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[abstract alien]

Yes Nintendo could have made things clearer by showing off the console itself more and not focusing so much on the controller.

But surely no one could be stupid enough to buy the Wii U Pad and expect it to work with their Wii? The price must be a pretty big sign right?

If it's sold separately on launch day, then not really. WiiFit has a pretty hefty price tag as well. I mean, "Fit" has about as much weight as "U". I wouldn't put it past anyone, even though it is stupid.

 

[Bgamer90]

Yes Nintendo could have made things clearer by showing off the console itself more and not focusing so much on the controller.

But surely no one could be stupid enough to buy the Wii U Pad and expect it to work with their Wii? The price must be a pretty big sign right?

Don't know. People have spent $150+ on rock band/guitar hero packages....

 

[LOCK]

I don't see problem. Jimmy clearly knew it was a new console, but was acting jokingly.

 

[Bgamer90]

I don't see problem. Jimmy clearly knew it was a new console, but was acting jokingly.

In his description of it in the beginning of the show, it didn't seem like he was joking around.

 

[kittens]

I lol'd hard when Reggie said "It's Nintendo -- it does everything!"

Riiiiiight, cause that's the reputation Nintendo has.

 

[udivision]

I lol'd hard when Reggie said "It's Nintendo -- it does everything!"

Riiiiiight, cause that's the reputation Nintendo has.

he didn't say "only" so it's fine... lol

 

[SlaughterX]

"Come on, it's Nintendo, it does everything!"

Lol, so I will be able to control my TV with the tablet ehh? Guess I don't need that Logitech Harmony One after all... *sarcasm

 

[gamergirly]

Yes Nintendo could have made things clearer by showing off the console itself more and not focusing so much on the controller.

But surely no one could be stupid enough to buy the Wii U Pad and expect it to work with their Wii? The price must be a pretty big sign right?

If a random person only looked at the price wo really seeing the demos currently in the store or having a knowledgeable person with them, it would make more sense if they walked up to the counter asking if the wii u was a tablet or a console AND a tablet. That's more realistic to me. It just being a new controller would be strange given the price tag and interface

 

[JazzmanZ]

Wow, and I thought politics were a three ring circus, this is just getting ridiculous now.

I can see the next thread now.

"Old lady buys Wii U game, mistakes it for 3DS game, is Nintendo doomed?"

 

[Skiesofwonder]

Wasn't being hypocritical. Hypocritical would have been be saying that to him yet saying something like, "Since my friend didn't like it, no one will."

I really hope you are playing with me since this is getting a bit crazy (lol).

Wow. Yeah that's totally different then saying "Jimmy Fallon thought it was an add-on, therefore there is a wide confusion with the WiiU." You are beyond reasoning with, you can't even understand the simple meaning of... three different words now.

I'm outta here.

 

[Shahed]

If it's sold separately on launch day, then not really. WiiFit has a pretty hefty price tag as well. I mean, "Fit" has about as much weight as "U". I wouldn't put it past anyone, even though it is stupid.

So two controllers are confirmed? But wouldn't having multiple streams affect performance? Not sure how viable it would be.

 

[Demoncarnotaur]

I lol'd hard when Reggie said "It's Nintendo -- it does everything!"

Riiiiiight, cause that's the reputation Nintendo has.

He forgot to add "except for multi-platform games" at the end of that statement.

 

[abstract alien]

So two controllers are confirmed? But wouldn't having multiple streams affect performance? Not sure how viable it would be.

Yep, two controllers have been confirmed. It does take a hit on performance, but I'm not sure on the factual details. I read a rumor about games automatically being 30fps with two streams, but I have no idea if it's true. Seems like something like that would be solely dependent on a game by game basis.

 

[gamergirly]

Wow, and I thought politics were a three ring circus, this is just getting ridiculous now.

I can see the next thread now.

"Old lady buys Wii U game, mistakes it for 3DS game, is Nintendo doomed?"

Come come. We must entertain those who were REALLY confused by Jimmy. Hint: they were not the general consumer

 

[Nekofrog]

There is a reason why they didn't go for this direction.

incompetency?

 

[Bgamer90]

Wow. Yeah that's totally different then saying "Jimmy Fallon thought it was an add-on, therefore there is a wide confusion with the WiiU." You are beyond reasoning with, you can't even understand the simple meaning of... three different words now.

I'm outta here.

I never said there was a wide confusion. I said I can see a good number of people being confused based on what Jimmy did as well as other similar examples in the past (some of which I've seen first hand) if Nintendo doesn't change things (as I've said previously).

