Elginer
Member
Pretty much and those are TERRIBLE fucking scans but damn, that's how I always dreamed an Elite would look like. That's some Predator type shit. If I saw that coming for me I'd crap my pantaloons.
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Game Informer May 2012 Cover revealed: Halo 4
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Pretty much and those are TERRIBLE fucking scans but damn, that's how I always dreamed an Elite would look like. That's some Predator type shit. If I saw that coming for me I'd crap my pantaloons.
Just to clear up why people don't like this, think about it in a Capture the Flag or Assault context. You've pulled off an amazing Overkill Extermination, and the entire enemy team is dead, but you've lost your shields in the process and your teammates are just now moving up to make a setup to cover the objective carrier. Traditionally, it takes 7-10 seconds for your shield to return to full strength in a Halo game, something that contributes pretty heavily to the flow and feel of the game. Reach's objective spawn timers are either 10 or 15 seconds. This new one would theoretically allow a 2 second respawn timer. The enemy team is going to be able to spawn before your shield recharges, making offense even more difficult than it is in Reach (which is a high bar), and because Halo maps are functionally not as complex or maze-like as faster shooters, you're going to be getting pinged very quickly and probably die because you're not nearly at full strength.
I don't want to write anything off before I hear details, but it doesn't make a good first impression.
-- Reach pretty much killed any ideas I had that a Halo title would be good out of the gate.
FateBreaker
Member
Yes, it's a bit odd.
Basically its better if we wait and get the details from someone who has the mag who can present it in a better way and in detail
Well nailed. That's exactly why instant spawn is a horrifying inclusion. It's alright in Call of Duty where nobody really gives a fuck about anything, but in Halo, when setting up and map control matters, instant respawn is just stupid.
And that's just one in a series of shocking changes detailed in the cover story. But I'm sure someone will just say we're afraid of change.
Rodney McKay
Member
FateBreaker
Member
You're afraid of change.
I think you guys might be reading into it a bit too much. We still don't know everything...for all we know this is just for competitive multiplayer mode. Maybe they're treating CTF differently. It's so hard to tell when we are all extrapolating for a few scans of an alleged 14-page cover.
Gordon0Freeman
Member
Was reading through the Halo Waypoint forums and the dude said he didn't to spoil everything and still wanted there to be a reason to purchase the magazine. He also posted a snippet or something about the story but a moderator edited it out.
FateBreaker
Member
Ah, well that makes sense...since this is posted in the Halo Waypoint forums.
I'll probably wake up and this will all have been a bad dream. Or the guy modified the text. Or the parts of the article he redacted contained neat counter points that clarify how these changes won't affect the core Halo experience, and that they're relegated to specific playlists.
Or I'll wake up and Halo will have random weapon spawns, unlockable perks, instant spawning and join in progress.
At least the snippet of singleplayer information sounds decent. And Spartan Ops, despite the gash name, sounds fairly cool.
Or I'll wake up and Halo will have random weapon spawns, unlockable perks, instant spawning and join in progress.
At least the snippet of singleplayer information sounds decent. And Spartan Ops, despite the gash name, sounds fairly cool.
TUROK
Member
Well, I'm glad reasonable people still exist.You're afraid of change.
I think you guys might be reading into it a bit too much. We still don't know everything...for all we know this is just for competitive multiplayer mode. Maybe they're treating CTF differently. It's so hard to tell when we are all extrapolating for a few scans of an alleged 14-page cover.
Rodney McKay
Member
I'm looking forward to a lot of these changes. Halo multiplayer got pretty stale to me after I had played a TON of 2 and a decent amount of 3. I personally felt that the firefight mode had started to become a bad influence on the single player.
"Hold this location for X amount of time/waves" has never been that fun to me, especially in single player settings. A little strange they may have taken it out entirely, but the less "defend me while I arm this bomb!" missions I have to do that better.
"Hold this location for X amount of time/waves" has never been that fun to me, especially in single player settings. A little strange they may have taken it out entirely, but the less "defend me while I arm this bomb!" missions I have to do that better.
FateBreaker
Member
Not to get off-topic, but the whole weapon drop thing reminds me of The Hunger Games a little bit...for those of you who have read the book or seen the movie, you'll know what I mean.
Randomized weapon spawns is kind of lame but honestly I haven't had an online experience in Halo where I could get a team together when it mattered since Halo 2. Halo 3 and beyond fucked up the clan/ranking system to the point where noone cared and people only wanted to boost their own personal ranks.
The other stuff I couldn't care less about. I'm sure there's a ton that we don't know about the multiplayer, and 343 seems to be highly competent, maybe even more than late Bungie, so I'm not concerned about them messing up the balance.
