep that shit in check nintendo.
GameplayWhore
Member
The implication from IM a couple hours ago seemed to be ≥512MB, which is pretty crazyland.
edit: posts 15048 and 15075 seem to pretty explicitly say that >512MB are being reserved currently, but IM hopes that it will decrease by the final release by way of OS optimization.
bgassassin
Member
LOL. Hitting right at 256MB would be more than double what PS3 started at.
Yeah that's pretty out there. But I would hope they would increase the amount to 2GB if the OS were around that amount.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
that's so ridiculous. All you need is the ability to check/send messages/other basic stuff. No reason to go nuts.
But if they do go to 2gb then I'd be totally fine with 256.
bgassassin
Member
But what hatchx said is very possible so I can't just rule that out completely.
I could see them launching with a somewhat bloated OS and optimizing it over time. Over 256MB would be pretty wild though.
At any rate, the web browser is going to be crazy awesome.
What are the odds of Wii U having specialized hardware for "free" post-processed AA? (HUD can still be drawn after this step.)
Also, if the Wii U GPU is 300-400 GFLOPS, what's stopping the system from running Samaritan at around 720x400 (~350 GFLOPS) upscaled to the 480p subscreen, assuming minimal or no usage of the TV?
Actually, at that resolution, you could get away with using lower res textures, freeing up additional power which could allow the game to be rendered closer to 480p.
Anything off with my logic?
Samaritan-level games anywhere in the house.
Believe.
Not that I'll QQ if this doesn't happen.
What are the odds of Wii U having specialized hardware for "free" post-processed AA? (HUD can still be drawn after this step.)
Also, if the Wii U GPU is 300-400 GFLOPS, what's stopping the system from running Samaritan at around 720x400 (~350 GFLOPS) upscaled to the 480p subscreen, assuming minimal or no usage of the TV?
Actually, at that resolution, you could get away with using lower res textures, freeing up additional power which could allow the game to be rendered closer to 480p.
Anything off with my logic?
Samaritan-level games anywhere in the house.
Believe.
Not that I'll QQ if this doesn't happen.
ShockingAlberto
Member
It would be interesting if all the OS functions were always available on the tablet without needing to suspend the game.
I'd be genuinely surprised if the browser isn't available during games.
I'd be genuinely surprised if the browser isn't available during games.
It's not that the OS is available, moreso that there is an allotted amount of RAM that the developers can't access for development of their games.
I'm not a tech guy, so that's the best of my understanding/following.
-Pyromaniac-
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have a game's wikia open on the tablet while you play the game on the tv, now that could be useful.
Still a bit much and I'd rarely ever go balls out on different tasks, but it's cool.
bgassassin
Member
Same, though I wonder if that would be something on a per game basis.
Yeah I agree on all accounts.
Well a discussion I had on here with AlStrong a little while back that got lost in the middle of a bigger discussion going on made me think a "pseudo-Samaritan" could be pulled off at 720p/30. That also depends on the features of the final GPU though.
-Pyromaniac-
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But lets not forget guys, "it's nintendo". Which means anything is possible, for better or for worse.
God help us. E3 so far.
God help us. E3 so far.
GameplayWhore
Member
My vaguely similar hope has been DRC showing a badass old school game manual of the VC game that's being played on the TV.
Yeah, I know. I'm not expecting a uber powerful console but calling it a bridge imo sound more like... "well, it is not here, but it is not there either"
Now I'm sure I'm reading too much into it. This day was crazy and tbh I'm a little tired of the ups and downs
That I remember... lherre, Arkam and ShockingAlberto(?)
I wasn't even considering Ideaman in the list tho
Hmm... How many sacrifices are we talking with this pseudo-Samaritan? Would it even be worth still calling it Samaritan?
I'm just thinking about when Nintendo starts showing off the final capabilities of the system. I don't think it would really be a notable bullet point for them to be like "It kinda runs Samaritan on your TV... but not really..." (Not that they would reference Samaritan specifically of course.) I was thinking if it could at least run on the subscreen with minimal to no sacrifices then that would be a much nicer bullet point. Especially the fact that you could play Samaritan-level games anywhere in the house.
I don't know if this has been already posted. Maybe it's 99% fake (comes from the same web that "leaked" that crazy Wii U eshop game list):
http://www.dualpixels.com/profiles/...pment-?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook
It would be amazing. Lucid Games made up of ex-Developers of Bizarre Creations (Project Gotham Racing, Blur) making a racing game for the Wii U....
http://www.dualpixels.com/profiles/...pment-?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook
It would be amazing. Lucid Games made up of ex-Developers of Bizarre Creations (Project Gotham Racing, Blur) making a racing game for the Wii U....
so I assume everyone has already seen the latest trailer for colonial marines.
There's also a multiplayer reel that was released today.
I'm a huge sucker for the alien franchise, but I'll still probably wait on reviews before picking it up. An average score in the mid 80s will probably persuade me. There's still room for improvement, but the lighting at least looks fantastic.