I swear it's like you guys don't even read and start arguments just for the sake of doing so. Don't see what's so hard to understand.

 

[Bgamer90]

Wow, and I thought politics were a three ring circus, this is just getting ridiculous now.

I can see the next thread now.

"Old lady buys Wii U game, mistakes it for 3DS game, is Nintendo doomed?"

Yes since that sort of confusion is as understandable as the confusion a good number are having in terms of the Wii U due to how Nintendo has been showing it off as well as the name of the console itself.

:|


...Also, no one has stated that "Nintendo is doomed".

 

[Shahed]

Yep, two controllers have been confirmed. It does take a hit on performance, but I'm not sure on the factual details. I read a rumor about games automatically being 30fps with two streams, but I have no idea if it's true. Seems like something like that would be solely dependent on a game by game basis.

Well I guess it won't affect me personally so much since single player is all I really care about, and I never really play multiplayer.

I'm assuming when friends come over and we play Mario Kart or something it'll be with the Wii U Pad Pro.

 

[Terrell]

Don't know. People have spent $150+ on rock band/guitar hero packages....

Difference is that you can buy a Rock Band package separate from a console. Everything we've seen and heard suggests the same will not be said of the Gamepad. Confusion ends immediately there.

 

[Glass Joe]

I never said there was a wide confusion. I said I can see a good number of people being confused based on what Jimmy did as well as other similar examples in the past (some of which I've seen first hand) if Nintendo doesn't changes things (as I've said previously).

I swear it's like you guys don't even read and start arguments just for the sake of doing so. Don't see what's so hard to understand.

I agree with ya and I'm not sure why Skies is taking such a strong stance. However, I don't think Jimmy announcing to his viewers that it's an add-on is what the problem truly is. Most who were at all interested probably checked out the segment and understood the correction.

The problem is that a "regular guy" like Jimmy and a "regular outlet" like CNN are confused in the first place. So if these professional media outlets are getting mixed up, it stands to reason other non-gamers would as well. That's where the problem lies. If non-gaming media is making that mistake, why wouldn't other consumers also make that mistake once they hear about Wii U?

It's probably a good thing that the GamePad won't be sold separately, at least at first. If the Wii gets sold for around the same price as the U's gamepad, it will only muddy the water further. That way if someone for some reason does buy a Wii U thinking it's only a very expensive controller, no harm no foul 'cause all they have to do is hook the new console up and all their Wii stuff is compatible.

 

[VerTiGo]

I think for the next home console after Wii U they should go with "N7"!

 

[Bgamer90]

Difference is that you can buy a Rock Band package separate from a console. Everything we've seen and heard suggests the same will not be said of the Gamepad. Confusion ends immediately there.

Heh, if it ends there, why are people still confused?

It's impossible to be confused and/or misinterpret an item before going into the store to get what you think that item will be?

The problem is that a "regular guy" like Jimmy and a "regular outlet" like CNN are confused in the first place. So if these professional media outlets are getting mixed up, it stands to reason other non-gamers would as well. That's where the problem lies. If non-gaming media is making that mistake, why wouldn't other consumers also make that mistake once they hear about Wii U?

Exactly. That's what I've been saying. My argument (I guess) was never about Jimmy making people get confused due to what he said. It's was about people being confused period.

It's probably a good thing that the GamePad won't be sold separately, at least at first. If the Wii gets sold for around the same price as the U's gamepad, it will only muddy the water further. That way if someone for some reason does buy a Wii U thinking it's only a very expensive controller, no harm no foul 'cause all they have to do is hook the new console up and all their Wii stuff is compatible.

Yeah it is a good thing that it won't be sold separately during the first few months (if that is true). It would only cause more possible confusion.

 

[Agent Unknown]

What other kind of evidence would you prefer for an issue involving people's impressions of something? A scientific survey (that won't happen)?

I think this happening on Jimmy Fallon and on CNN is pretty indicative of a branding problem, but I guess it doesn't matter because without a scientific inquiry into the issue we can't possibly assume anything.

What's with this sarcastic "scientific inquiry" hyperbole? So basically we have two extreme options here as a reliable barometer to gauge public reaction: The incompetence of a CNN media piece and Jimmy Fallon's blooper last night or a "scientific survey" on a ton of people? How about when Reggie had no problem quickly correcting Fallon that it's a new system and then the demo of the Ninja star game and Zombie U which Jimmy and the audience both enjoyed and seemed to react well to? That also seems like a good piece of reaction based evidence to go on that doesn't require a "scientific survey." But yeah, CNN is super reliable and the whole audience was probably paid to react in a positive way so all we have are "scientific studies" right?

