Dynopia said:
Using LTD install base as a measure is for fanboys.
Its less about LTD in itself than the ongoing sales that contribute to that figure, which shows brand strength, market penetration, and Cash flow which are like kinda important in judging how a business is doing.
You show an upside on these things and its a lot easier to secure investment during difficult times.
Its not fanboyism dude, its the reality of doing business. People care about what's happening now, and what's likely to transpire tomorrow. That's the bottom line.
REMEMBER CITADEL said:
The flow of cash is currently out of Sony's pockets. Are you even aware of the thread topic?
So you can prove categorically that this deficit, which didn't show up on their quarterly sheets for the unit isn't a one-off writedown on, say, buying out Ericcson from their joint partnership?
You don't know, you're just assuming, so back off with the passive-aggression thankyou.
Taurus said:
Sony lost every penny they made with PS1, PS2 and PSP during PS3 era. Talk about a success!
No. Just no.
The original assertion about how much money Sony lost on launching PS3 was made in the press by David Perry (Legendary "Space Bastard"*, former CEO of defunct dev Shiny Entertainment, and now head-honcho of Gaikai), so it wasn't actually from an accredited analyst or even anyone in the financial sector. It was a pithy quote, which has taken on a life of its own over the years.
What amazes me is that anyone is stupid enough to finger the PS3 *specifically* for such huge losses. I mean seriously, where do you think the money is actually going?
PS3 hardware hasn't been sold at a loss since 2009, and even if it was, how much do you think they must be losing per unit to kill any equity from ALL associated software and services revenue from which has improved YoY every year since launch.
Do you think, maybe, just maybe, that you need to SPEND MONEY TO MAKE MONEY? Such as building network infrastructure, acquiring studios, researching and launching new platforms under the SCE umbrella, stuff that is only going to show profit in the long-term.
Its called INVESTMENT.
You want a rational, meaningful, discussion, define the scope of the topic under consideration (are we talking product, platform, business unit, overall corporate state?) and stick to that subject with data in hand. You can't pick-and-choose factoids from all over in order to suit your argument without looking like an ignoramus.
You accusing me of "spin" is laughable.
*UK insiders of a certain age will know this reference, its not a random slam.