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[Suikoguy]

The Xbox has the consumer mindshare the PSP doesn't the Xbox 360 COULD fathomably overtake the PS3 if consumers aren't willing to pay $600.

The PSP cannot overtake the DS. It will always be distant second as the generation goes on.

If consumers are not willing to pay $500, which of course they will this fall, pay that AND 600 dollars. You are of course assuming it also won't drop in price next year either, but then again you hate sony and refuse to look at the whole picture anyway AND this thread is NOT about the PS3.

If you talking strictly about hardware then maybe, but there's virtually no software moving at all.

Er... really?

 

[sprsk]

So will we also be seeing "Sony owns the console market!" this holiday season too? How about the next?

We would more likely say "sony owns this holiday season" not "the market". Sony owns the console market right now. If the ps2 sells more than the wii and the 360 and the ps3 after launch, then i dont see how ps2 + ps3 is not relevant.

 

[Wollan]

The Xbox has the consumer mindshare the PSP doesn't

How did you come to this conclusion? It's sold half the amount of the total Xbox sales in just a ~year.
Not that they are comparable products anyhow.

 

[Archie]

Er... really?

in japan. psp and ds are dead even in the us and the psp has a healthy(?) lead in europe.

 

[Kapsama]

I don't see anything wrong with that statement. The PSP has a better marketshare compared to leader than Xbox ever had.

Some people are delusional.

So the PSP with 10+ million sold units to the DS' 16 million sold is doing worse than the Xboxs 25+ million sold units compared to the PS2's 100+ million?
According to what twisted logic?

Since when is 25% >> 60% ???

 

[CoolTrick]

The DS has been handing it to the PSP in Europe, Archie.

 

[Speevy]

Why are we comparing the PSP and Xbox again?

The PSP's success is at least half because Nintendo is incapable of putting any competitor with serious software support away. Sony can destroy a serious competitor.

 

[Jokeropia]

very well then count the GBAs that have been sold since the DS/PSP launch.

I AM counting current sales, genius.

oh and according to this logic PS2 has already won the 256 bit generation wars.

First of all, referring to the generations in bits is long since obsolete. Secondly, no, but the PS2 is (again going by the last six months of sales) the current stationary console market leader.

 

[ethelred]

Why are we comparing the PSP and Xbox again?

The PSP's success is at least half because Nintendo is incapable of putting any competitor with serious software support away. Sony can destroy a serious competitor.

How many serious competitors has Sony destroyed?

 

[Kapsama]

I AM counting current sales, genius.

Not so fast mister, you're only counting the last six months since it obviously suits your argument.

First of all, referring to the generations in bits is long since obsolete.
Secondly, no, but the PS2 is (again going by the last six months of sales) the current stationary console market leader.

First of all I know that no one refers to gens in bits anymore. But since you don't have a better way to differentiate between different gens short of typing out the names you should stick to the topic at hand.

Secondly what a nice step back.

 

[Kapsama]

How many serious competitors has Sony destroyed?

So Sega, Nintendo & MS aren't serious competitors anymore?

 

[Speevy]

How many serious competitors has Sony destroyed?

Well they just finished outselling one that had the largest non-Playstation library in history and more powerful hardware 5-1.

So...

 

[ethelred]

So Sega, Nintendo & MS aren't serious competitors anymore?

Sega destroyed itself long before Sony entered the picture.

Nintendo and Microsoft are serious competitors but, er, Sony hasn't exactly destroyed them. Nintendo in particular seems to be thriving at the moment.

 

[Speevy]

I don't mean the companies are in jeopardy. I mean the consoles could be called "destroyed" in the marketplace.

 

[ethelred]

I don't mean the companies are in jeopardy. I mean the consoles could be called "destroyed" in the marketplace.

In that case, I'd say the definition of your argument is a bit dishonest...

"The PSP's success is at least half because Nintendo is incapable of putting any competitor with serious software support away. Sony can destroy a serious competitor."

I would say that Nintendo's ability to completely dominate software support in previous handheld generations is PART of their ability to destroy serious competitors. SNK and Sega were most definitely serious competitors -- that Nintendo was able to rout them so thoroughly that they weren't even able to acquire what would be considered "serious software support" is hardly a knock against Nintendo's abilities in the handheld market.

 

[Jokeropia]

Not so fast mister, you're only counting the last six months since it obviously suits your argument.

No, in fact if I go back even more (and include sales from last year as well), the marketshare for PSP actually shrinks unless I stop precisely at the PSP launch month. I'll do like you said and count the (US) sales of all three systems since the launch of the DS:

GBA: 8,845,000
DS: 4,819,000
PSP: 4,717,000

PSP marketshare: ~26%.

(Numbers from vgcharts.org.)

 

[Bloodwake]

I'm sorry, but no one can convince me that the PSP is keeping up with the DS in this country.

Let's just put it this way. The last time I personally sold someone a PSP at GameStop, they bought it with a DS Lite. This was one out of at least six or seven handheld system purchases that day.

 

[Amir0x]

I'm sorry, but no one can convince me that the PSP is keeping up with the DS in this country.

Let's just put it this way. The last time I personally sold someone a PSP at GameStop, they bought it with a DS Lite. This was one out of at least six or seven handheld system purchases that day.

Well of course not NOW, DS Lite launch month was a gold mine for DS. But before that? **** yes. PSP had beat DS for many months straight.

 

[donny2112]

very well then count the GBAs that have been sold since the DS/PSP launch.