However, I don't think Jimmy announcing to his viewers that it's an add-on is what the problem truly is. Most who were at all interested probably checked out the segment and understood the correction.

EXACTLY.

 

[AzaK]

So two controllers are confirmed? But wouldn't having multiple streams affect performance? Not sure how viable it would be.

Yep, two controllers have been confirmed. It does take a hit on performance, but I'm not sure on the factual details. I read a rumor about games automatically being 30fps with two streams, but I have no idea if it's true. Seems like something like that would be solely dependent on a game by game basis.

I'm imagining that if you were playing with two controllers the console will split the bandwidth to stream the GamePad images. I don't think it will affect the actual game's framerate assume the console can handle rendering three different scenes. I.e. when the GamePads are used primarily for inventory etc. If however the console is having to render three complex scenes then the entire game might have to drop to 30 out of necessity like most games are these days. In that case it won't necessarily mean the GamePads drop to 15.

 

[Bgamer90]

What's with this sarcastic "scientific inquiry" hyperbole? So basically we have two extreme options here as a reliable barometer to gauge public reaction: The incompetence of a CNN media piece and Jimmy Fallon's blooper last night or a "scientific survey" on a ton of people? How about when Reggie had no problem quickly correcting Fallon that it's a new system and then the demo of the Ninja star game and Zombie U which Jimmy and the audience both enjoyed and seemed to react well to? That also seems like a good piece of evidence to go on. But yeah, CNN is super reliable and the whole audience was probably paid to react in a positive way so all we have are "scientific studies" right?

The last quoted post by StateofMind was a joke (at least I'm pretty sure it was).

Also, "quickly correcting"? Again, the segment with Reggie was about 30 minutes after Jimmy's "blooper".

Also, no one has ever said that there aren't a good number of people who are looking forward to the Wii U.

EXACTLY.

Did you read what Glass Joe said in the other sentences after that one? Do you agree with that as well?

 

[Agent Unknown]

Also, "quickly correcting"? Again, the segment with Reggie was about 30 minutes after Jimmy's "blooper".

<snip> Yawn. And more inane stuff about how we're not 'getting the discussion right' or not "properly" interpreting things in your thread in YOUR opinion.

 

[plufim]

Also, "quickly correcting"? Again, the segment with Reggie was about 30 minutes after Jimmy's "blooper"

I don't think Reggie would have gotten away with crashing the set immediately, yelling "IT'S A NEW CONSOLE YOU FOOL!"

Also: story that someone on TV makes an error about WiiU, 30 minutes later is corrected - 18 pages.

Yet: story that WiiU tablet screen latency is FASTER than actual HD TVs - 4 pages.

Oh NeoGAF :3

 

[Agent Unknown]

I don't think Reggie would have gotten away with crashing the set immediately, yelling "IT'S A NEW CONSOLE YOU FOOL!"

LOL That would be amazing. Theories that Reggie was finally cracking under the pressure at E3 proven. JIMMY! could have been the new GEOFF!

 

[GloveSlap]

I like to laugh at uninformed customers as much as the next guy, but I don't blame them in this case. The Wii U and 3DS pretty much have the most confusing branding of any systems up to this point. Even to my trained eye the Wii U looks looks virtually identical to a Wii and the way Nintendo talks about it makes it feel like the controller is an add-on. Then there is the name problem. At least the 3DS name is natural and kind of clever, so I can at least understand why they wanted to go with it.

They will be lucky if Walmart and Best Buy don't pepper the Wii U games amongst the Wii Games when they put them on the shelves. I remember that being a problem with the 3DS.

 

[Bgamer90]

Yawn. And more stuff about how we're not 'getting the discussion right' in YOUR opinion.

Or possibly me just simply replying to what you said.

You know... something people do on message boards.

Find it funny how you don't actually reply back to what I said and instead continue on saying practically the same thing.

I don't think Reggie would have gotten away with crashing the set immediately, yelling "IT'S A NEW CONSOLE YOU FOOL!"

Haha. Hey, I wasn't the one who said "quickly corrected".

Also: story that someone on TV makes an error about WiiU, 30 minutes later is corrected - 18 pages.

Yet: story that WiiU tablet screen latency is FASTER than actual HD TVs - 4 pages.

Oh NeoGAF :3

I'm guessing the latter thread is newer right?

Plus this thread moved on from the "blooper" and became a discussion about the confusion of the Wii U and possible ways to fix the confusion.

 

[Terrell]

Heh, if it ends there, why are people still confused?

It's impossible to be confused and/or misinterpret an item before going into the store to get what you think that item will be?

