DragonSworne
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Is it really 6 hours long????
Always-honest
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Is that (actual) fact or strong conviction? Cause i wouldn't know. But i want to hear exactly what he says;P.
Spieler Eins
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Not the conference itself obviously. Afterwards, journalists will be able to play the games themselves for a couple of hours. It looks pretty much to be the same kind of event held for 3DS launch, that had zero new game announcements too.
DragonSworne
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Seems like Iwata agrees that there needs to be info on 2013 to motivate people to buy the console at launch. Given the above quote just posted.
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
Iwata says otherwise. Considering Japan support hasn't even been announced yet (which was always going to better then Western support), and Nintendo's new Nintendo Direct marketing method; It's not that crazy to get hyped for seeing new software sometime this year. Hell, three Activision games that we pretty much know are coming for launch haven't even been shown publicly yet.
I found some posts from him on NeoGAF from around 2005 which should answer your question:
bgassassin
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Thankfully I made a post awhile back that could be copied and pasted from another board.
On March 29th I made this post.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=36485259&#post36485259
On April 5th Li Mu Bai made this post.
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?p=1634440#post1634440
And on April 10th ShockingAlberto made this post.
www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=36838594&#post36838594
You'll see a consistent theme in these posts dealing with games being built from the ground up. Beyond that, I can't say.
He also used to post on GAF many moons ago, but I'm not saying that as some kind of proof to prop him up.
development of ssmb didn´t even started when it was announced. meanwhile, retro and monolith have been already working on their games. so no.
My guess is at the Thursday conference they will announce official pre-orders will be open Friday. But either way, I'm signed up with Best Buy to get an email letting me know when.
To be perfectly honest I'm not sure if most people buy consoles with future titles in mind. That might be true for people like us who come to gaming forums, but asides from that I think people buy consoles because of the games they see on the shelve... and because their kids ask them to. If that's the case, the advantages of giving visibility to the launch titles might outweigh the disadvantage of alienating some people for a few months.
3ds xl, kawashima and mario tennis smiling at you
Edit: sorry for the semi-double posts.
I think it's a smart strategy unless you want announcements a la Sony when they announce something and then the game becomes vaporware for many years (Last Guardian or Final Fantasy XIII Versus). I think Nintendo's strategy is not the best but it's not the worst.
It's just you that is not patient.
I don't expect huge things next week.
Always-honest
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Spieler Eins
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But that Iwata quote that pops up everywhere pretty much suggests that you shouldn't expect anything new at this fall conference
It says they will keep trying to convince you to buy this thing by showing how ,,strong'' this launch quarter is.Yes, we know that he kept Japanese support under wraps apparently, it's my last bastion of hope really, but he also confirmed that it won't be at THIS event next week just recently. And while I might be satisfied with smaller scale stuff, I take that some are expecting games like RE6 and whatnot, but I believe something with big international significance surely would have been at E3.
Mario Tennis and Kawashima give you reason to believe that they've abandoned E3 for a greater good? ok... (Some minor announcements always happened randomy during the year, obviously)
Also, the XL was the biggest announcement that came out of Direct and yet it was just a continuation of E3, really. Iwata even started by saying something like ,,Well, we told you we didn't have enough time for 3DS at E3 and would tell you about it little bit later about it, so here it is''
At least we can hope for NDAs to be lifted. No point hiding anything once the launch build up is in full swing, right? Right?? Right.
I don't think that Wii U launch window is mediocre, honestly. On the contrary, I think that's pretty solid compared to other launch windows of previous systems (I'd buy more or less 8retail games [4 first party, 2 third esclusives, 2 multiplatform titles] and 2-/3 DD games), also if there is a bad lack of Japanese support (that's mediocre, up to now), that I hope will be partially fixed by a Japanese conference or Direct.
But I totally agree about your opinion on prospect of future titles as key of purchase.
Absolutely.