For the U.S.,

YTD (millions):
GBA - 0.88
PSP - 0.86
NDS - 0.78

Since PSP launch (in millions):
GBA - 4.7
PSP - 4.5
NDS - 3.1

Since NDS launch (in millions):
GBA - 8.4
NDS - 4.6
PSP - 4.5


Anyway you slice it, the GBA is still the best-selling current handheld in the U.S. through May 2006, and, yes, the PS2 is likely to be the best selling home console this year.

 

[The Take Out Bandit]

I'm sorry, but no one can convince me that the PSP is keeping up with the DS in this country.

They have Gamestop in Japan? Talk about ghetto. . . :lol

 

[thetrin]

Where the f**k is the Neo Geo Pocket/color love dudes?

I loved that console so muvch i bought two!!

Still the best console ever, because of SNK vs Capcom, and Metal Slug 1st mission.

 

[DDayton]

What I would like to see is worldwide sales of the Game Gear and the Game Boy, year by year, in order to see how they were competing. You can't count lifetime sales back and forth, as that only shows which system "won" -- we want to know what kind of competition existed, if even for a year.

If the PSP fizzles out by next year and the DS continues to sell for 5 more years, then the DS will be the overwhelming success, but that doesn't mean that the PSP wasn't healthy competition, at least for a while. The same with the GB and competing systems -- lifetime sales are less important for making future predictions than year to year sales comparisons are.

 

[mckmas8808]

Dunno if the PSP is the best competitor... Sega and other did well. In japan, was the wonderswan popular?

:lol :lol

Okay. Who could have possibly did better than Sony, whose name isn't Nintendo?

 

[D3VI0US]

The PSP has the potential to overtake the DS assuming Sony supports the hardware well beyond the DS hardware fun cause I don't think anyone would argue the DS is more future proof than PSP. Still Nintendo can and probably will easily swing their momentum from DS into momentum for their next handheld through understanding of the market, BC, and their franchises. Even then the software tie ratios will still be abysmal comparitively though.

 

[ethelred]

The PSP has the potential to overtake the DS

No, not really.

assuming Sony supports the hardware well beyond the DS hardware fun cause I don't think anyone would argue the DS is more future proof than PSP.

I think it'll remain a viable competitor within the market for as long as Nintendo wishes it to. There's nothing that would allow the PSP to inherently last longer. If software support shifts even more in the future to the DS, and if Nintendo continues supporting it with 1st party software, that's all that's really needed.

Still Nintendo can and probably will easily swing their momentum from DS into momentum for their next handheld through understanding of the market, BC, and their franchises. Even then the software tie ratios will still be abysmal comparitively though.

DS tie ratios are just fine. What are you talking about?

 

[heavenly]

The PSP has the potential to overtake the DS assuming Sony supports the hardware well beyond the DS hardware fun cause I don't think anyone would argue the DS is more future proof than PSP. Still Nintendo can and probably will easily swing their momentum from DS into momentum for their next handheld through understanding of the market, BC, and their franchises. Even then the software tie ratios will still be abysmal comparitively though.

I beg to differ. As an extension of the Wii, I see the DS just as future proof as the PSP, if not more. Ultimately, it depends on healthy software support from Nintendo 1st parties and key third parties to determine whether or not the platform lacks long term viability.

 

[Striek]

How is it an extension of the Wii? Curious statement.

Anyway, yeah PSP is, and I can't wait to see how this 'war' progresses.

If software support shifts even more in the future to the DS

It hasn't shifted as of now, so thats more than a bit misleading.

DS tie ratios are just fine. What are you talking about?

Both PSP+DS have pretty poor tie ratios.

 

[cvxfreak]

The PSP has the potential to overtake the DS assuming Sony supports the hardware well beyond the DS hardware fun cause I don't think anyone would argue the DS is more future proof than PSP. Still Nintendo can and probably will easily swing their momentum from DS into momentum for their next handheld through understanding of the market, BC, and their franchises. Even then the software tie ratios will still be abysmal comparitively though.

Someone call JoshuaJSlone and have him tell us the number of weeks it'll take PSP to surpass DS in Japan and when that'll be!

 

[D3VI0US]

I beg to differ. As an extension of the Wii, I see the DS just as future proof as the PSP, if not more. Ultimately, it depends on healthy software support from Nintendo 1st parties and key third parties to determine whether or not the platform lacks long term viability.

I love how your argument is dependant on Wii's success, not to say it won't be a factor but I think you got it backwards. DS will help sell Wii not the other way around. If you really think about it the only thing PSP lacks is quality handheld software support. If that issue clears up the PSP is hands down better hardware and has more useful functionality. If the DS is only around for 6 years and the PSP is around for 8 or 9 it's possible by no means would it be a winner just pointing out it's possible.

 

[Tarazet]

Yes, the PSP has been Nintendo's best competition. The Game Gear was a basically good system that was let down by tons and tons of substandard ports; by comparison, the PSP's ports have been mostly very good, and it's the DS that has a ton of unplayable turds.

 

[sprsk]

ugh.

 

[Chris Michael]

The PSP has the potential to overtake the DS assuming Sony supports the hardware well beyond the DS hardware fun cause I don't think anyone would argue the DS is more future proof than PSP.

May I ask what you mean by "future proof"?

Also... this thread was probably a bad idea. Google = your friend btw...

 

[Gearharaden]

Biggidy bam!

 

[Zeed]

The PSP has the potential to overtake the DS

the psp has a healthy(?) lead in europe.

 

[Dragona Akehi]

Hey guys, this thread sucks! What is it with putting DS and PSP in the same topic? GWARG.