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Hideki Kamiya on PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale: "It's just a ripoff."
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Ironically there are many opinions that it did not copy smash enough.
Why the hell are people so butt-hurt if anyone called ASBR a rip-off? For the months leading up to its reveal the rumor was even "Sony Smash Bros in the works." Sony loves to copy and imitate, it's what they do. Why does it offend you now because of one game? Are these people the same ones that are saying the Move was a complete rip-off of the Wii remote?
Never saw LBP Kart racing either. Holy shit that's not even trying to hide how blatantly shallow it is in its imitation.
Never saw LBP Kart racing either. Holy shit that's not even trying to hide how blatantly shallow it is in its imitation.
Fair enough. That's two of you then
Oh come on.
Boss Man
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Smash Bros. was such a great and creative game that it basically spawned an entire sub genre. I mean, the concept of an accessible mascot brawler should not stay confined to Nintendo. There are many different directions to take this kind of game and many different contexts to put it in. I don't think people are denying similarities, but too many people are looking at "platforms, mascots, fighting" and writing it off automatically. These are two legitimately different games.
I didn't either until I played it, which is why I think a lot of people are here defending the game. Beta codes were given out on GAF and the game happens to be incredibly fun and satisfying. It is genuinely a different experience from SSB, and they co-exist in two distinctly different (and very positive) spots in my brain.
It probably will, which is a shame because despite people's impulses it genuinely does not deserve that. It branched off to do its own thing and it does it very well.
fan content.....
eighty(one)
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My first impressions/glance at PSASBR: Sony Smash Bros. Ever since, I've had little to no interest in the game. I can, at least, applaud Sony's attempt to create a showcase for their stable of stars. I don't applaud taking liberal inspiration/cashing in on a resemblance to a well known series, or that series' mechanics/gameplay/art style.
I've generally always viewed Sony's roots as the launch pad for third party series, moreso than first party. PS3 and later PS2 have seen Sony really stepping up and embracing new, creative IP's. I also see current Sony as very artistic and I've grown to admire that about them. That said, I'd have reacted and had more interest in a Mascot showcase fighter/brawler - if it were more tailored to Sony's image vs. Nintendo.
I don't see PSASBR molded in Sony's image. It doesn't connect with the current association of Sony. It seems false to me. Like trying to be a jack of all/master of none/chameleon.
As a fan of Sony, maybe a more flattering homage model for their game - Comine Soul Calibur + Dead or Alive. Arena and multi level based 3D fighter, with a more mature tone would have probably been a better fit. Image wise, for Sony and for the mascots and series' they're trying to represent.
Just my opinion.
I've generally always viewed Sony's roots as the launch pad for third party series, moreso than first party. PS3 and later PS2 have seen Sony really stepping up and embracing new, creative IP's. I also see current Sony as very artistic and I've grown to admire that about them. That said, I'd have reacted and had more interest in a Mascot showcase fighter/brawler - if it were more tailored to Sony's image vs. Nintendo.
I don't see PSASBR molded in Sony's image. It doesn't connect with the current association of Sony. It seems false to me. Like trying to be a jack of all/master of none/chameleon.
As a fan of Sony, maybe a more flattering homage model for their game - Comine Soul Calibur + Dead or Alive. Arena and multi level based 3D fighter, with a more mature tone would have probably been a better fit. Image wise, for Sony and for the mascots and series' they're trying to represent.
Just my opinion.
blitzcloud
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I just hope "ripoffs" continue to exist. I mean, thats how we got Crash Team Racing right? And I think it outdid the "ripped off" game, MK64 by a wide margin.
LBP kart racing a ripoff... of modnation racers.
LBP kart racing a ripoff... of modnation racers.
Sony is not in a position to be getting rid of games on their platform. As for ripoff or not, well I guess it kind of is but I don't really care unless Nintendo has a problem with it.
If you consider 4-players on screen-mascot-party fighting game with items + scenarios based on console franchises + directional-based attacks, a genre, ok. The thing is, it borrows so many things from Smash that it's hard for it to come unnoticed. The "party-fighting" game genre is there, no need to copy the execution.
Because he was asked?
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Retro_
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Right and what's changed here?
He's still working on a game for a large publisher based on pre-existing IPs
Why are people trusting what he's saying this time around? Is he working for free??
I know the guy's history and think he's a really cool, knowledgeable and passionate guy. Always glad to see him get on the mic and commentate on streams.
but I mean we just went through this exact same manipulative "have it both ways" competitive and party game thing with SFxT. So I just think it's funny that people are buying into it again just because there was a playable build at EVO.
but I mean whatever it's not my money.
Those articles are great btw. Completely different in tone from Capcom CM (and Sony All-Stars developer) Seth Killian
Use your brain.Fair enough. That's two of you then
Fair enough. That's two of you then
Hilarity.
