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[ElectricBlanketFire]

Is it really that unreasonable to be disappointed that a franchise someone loves goes platform exclusive to a console they're not planning on buying?

I like Bayonetta and I love Nintendo, but I think it's perfectly fine to be upset provided you're not an absolute idiot about it. If the same thing happened to say, Metroid, I'd be upset too. Of course people should be grateful that the franchise was saved, but they don't have to be happy about how it happened.

It's like if you think you're going to lose your job, find out you get to keep your job, but only if you move to a different state.

 

[7threst]

THIS is what's important. Nintendo just took Bayonetta by the hand from her grave and pulled her up for another round. Damn the fact that it's not on PS360, it's HAPPENING, period.

Exactly this. Bayonetta 2 is actually coming! And goddamn that is good news!!!

 

[Kjellson]

Bayonetta will be in the next Smash Bros.. I'm certain of it. You didn't hear it here first.

 

[Emitan]

Wow that's unexpected. Is Bayonetta not a Sega IP? Or is it owned by Platinum?

still owned by sega

 

[Theonik]

Old?

https://twitter.com/SEGA/with_replies

:lol

 

[CadetMahoney]

If only people would actually bother buying the game after all this outrage/excitement.

Hint: They won't.

The NPD's for this game will have guaranteed validation and disappointment no matter what the results are. Hopefully it sells well. Would be awesome if it timed with a wii-u price drop next year.

 

[DragonSworne]

So why don't people want to buy a WiiU if it has games they want?

 

[PetriP-TNT]

This is surprising as hell. #wow #whoa

 

[Combichristoffersen]

Wow that's unexpected. Is Bayonetta not a Sega IP? Or is it owned by Platinum?

Sega owns the IP, but Nintendo likely funded development of Bayo 2 (and they're publishing it too) since Sega weren't interested in funding and publishing it themselves.

So why don't people want to buy a WiiU if it has games they want?

Would you be willing to pay $300 for a console + $60 for a game if said game was the only thing that interested you on said console? I know some GAFfers bought PS3s for like $800 just for FF XIII or whatever, but people who buy a console for one single game are in the minority.

 

[Oreoleo]

I'm sure this is not an original post at this point... but I guess I'm buying a WiiU now.

 

[Caelus]

Also, the Wonderful 101 shot... I don't think the characters will be zoomed in that far.

 

[roddur]

will this be the game shatterfield/someone talking about?

 

[Jarmel]

What I'm wondering is whether people are pissed off that it's exclusive in the first place or if it's just because it's Nintendo.

I doubt people would be saying a damn word if it was 720 exclusive.

 

[Opiate]

Is it really that unreasonable to be disappointed that a franchise someone loves goes platform exclusive to a console they're not planning on buying?

I like Bayonetta and I love Nintendo, but I think it's perfectly fine to be upset provided you're not an absolute idiot about it. If the same thing happened to say, Metroid, I'd be upset too. Of course people should be grateful that the franchise was saved, but they don't have to be happy about how it happened.

It's like if you think you're going to lose your job, find out you get to keep your job, but only if you move to a different state.

We've already done this loop before, but I'll lead you down the path one more time: you say some people do not "plan on buying" the Wii U. What is this objector's reason for not buying the system? Presumably because it does not have games they want, yes?

 

[JoeInky]

If buying a system I know I won't love is what I gotta do to play the sequel to one of my favourite IPs of All time, then I'll do it.

I did it for Mortal Kombat 9, it's not that big of a deal.

Bayo 2 won't even be out near launch either, so you can probably get a good deal at a retailer or buy second hand by then.

 

[StuBurns]

I'm saying they will continue to escalate the arms race until only a few publishers survive, and those few publishers can then run razor thin profits. You're throwing out numbers which are essentially arbitrary and cannot be specifically quantified. The strategy is to bleed the competitors dry, so that those who remain can survive comfortably in a space that no longer has 12 or 20 or 40 competitors (who remembers Jaleco? Acclaim? etc) but only 3 or 4.

All four of the big publishers will continue to escalate the arms race until they have successfully crowded as many people out as they can. The "limit" on that has not been reached yet.

This is not a new concept and we can see the same process in virtually every similar industry. The movie studios, for example, run razor thin profit margins overall, constantly increasing the budgets on their "AAA" films, and this prohibits any newcomers from entering what is essentially a five horse race at this point.

Music, too, has been whittled down to three major competitors. It is not cheap to publicize and produce big, flashy acts like Lady Gaga and Britney Spears, so random people can't find great musical acts and expect to produce that artist and make a big label out of it.

Raising the barriers to entry is the basic strategy of all these industries. They sacrifice profits for stability.