No, I'm saying it's totally irrelevant once they arrive at the store, as all confusion IMMEDIATELY dissipates. Any "confusion" that happens prior to a product actually being available to purchase doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

Also, as said earlier, marketing of the system literally JUST started. If anyone is still confused by the time they're able to roll into a store and actually BUY the thing, then they're terrible consumers who don't look into the products they purchase, especially considering the price tag of such a purchase.

 

[plufim]

I'm guessing the latter thread is newer right?

Nope, both from yesterday.

It's less a comment about Nintendo and GAF and more about negativity and GAF, or hell, negativity and humans.

Haha. Hey, I wasn't the one who said "quickly corrected".

Yours was the most recent quote, and I just loved the visual of Reggie smashing through the set wall to correct Jimmy immediately.

 

[Dion Blaster]

For the first time I am actually convinced Nintendo has a naming problem. I never realized that Wii U fits right in with Wii Sports, Wii Play, Wii Fit, Wii Resort. All while pushing away the hardcore by keeping Wii in the name. It's like the worst of both worlds.

Way to fuck this up Nitnendo. At least I'll be able to buy it for cheap quicker than I thought (and I have always intended on buying it).

 

[plufim]

Also, as said earlier, marketing of the system literally JUST started.

And this is a salient point - maybe we should reserve judgement on Nintendo until after they've rolled out the big guns.

 

[Agent Unknown]

This thread is gonna look sooooo stupid next year.

 

[Sattori]

Abandon SHIP ..before release?

 

[masud]

It's gonna be interesting to check back on this thread next year.

It looks pretty stupid now.

Edit: damn your stelth edit!

 

[Bgamer90]

No, I'm saying it's totally irrelevant once they arrive at the store, as all confusion IMMEDIATELY dissipates. Any "confusion" that happens prior to a product actually being available to purchase doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

Also, as said earlier, marketing of the system literally JUST started. If anyone is still confused by the time they're able to roll into a store and actually BUY the thing, then they're terrible consumers who don't look into the products they purchase, especially considering the price tag of such a purchase.

But again, if Nintendo keeps on marketing the Wii U in it's current fashion, giving most of the limelight to the Gamepad (tablet) controller instead of the Wii U console, I can see a good number being confused.

Nope, both from yesterday.

It's less a comment about Nintendo and GAF and more about negativity and GAF, or hell, negativity and humans.

I see. You are right about negativity.

Yours was the most recent quote, and I just loved the visual of Reggie smashing through the set wall to correct Jimmy immediately.

Yeah that would have been amazing.

Even if he just ran out and said it... that would have been amazing as well.

This thread is gonna look sooooo stupid next year.

You time traveled?

We shall see but like I said before, if Nintendo keeps on showing the Wii U in the same fashion, I wouldn't be surprised to see people being confused.

Unlike most people, I can admit to being wrong on a prediction. So I will definitely admit to being wrong if there isn't anymore stories or cases of people being confused during its launch period.

It looks pretty stupid now.

Awesome post!

 

[Terrell]

This thread is gonna look sooooo stupid next year.

Internet commentary on unreleased products usually does look stupid EVERY single time. Just a few examples I can recall off the top of my head:

Vita - "Wow, look at that tech for $250! 3DS is dead as soon as this thing hits!!"

Wii - "you'll be able to walk into any store and buy one at launch!"

DS - "WTF is this 2 screen bullshit?! Looks like a piece of shit, will not buy"

iPhone - "lol only Apple fanboys would buy this thing, it doesn't stand a chance against current market leaders"

I really could go on forever.

 

[Cheesemeister]

I await the incoming flood of videos from local news stations reporting on the new Wii "accessory" in the days and weeks leading up to launch.

 

[Bgamer90]

Internet commentary on unreleased products usually does look stupid EVERY single time. Just a few examples I can recall off the top of my head:

Vita - "Wow, look at that tech for $250! 3DS is dead as soon as this thing hits!!"

Wii - "you'll be able to walk into any store and buy one at launch!"

DS - "WTF is this 2 screen bullshit?! Looks like a piece of shit, will not buy"

iPhone - "lol only Apple fanboys would buy this thing, it doesn't stand a chance against current market leaders"

I really could go on forever.

Don't really think what is being stated in here is comparable. There has been many good arguments about it that are pretty sound. If things end up being different (hopefully due to Nintendo changing things up in advertising), then so be it.

I love my 3DS but even I could admit to their being confusion especially after seeing pics of the 3DS and its games being on the same shelf as DSi XL and DSi and apparently, there was confusion.