Yeah, this is me
I love Nintendo and Sony, I love Smash Bros., and I'm thrilled this is being made, and it's good and plays different.
Make that threeFair enough. That's two of you then
blitzcloud
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I didnt want to go so deep, but fighting genre games share pretty much the same core, with a different execution and details.
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thepotatoman
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Its not so much the people saying "I don't want to play Sony Smash because i like real Smash and Smash is good enough for me". Its the people saying "i am boycotting this game because what Sony is doing is morally wrong". Kindof like exactly what Kamiya said that started this whole topic. That is where the argument gets very heated.
staticneuron
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I find them insane. I would have preferred a 1 on 1, 2d mascot fighter but I guess the creators were going for a "party" vibe, so they chose arena style.
The fighting mechanics and style are one thing. The theme is another. It is incorrect to assume that the theme makes it a genre. Powerstone, Battle arena D.O.N, Naruto Gekitou ninja Taisen and many others are examples of arena fighters (powerstone releasing less than a month from SSB) and the themed stages should be a no brainier. In every fighting game, characters have their own stages or arenas.
He feels more strongly about rip offs than you do. Nothing wrong with that.
ReTweet.
Chie Satonaka
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The only thing better than this guy's tweets are some of the responses in this thread.
Man, I'm glad I didn't read this one at work. Way too much fun.
Please, continue.
Man, I'm glad I didn't read this one at work. Way too much fun.
Please, continue.
The thing is, they have already been Smash bros 'rip offs' in the genre that Smash Brothers started, it's just that PSABR is the first effort that matches the kind of investment you see in Smash Brothers.
I feel like many people, including the subject of this lovely thread, seem to completely ignore this fact.
It's probably Sony's biggest title this holiday, it will sell to the dedicated PS audience at least (I'm predicting LPB1/2/Infamous franchise like debut).
You Are Viewtiful
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Short for retweet. It can either be for quoting+responding or agreeing with what someone says. In this case it's responding.
Ragingnight
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For the record. SFxT without assist gems is fundamentally a very good game. It is one of the few (if only) fighters this gen that rewards footsies with no viable comeback factor. The problem with SFxT is just cake-layered full of shitty problems. Its not a coincidence that many top players claimed SFxT to be the best fighting game ever early in beta.
Even if you watched some of the interviews, you could tell he was like "yeahhh fuck the gems, and instead pay attention to this".
Lastly I trust people like Clockwork, and Ed Ma as well. If Seth left capcom, it means there were things he strongly disagreed with because working at CAPCOM was his dream job despite already being an university professor.
Use your sense of humor. That's why there was a
Aaaaand I'm out.
Cool, I guess you don't feel like defending the broad generalization you made.
ShockingAlberto
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thepotatoman
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There's a little bit wrong with it when he makes his own game inspired by certain Nintendo games. But if you are going to hate on every platformer that isn't mario, and every fighting game that isn't Street Fighter, then yeah you can totally hate on this game.
This is so true. Also, No More Heroes was a total rip-off of God Hand.
I'm so sick of all these developers ripping off their own games
So everything after the @whatever is basically a quote? Holy shit Twitter makes so much more sense now. I always thought those were responses, not quotes.
But it's only 9 pages :\
TheBaronOfNA
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Except that he commits some of them. (Okami)
LumpOfCole
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It's only 9 pages for the 100-posts-per-page Master Race.
I'm deeply saddened that we're likely not going to see Bayonetta ever again - I didn't like the style of the character all that much, but that was the best Japanese game I've played this generation and I would love a sequel.
Hey hey, okami is a Ripoff now?
You know why >_>
Heh yeah
lol people getting their panties in a bunch because he called the game a rip off.Anyway.. i don't think it is.I think sony taking this step will bring bigger recognition to this "genre" There are multiple games that follow the SB style.
Boss Man
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Okami is less of one than PS All-Stars is, but I think people are saying it just to highlight that fact that it's ok to make a game inspired by a great game so long as you go in your own direction with it.
Okami does it more visually, which I guess is easier for people to digest.
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thepotatoman
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No it was inspired by Zelda, but certainly worth its spot in the market, just like PSAS is inspired by Smash Bros, but has earned a spot in the market with plenty of key gameplay changes that makes the game better.
But if you are going to call PSAS a "ripoff", then yes Okami is a "ripoff" too.
TheBaronOfNA
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Only in Kamiya's logic.
OldJadedGamer
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Good luck doing 100 posts per page on a phone.
"It's a rip off"
"No it isn't"
"Yes it is"
"It was inspired"
"<3 Kamiya"
"People are crazy"
Pretty much the whole thread
lol, poor guy
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thepotatoman
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Well ripoff isn't the worst word when you say they "throw their morals away".
People are starting to use the "Bayonetta is a ripoff of DMC" line unironically now so I think we're through the looking glass.
TheBaronOfNA
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This.
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