There's also a multiplayer reel that was released today.
I'm a huge sucker for the alien franchise, but I'll still probably wait on reviews before picking it up. An average score in the mid 80s will probably persuade me. There's still room for improvement, but the lighting at least looks fantastic.
caligula13
Gold Member
Wii U is Day 1 for me.
But I am NOT going back to playing Ego Shooters with Dual Stick Gamepads!
But I am NOT going back to playing Ego Shooters with Dual Stick Gamepads!
Agent Unknown
Member
Wow, looks awesome, every time the motion tracker was used I thought of the Upad. And no more lame Predator missions, just Marines vs Bugs, whoo hoo!
MidnightCowboy
Member
Despite potential technical deficiencies, I know the Nintendo games are going to look amazing. I replayed some SMG2 last winter and I was still blown away by the graphics. It's so colorful, so clean. And Nintendo knows how to make water look really fucking good.
Lherre said the kits have a memory range starting at 2GB but that his kit has the higher amount in the range. 3GB is a safe bet as 2.5GB (1.25GB in final system) is to strange a number.
I saw some discussion about Metroid:Other M a few pages back and I remembered that I personally hated that time on the internet. It was like that game never really got a fair shake as reviewers who figured now was the time to get out their soapboxes and talk about subjects they barely had a grasp of. (feminism, misogyny, etc.) Also the thin East vs. West subtext was a little disenchanting as well, especially when linked to the former subjects.
It's a pet peeve of mine when people are disingenuous, and I could tell they were disingenuous from the fact that these topics was never really brought up before or and they haven't been brought up since Metroid Other M. The fact that they would be so blind to sexism in other games leads me to believe they don't even care about that subject, which sucks, because that's an important conversation to have, but not for cheap review jabs. It's even worse when they trotted out what few women work in the games press to give their 5 minutes of Feminist Critique™ and then sent them back under the glass ceiling (lol irony.)
I think that this set a pretty bad precedent for Nintendo. They did with Metroid what people wish Nintendo would do with their other franchises. Voice Acting, a diversion from formula, focus on story, focus on action, humanizing the rather "morality play"-esque world of Metroid (Me and Federation Good, Aliens Bad,) as well as a small treat for those previous fans who probably didn't appreciate Metroid being turned into a First Person Shooter (yes, they do exist), and they even increased the difficulty, a common criticism of the Prime games. And what did they get for it? They got skinned alive. So message received. Stick to formula and get bitched at. Deviate and get bitched at MORE, and have one of your directors/your entire country called sexists to boot.
This isn't to say the game should have been praised as mana from heaven just for deviating from the Prime formula. There can be criticisms made against Other M, like the fact that the game is hard as balls, sometimes the story gets in the way (doesn't stop Metal Gear from getting high scores though), and all that. But that needed to have been done objectively, and it was anything but. It was typically framed as those assholes from Nintendo stripped Retro of Metroid and gave it to those japanese sexists at Tecmo and blahblahblah. Which was sad to watch.
As for me, I like Other M a lot, and sometimes I like it better than Metroid Prime! It all depends on whether I've just played Smash Bros., which I think might have been a reason for the game's development. It's nice to see all these great moves that Samus does in Smash Bros. only to be disappointed that she's sort of a walking turret in Metroid Prime.
Anyway, rant over, time to look for a job in Georgia (LOL)
It's a pet peeve of mine when people are disingenuous, and I could tell they were disingenuous from the fact that these topics was never really brought up before or and they haven't been brought up since Metroid Other M. The fact that they would be so blind to sexism in other games leads me to believe they don't even care about that subject, which sucks, because that's an important conversation to have, but not for cheap review jabs. It's even worse when they trotted out what few women work in the games press to give their 5 minutes of Feminist Critique™ and then sent them back under the glass ceiling (lol irony.)
I think that this set a pretty bad precedent for Nintendo. They did with Metroid what people wish Nintendo would do with their other franchises. Voice Acting, a diversion from formula, focus on story, focus on action, humanizing the rather "morality play"-esque world of Metroid (Me and Federation Good, Aliens Bad,) as well as a small treat for those previous fans who probably didn't appreciate Metroid being turned into a First Person Shooter (yes, they do exist), and they even increased the difficulty, a common criticism of the Prime games. And what did they get for it? They got skinned alive. So message received. Stick to formula and get bitched at. Deviate and get bitched at MORE, and have one of your directors/your entire country called sexists to boot.
This isn't to say the game should have been praised as mana from heaven just for deviating from the Prime formula. There can be criticisms made against Other M, like the fact that the game is hard as balls, sometimes the story gets in the way (doesn't stop Metal Gear from getting high scores though), and all that. But that needed to have been done objectively, and it was anything but. It was typically framed as those assholes from Nintendo stripped Retro of Metroid and gave it to those japanese sexists at Tecmo and blahblahblah. Which was sad to watch.