Don't see what's so different here.

 

[abstract alien]

Internet commentary on unreleased products usually does look stupid EVERY single time. Just a few examples I can recall off the top of my head:

Vita - "Wow, look at that tech for $250! 3DS is dead as soon as this thing hits!!"

Wii - "you'll be able to walk into any store and buy one at launch!"

DS - "WTF is this 2 screen bullshit?! Looks like a piece of shit, will not buy"

iPhone - "lol only Apple fanboys would buy this thing, it doesn't stand a chance against current market leaders"

I really could go on forever.

Dreamcast - "Sega is back for good."

 

[Agent Unknown]

You time traveled?

Yeah, you got me. At first I thought, "Ya know, maybe I'm being a little too harsh." But then I looked at the Sports Almanac, hopped back in the Delorean and again declared this thread stupid for the coming year.

We shall see but like I said before, if Nintendo keeps on showing the Wii U in the same fashion, I wouldn't be surprised to see people being confused.

If they keep showing it like they did last night when Fallon had a lot of fun with the Ninja star game and Zombie U with lots of positive reaction from the audience?

Unlike most people, I can admit to being wrong on a prediction. So I will definitely admit to being wrong if there isn't anymore stories or cases of people being confused during its launch period.

And I can admit to being wrong too but if the system sells really well despite all this anecdotal stuff, prepare for an EPIC I told you so, as I'd expect the same.

 

[abstract alien]

Don't see what's so different here.

I think people are associating you stating a concern as you saying "nintendo is going to fail with this because of said concern." Why anyone would think you are pointing in that direction, I have no idea...outside of "neogaf dude".

 

[Agent Unknown]

It looks pretty stupid now.

Edit: damn your stelth edit!

Don't worry, it's Back.

 

[Agent Unknown]

Internet commentary on unreleased products usually does look stupid EVERY single time. Just a few examples I can recall off the top of my head:

Vita - "Wow, look at that tech for $250! 3DS is dead as soon as this thing hits!!"

Wii - "you'll be able to walk into any store and buy one at launch!"

DS - "WTF is this 2 screen bullshit?! Looks like a piece of shit, will not buy"

iPhone - "lol only Apple fanboys would buy this thing, it doesn't stand a chance against current market leaders"

I really could go on forever.

Thread destroyed and....

Don't really think what is being stated in here is comparable. There has been many good arguments about it that are pretty sound. If things end up being different (hopefully due to Nintendo changing things up in advertising), then so be it.

I love my 3DS but even I could admit to their being confusion especially after seeing pics of the 3DS and its games being on the same shelf as DSi XL and DSi and apparently, there was confusion.

Don't see what's so different here.

....ability to be taken seriously destroyed.

 

[Terrell]

Don't really think what is being stated in here is comparable. There has been many good arguments about it that are pretty sound. If things end up being different (hopefully due to Nintendo changing things up in advertising), then so be it.

I love my 3DS but even I could admit to their being confusion especially after seeing pics of the 3DS and its games being on the same shelf as DSi XL and DSi and apparently, there was confusion.

Don't see what's so different here.

People thought the arguments made to back the statements I've shown were completely sound, too. Some even went to great lengths (multiple-paged articles in the press and multi-paragraph posts on message boards including GAF) to explain how things pointed that way.

Confusion regarding the 3DS had more to do with the fact that Nintendo had done several DS revisions to lead people to the assumption that 3DS was another mere revision.

Dreamcast - "Sega is back for good."

Forgot that one, that was pretty good, too. As much as I loved my Dreamcast, I knew it was just a matter of time before something went horribly wrong.

 

[Touch]

Dreamcast - "Sega is back for good."

straight to the heart

 

[Oxirane]

I'm sure there will be little confusion after Nintendo reveal the launch date and price and start the marketing machine in which the majority of potential buyers will be hearing about the console.
I believe the price and launch date will help them get the message across that it will be a new console. Even talking about backwards compatibility may help differentiate it from the Wii.

As a side note: This happened with the Wii as well. If I remember correctly the people from 1UP Yours (specifically Luke) were convinced the Wii remote was just a GameCube peripheral even after the launch and were adamant no one would buy it. (Note: The previous comment was made in jest)

 

[Agent Unknown]

Forgot that one, that was pretty good, too. As much as I loved my Dreamcast, I knew it was just a matter of time before something went horribly wrong.

I really need to get a VGA adaptor for my Dreamcast one of these days and fire up SA, Ikaruga, ShenMue, Giga Wing and Jet Grind Radio.

Edit: And a bunch of other amazing games not in that list.