Halo 4 needs to be the biggest and best Halo yet, and I think they'll deliver. There's no way MS would release it as anything less than that, so imo there's no point in getting crazy about little details when we haven't gotten our hands on the game yet.
No dedicated Firefight mode is bullshit, everything else I am either fine with or don't care much either way. Honestly after Reach I don't have any expectations one way or the other, so I'm just going to enjoy the ride and see how it goes. I have to imagine Halo-GAF is completely imploding though; even as someone who doesn't care if they radically change things up I think it's pretty understandable that a lot of long-time fans are going to be really unhappy. Even looking at it from the outside these at the least SEEM like huge changes, and really swing much more around towards Call of Duty than Halo traditionally has been.
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wow those graphics. Day 1.
specialguy
Banned
Game Informer actually came through...
Foxy Fox 39
Banned
Elites looks amazing. Graphics are looking tight.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
Member
lol, just got temp-banned from the way point forums for trolling the cry babies.
Because I don't want to have to be the person that joins the game in progress.
Bornstellar
Member
Screens look sexy! Will reserve judgement on MP changes.
SafeinSound
Member
i'll get excited when i see this in motion.
WickedLaharl
Member
Yes! YES!!! I was told such a feature would ruin halo but it is a godsend to me.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=32544212&postcount=316
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=28264530&postcount=16
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=24905130&postcount=2200
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=24120140&postcount=13516
I'm going to pretend this is all thanks to my whining!
It's been a running joke with my friends for years that none of us give the slightest fuck about our W/L in CoD because you are constantly being put into games most of the way in progress, and guess what, if you're joining a match in progress most of the time it's because someone quit because their team was getting wrecked so you're joining 30 seconds before the matches ending and you're losing 2:1!
So while you shouldn't really care about your W/L generally speaking, for any sort of stat tracking it kinda fucks that and instead has people place emphasis on K/D, which is about the only thing most people care about in CoD, which leads to what could be considered "bad" team playstyles. Most people don't care about winning partially because of this, which is why you see tons of people just camping and/or whoring their K/D and ignoring objectives, etc. This happens in all games, but this happens in my experience drastically more in CoD then Halo, and I'd attribute it largely to that. I don't really have a problem with join in progress since I hate my team quitting and me being forced to finish out a match where I'm outnumbered 6:1 and there's five minutes left on the clock, but there's a flipside to that too.
It's like they're brothers
Biggest-Geek-Ever
Member
Forerunner Vision is the only thing there that made me go "no no no no," but I'll reserve judgement until I've seen it/used it. It sounds like something really tricky to balance.
It also precludes a good ranking system based on win/loss (which is the only way to really do it right). Fine with it in social, just give me an option to not have to deal with it.
Hadn't even considered the ranking thing a la Halo 3, but that's a good point as well. Unless this is disabled in Ranked play, the only other thing they could do is tie your rank to personal performance stats or something like that, but then that would just further reinforce the "bad" behavior I mentioned above about whoring K/D, etc.
mysticwhip
Banned
lol nice one
hopefully it is indeed limited to a "social" playlist
too much eslim
Member
joining in progress better just be for unranked games. In that case I will not see a problem. Kinda don't like the random spawns for weapons or power weapons at least because it messes up the flow. Well guess it doesn't matter MLG always fixes things.
They tried to tie it to personal performance with Reach's Arena rankings initially. Surprise: people were totally selfish and let their team die for the sake of their own score.
It's win/loss now and much better, but the damage was done.
The hardcore is by nature a minority. If those playlists aren't populated, they might as well not exist. See: Reach's Objective, Arena, and TU playlists.
-- Saw the scans. Looks pretty good, although I have no idea what that wierd Elite/Jackal hybrid thing is.
-- Halo hasn't been at the forefront of graphics for a long time but this is a very nice coat of paint on the Reach architecture. Really liking the Forerunner art style, hope it matches the awesome concept art!
-- Halo hasn't been at the forefront of graphics for a long time but this is a very nice coat of paint on the Reach architecture. Really liking the Forerunner art style, hope it matches the awesome concept art!
too much eslim
Member
Also didn't 343 say that there will still be classic halo gameplay list?
Foxy Fox 39
Banned
Its not a jackal hybrid. You're being thrown off by the graphic that they set the elite on.
Its an abstract spikey black design.
shinobi602
Member
Holy fuck looking at them now.
People are saying the Elites look bad? Eye check!???
People are saying the Elites look bad? Eye check!???
Bornstellar
Member
Elites definitely look more alien. Also, the skin suit that was ubiquitous before seems more optional/varied now. Personally I like it.
GarthVaderUK
Banned
343 can do faces! Love the Elites too.
7echnicolor
Member
I love the new Elites. Don't like the info about Firefight not returning though.