In fact:
I strongly think that that would be a crucial marketing mistake. I'm absolutely not sure to purchase the console without firm news on 2013 incoming developments. We are not talking about an already released console, for which I could look just at incoming releases, but about a brand new console, probably not so cheap, that should be justified as hardware purchase. And in early 2013 other consoles already owned by a lot of consumer will have a lot of important titles (actually I'm planning to buy way more PS3 titles in early 2013 than Xmas 2012) to be released and without the Christmas budget available, it will be even harder to get people on board with late presentations of incoming software.
shinra-bansho
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That quote search didn't particularly lend to credibility.
RE: the event on the 13th. Was this announced before Apple announced their event on the 12th - or after? If the latter that's some poor media planning.
RE: the event on the 13th. Was this announced before Apple announced their event on the 12th - or after? If the latter that's some poor media planning.
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
I've said it plenty of times before, but for me It's pretty obvious that Nintendo is trying to avoid the 3DS situation where everybody gets excited for Kid Icarus, MGS3D, RE:R, Paper Mario, OOT 3D, etc. at E3, and then NONE of them are at launch (and some we are still waiting for). And then "hey guys, it's the fall conference!! All those games you wanted.... Not coming at launch. And oh yeah, $249.99. While that is a bit expensive, the good games are coming eventually, and these shitty third party ports and PilotWings/Steel Diver/Nintendogs & Cats will do for now, right?".
The data is skewed by standout games. MHTri's 1m being a big example with Capcom.
The long and short of it is that PS3 got basically all the major third-party industry support in Japan and Wii got basically none. The publishers generally pushed hard for their sales on PS3 and phoned Wii in. This was intentional for the most part. The Yakuza producer (~500K each selling series from SEGA on PS3) even said that he was sacrificing sales to support continued HD development (and now SEGA is abandoning retail). If you follow the Japanese sales and look at the top games on PS3 from third-parties, you should recognize most of them. If you do the same on Wii, you won't see those same titles there. That's the difference in third-party sales on Wii and PS3 in Japan. You can't sell what you don't make.
Considering overall sales are 50% higher on Wii than PS3, it shows that Wii was basically a one-company show. Not because third-parties couldn't sell their games on Wii, but because third-parties almost entirely didn't sell their majorly pushed games on Wii.
That's what schuelma was talking about with putting the Japanese sales in context.
I dont expect details, but I expect teasers. Nintendo likes teasers and hadn't been shy in the past about giving us glimpses of games coming way down the line.
Not to mention they're trying to convince people to buy into this console for the long haul. A few glimpses of what's in store (Retro's project especially, considering it was pulled from e3) would go a long, long way.
With the other next gen consoles on their way potentially next year, Nintendo can ill afford too many people taking a "wait and see" approach. I think they need to nail this launch if they want to convince a new market to buy their hardware. And part of that is to show people a glimpse of what they are in for.
Although, ya know, Nintendo. They could just show us the rest of NintendoLand and give us a launch date
And I'd lap it up!I think people should stop getting so hyped. Just fucking calm down! Relax, goddamn.
The Launch Line up looks quite good. Let the rest unfold itself. More games will come, they just have to be made or are not ready to be shown.
I'd rather Nintendo/Third Parties show or announce almost finished games that are expected to come out within a resonable timeframe, than wait years in anticipation.
Especially here on GAF people should know better. There is a lot to come. A lot of very awesome IPs were either created or revived on the Wii, which are very likely to come out on Wii U. Nintendo/Third Parties have quite some options.
We will see a lot of awesome games, maybe even more than on Wii - just not too many on launch day.
First half of 2013, right before eastern will be coming more, for sure - so relax. Let the thing come out, enjoy the games from the start, wait till comes more without loosing your obsessed minds *rolleyes*
The Launch Line up looks quite good. Let the rest unfold itself. More games will come, they just have to be made or are not ready to be shown.
I'd rather Nintendo/Third Parties show or announce almost finished games that are expected to come out within a resonable timeframe, than wait years in anticipation.
Especially here on GAF people should know better. There is a lot to come. A lot of very awesome IPs were either created or revived on the Wii, which are very likely to come out on Wii U. Nintendo/Third Parties have quite some options.
We will see a lot of awesome games, maybe even more than on Wii - just not too many on launch day.