As for me, I like Other M a lot, and sometimes I like it better than Metroid Prime! It all depends on whether I've just played Smash Bros., which I think might have been a reason for the game's development. It's nice to see all these great moves that Samus does in Smash Bros. only to be disappointed that she's sort of a walking turret in Metroid Prime.
Anyway, rant over, time to look for a job in Georgia (LOL)
jump_button
Banned
so we not getting the Kynapse stuff now? I dont play that many FPS so i dont see see need for to much and games still need to be fun I hate the push to make everything too real
You are. People seem to think developers are these amazingly eloquent speakers who NEVER use the wrong words. EVER.
Seriously, saying it's a "bridge into next gen" could just be implying a system that makes an easy transition. Cuz let's face it, the jump from PS2 to 360/PS3 development was OBVIOUSLY jarring to a lot of developers.
Perhaps the way Nintendo has designed it makes it easy to just slide into developing for it and it'll still have more power to take it into next gen with the others. WE DON'T KNOW, it can be interpreted too many ways.
But I know the interpretation everyone has already geared up to use.
The DSP (audio hardware) will be able to take a bunch of the load off the CPU, at least. Also, being an OoOE chip should help in the AI dept.
Holy crap :lol
Also, this goes out to Ubermatik
It's hard to stay calm in these times. Wii U's power, games or anything else don't really bother me like the fact that so many trolls claim that if one's interested in this system he is automatically a Nintendo die-hard fanboy who will buy anything with the Nintendo logo printed on.
Nintendo hasn't the worst fanboys, Microsoft doesn't and Sony don't have them, too. The worst bunch of people right now are those crazy cutting-edge-technology junkies who think that only raw power delivers the best game experience.
Yeah, this is a pet peeve of mine too. I don't think it's out of line to have a rational interpretation, but all these dev quotes are more casual remarks than they are official statements. There's a lot of wiggle room and we should probably take all developer comments in the most broad sense possible. As in, it's reassuring that they're saying something positive, or it's disheartening that they're being negative.
In the same vein, I think we should take all anonymous dev comments with a huge grain of salt, but apparently those are the ones we're supposed to trust according to some.
I'm just about done with my skyward sword run. and while it certainly has its fair share of ugly textures and jagged edges, I find it to be substantially better looking than twilight princess. The game is gorgeous. Doesn't hold a candle to SMG2, but pretty nonetheless
So yeah, I agree, I'm excited to see what nintendo's artists can do.
Well we know we can't trust the big name devs lie Epic and Gearbox and Crytek who have praised it, because they are currently working with the console and thus have a biased interest in the console doing well.
On the other hand, the anonymous devs HAVE actually seen the Wii U and have worked with it, so they can give an unbiased assessment and thus we can trust them.
Is this sarcasm?
It has audio hardware? Interesting. I've heard that audio can take a stupid number of CPU cycles...how is this? I never understood why sound would be so CPU greedy.
DefectiveReject
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Unleash the troll destroyer
Excellent question and one I can somewhat answer for you.
Sound in Video Games is just so incredibly random. It cannot be scripted down to every single instance etc. The Players actions in a game generate the sound you hear and as the player has the freedom to do generally whatever they want usually it means sound cannot just be prepackaged loop.
Run down the street in karkand shooting a machine gun. The Game has to process foot steps, gun fire, impact sounds on cement, asphalt, glass etc. In reality Sound is deceptively complex. Obviously some games can be designed in such a way that makes it easier but generally it can take alot of processing power especially for high quality sound.
LOL. With all the craziness that has been going on here one cannot be too careful. Some of the recent posters do a better job of spinning and twisting simple statements than most politicians.
I figuered as much. Also, how much room does sound take? Does it get decompressed in real time or does it reside decompressed in memory?
i know i'm late to the figurative party (more like emo fest) but i want to say that i appreciated Ideaman's info. simply because he didn't pussyfoot around with it and he DID still stress that this wasn't official (for lack of better words). but it wasn't straight simplistic BS like those 2 anon developers. it's amazing how negative everyone is (especially the media) toward Nintendo and their success.
it's funny how u have a company that still believes in having fun in games that doesn't involve shooting people up or hacking people into a bloody pulp. but because they don't do that and for other exaggerated, sometimes made up reasons, they get crapped on. even when we know almost NOTHING about the console accept for small details. i didn't go through all of the post because it would've just pissed me off, but Ideaman, thank you. if u don't come back around, i don't blame u. i hope to see you around E3 when everyone is jumping on the Wii U bandwagon ; )
it's funny how u have a company that still believes in having fun in games that doesn't involve shooting people up or hacking people into a bloody pulp. but because they don't do that and for other exaggerated, sometimes made up reasons, they get crapped on. even when we know almost NOTHING about the console accept for small details. i didn't go through all of the post because it would've just pissed me off, but Ideaman, thank you. if u don't come back around, i don't blame u. i hope to see you around E3 when everyone is jumping on the Wii U bandwagon ; )
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