First half of 2013, right before eastern will be coming more, for sure - so relax. Let the thing come out, enjoy the games from the start, wait till comes more without loosing your obsessed minds *rolleyes*
That's probably right, but it's also clear that both strategies are wrong:
1) 3ds situations: hey thousands of games! just now you have Steel diver, wait months for proper games.
2) Wii U: hey! good games as Pikmin and Mario and P1000 and Land! Buy the console! You just trust us that others are coming...don't know what and when but keep calm...
Right way? Wii one: Hey! Here you have Sport as a free gift, and Zelda and Excite Truck! But you'll have very soon also Galaxy and Metroid and Paper Mario!
Thanks Xanonano, this proves what I said. Li Mu Bai is not a reliable source.
shinra-bansho
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I actually wanted to see upper and lower quartiles, but was using Excel rather than SPSS.
With regard to some of those titles from Japanese pubs, presumably they're more aimed at a global/Western market, which would probably factor into platform considerations in terms of wanting PS360 multiplatform development.
That being said, I acknowledge your context and schuelma's from before, and largely agree. But I was just seeing what it looked like on a publisher by publisher basis. And I'd still imagine that those pubs that saw greater relative success on the Wii may be more inclined to go all in on the Wii U.
I don't want it to get to the point, at the end of the 'launch window' and there's no games on the horizon.
I can just see in March all the games have been released, nothing announced and then they do an event and bam it's still another month, two months, three months (the middle of 2013) until the next big title comes.
Teasers won't be enough, when people buy a new console they get what they want to play if they're not given anything new to play they'll sell the console and move on.
It happened with the Wii, there was that big period of nothing for 6 months early on and everyone just fucked off.
I just hope Nintendo aren't that arrogant that they can't announce anything to look forward to.
I can just see in March all the games have been released, nothing announced and then they do an event and bam it's still another month, two months, three months (the middle of 2013) until the next big title comes.
Teasers won't be enough, when people buy a new console they get what they want to play if they're not given anything new to play they'll sell the console and move on.
It happened with the Wii, there was that big period of nothing for 6 months early on and everyone just fucked off.
I just hope Nintendo aren't that arrogant that they can't announce anything to look forward to.
Of course not.
MadeInBeats
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Ghost Recon Online 'on hold' for Wii U
BG is good people in my book at least and he says have a listen to what he's got to say, then I will.
~ http://www.videogamer.com/news/ghost_recon_online_on_hold_for_wii_u.html
BG is good people in my book at least and he says have a listen to what he's got to say, then I will.
but isn't it always like that? Publishers don't like the summer at the best of times, and they'll either rush to meet the Q4 release window or just wait until Q3/Q4 2013
radioheadrule83
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I think they will announce something next week, whether that's a single game or plural games, they'll do something... I don't think they've been oblivious to the disappointment voiced at their conservatism at E3. Reggie's answered questions on it, Iwata's been quizzed on it in IR meetings... they know.
Plus, there's no benefit to waiting until mid December or something... there's going to be a launch drought or high demand for the hardware towards the end of the year no matter what, Nintendo-fans / enthusiasts are high enough in number to ensure that... they're not going to wait until next year, so why wait until after launch?
One thing's for sure, I will not be indulging in "My body is ready" type behaviour like I did at E3. I was brought crashing down to earth there!
There'll be news, but we must be patient... and not insane.
*awaits insaneGAF next week*
Plus, there's no benefit to waiting until mid December or something... there's going to be a launch drought or high demand for the hardware towards the end of the year no matter what, Nintendo-fans / enthusiasts are high enough in number to ensure that... they're not going to wait until next year, so why wait until after launch?
One thing's for sure, I will not be indulging in "My body is ready" type behaviour like I did at E3. I was brought crashing down to earth there!
There'll be news, but we must be patient... and not insane.
*awaits insaneGAF next week*
Spieler Eins
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He said he'd like to show it next E3. The event that Nintendo has abandoned according to people that don't want to accept the underwhelming introduction of the console.
Kacho
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Nintendo seems stuck between a rock and a hard place, which is nothing new. It will be interesting to see what they have in store for us next week.
I think they would be crazy to focus solely on the titles announced at E3 at their media press event. I'm not sure how doing so would send a strong message to consumers about the Wii U for launch and beyond. The titles they have announced don't seem to have a lot of people excited. Maybe this changes after the event, but I'm doubtful.
I also think it would be crazy to announce additional titles that won't be at launch that get people excited, because then the launch line-up looks even less appealing as the titles people want won't be coming until sometime in 2013. I'd imagine some folks we be like, "Oh, [insert title] comes out in Q2 2013. I'll buy a Wii U when that comes out." That wouldn't be good.
Hopefully Nintendo announces some additional titles for the launch window from the likes of Capcom, Konami, Square-Enix, etc. That seems like the best way to round out the launch line-up and generate some additional excitement. Probably won't happen, though.
I think they would be crazy to focus solely on the titles announced at E3 at their media press event. I'm not sure how doing so would send a strong message to consumers about the Wii U for launch and beyond. The titles they have announced don't seem to have a lot of people excited. Maybe this changes after the event, but I'm doubtful.
I also think it would be crazy to announce additional titles that won't be at launch that get people excited, because then the launch line-up looks even less appealing as the titles people want won't be coming until sometime in 2013. I'd imagine some folks we be like, "Oh, [insert title] comes out in Q2 2013. I'll buy a Wii U when that comes out." That wouldn't be good.
Hopefully Nintendo announces some additional titles for the launch window from the likes of Capcom, Konami, Square-Enix, etc. That seems like the best way to round out the launch line-up and generate some additional excitement. Probably won't happen, though.
radioheadrule83
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I'm not backing Li Mu Bai, because those quotes seem suspect to me, but I do remember one rumour that Nintendo had two machines with different specs on the table before they decided to nail down the Wii. Both rumoured machines were specced much higher than the Wii turned out to be if I remember correctly...
The one positive around GRO is that from the statement it sounds like they enjoyed working on the hardware, they just don't have the time and the manpower to both polish the game and complete both versions...
the PC version is free to play, I hope that they can manage something similar on Wii U if they revisit it - as it sounds they might
The one positive around GRO is that from the statement it sounds like they enjoyed working on the hardware, they just don't have the time and the manpower to both polish the game and complete both versions...
the PC version is free to play, I hope that they can manage something similar on Wii U if they revisit it - as it sounds they might
not completly abandoned. dude, whats wrong with you? how did nintendo hurt you that much?
Seriously. I was looking forward to playing that game on the Wii U. Damn, those guys just can't catch a break....sheesh.
MadeInBeats
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It was either his dog, or his parents - reverse gear - blind spot.. you can fill in the rest.
Kacho
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Nintendo has created a monster. He can no longer be hurt or disappointed. He can only express extreme cynicism when talking about Nintendo. It's a defense mechanism. He is a Nintendo fan evolved.
SolarPowered
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Doesn't matter so much as long as Zombie U is in the works. That game is more impressive than most anything they've made on Wii so far and it's only a launch title. It'd be cool if they revisit Ghost Recon on the Wii U down the road, though.
None of this even sounds concrete. It's all "wait and see" approach. Tired of this cycle with Nintendo.
so ubi should invest more in devs than in sec?
whoa. mindblown
DaSorcerer7
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Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
Obviously the Wii hit a sweet spot that will be hard to match, but I think it is to early to fully judge the Wii-U situation. We still have the Fall Conference, Nintendo Direct October, and Nintendo Direct December before we fully know what Nintendo is doing with the WiiU. Personally, I think it is a good strategy to show off a good launch window line-up at E3, focus on that for most of the year, and then pull the sheets back (right before or after launch) and show us what is coming in the future to get their audience in full hype mode when the console is actually on the shelves.
If Nintendo doesn't have a look into 2013 (that goes past March) before the end of the year, then I will start to worry about the years to come.
Nah they just said the WiiU version was taking a back seat with a smaller team iirc. Was still 'in developmemt' though.
There still needs to be something, we can't do this 3-4 month with no games rubbish.
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