The difference is, the film industry can produce a hit, 95% of the time, with something completely new, because of how refined their marketing in. This industry hasn't really managed that level of maturity as of yet. Assassin's Creed was the big, prepackaged mega hit, reviews were middling, but the message was controlled masterfully, and it paid off huge. But it's the exception, not the rule. In gaming, publishers still need to grow IPs, they make their real returns on later iterations. You spend thirty million on Dead Space, and watch it slowly crawl to a million units over a year, and lose money, then you spend the same amount again on a sequel that is profitable in the first week.

I don't think they can remove the B-tier, because in gaming, the top franchises don't come out of the no where, they come from years of established content.

If the magic sauce used to propel Assassin's Creed to instant success has been mastered by the big four third parties, and they're just waiting for next-gen to unleash them, then yeah, they could do it, but as it currently stands, I don't see how the Hollywood model could be followed by the games industry yet.

EDIT: That might be the most off-topic I've ever dragged a thread, wow.

 

[DECK'ARD]

I think the wall of shame is justified. If your not a typical Nintendo fan, this is like a punch in the gut. I've been googling for the past 20 mins and even Im worried. 300 pounds is a lot of money these days to spend on one console that as it stands won't get a lot of use outside of this one game.

I really want to play Bayo 2 and to a lesser extent darksiders 2 U and NG3RE, but I do feel that I will probably end up selling my wii u within a year of purchase.

Nintendo IPs just do not do it for me, I hate motion controls, I cant see myself gaming with that tablet controller for long periods of time and I honestly feel that it will be a gimmick shoehorned into every game on the system.


But on the other hand, I know I'm not getting a PS4 or Xbox 720 at launch anyway, so I can have a little fun with the system for a while. I don't need to keep it for the whole generation (unless Bayo 3 is exclusive as well :/)

If buying a system I know I won't love is what I gotta do to play the sequel to one of my favourite IPs of All time, then I'll do it.

The Wonderful 101.

Wii U is a natural home to Platinum, I'm sure we'll be seeing a lot more and Nintendo published will give their games the spotlight they deserve. Gives them a better chance than just getting lost amongst everything else or ignored for being too different.

They actually have a chance here to break their 'curse', as a fan of the developer that should be the important thing. That and the fact you are seeing Bayonetta 2 at all.

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

Wasn't someone saying here that Bayo 2 has been in a playable state for a long time? So maybe Nintendo are funding the porting of the game,, and the inclusion of platform specific content, rather than the full development?

 

[patrickthehedgehog]

Nice N64 graphics.

The game normally has an upwards of 20 characters on screen at once. I'm assuming with the title it can be up to 100.

 

[JoeFenix]

I think the wall of shame is justified. If your not a typical Nintendo fan, this is like a punch in the gut. I've been googling for the past 20 mins and even Im worried. 300 pounds is a lot of money these days to spend on one console that as it stands won't get a lot of use outside of this one game.

I really want to play Bayo 2 and to a lesser extent darksiders 2 U and NG3RE, but I do feel that I will probably end up selling my wii u within a year of purchase.

Nintendo IPs just do not do it for me, I hate motion controls, I cant see myself gaming with that tablet controller for long periods of time and I honestly feel that it will be a gimmick shoehorned into every game on the system.


But on the other hand, I know I'm not getting a PS4 or Xbox 720 at launch anyway, so I can have a little fun with the system for a while. I don't need to keep it for the whole generation (unless Bayo 3 is exclusive as well :/)

If buying a system I know I won't love is what I gotta do to play the sequel to one of my favourite IPs of All time, then I'll do it.

Wonderful 101 is made by the Director of Bayonetta (and DMC,RE2,OKAMI,Viewtiful Joe) and is coming out exclusively for WiiU near launch.

How can you possibly say that you don't care about a system that will have 2 exclusive Platinum titles within its first year on market?

I just don't get it, it's definitely sports team mentality bullshit. People REALLY need to get over it.

 

[Shaffield]

if this marks a step towards Sega and Nintendo being maximum pals for next gen, the WiiU third party could be astronomical.

dammit, when is Nintendo gonna stop dragging his feet and put a ring on it?!

 

[JoeInky]

So why don't people want to buy a WiiU if it has games they want?

Because it doesn't have more games they want.

 

[Tony Redgrave]

I get that Nintendo pretty much rescued Bayonetta and all, but, isn't it a little unfair for all the fans that supported the game in PS360?

Anyway, good to see it's coming back at least.

 

[Giolon]

ALL OVER MY FACE

 

[Opiate]

The difference is, the film industry can produce a hit, 95% of the time, with something completely new, because of how refined their marketing in. This industry hasn't really managed that level of maturity as of yet. Assassin's Creed was the big, prepackaged mega hit, reviews were middling, but the message was controlled masterfully, and it paid of huge. But it's the exception, not the rule. In gaming, publishers still need to grow IPs, they make their real returns on later iterations. You spend thirty million on Dead Space, and watch it slowly crawl to a million units over a year, and lose money, then you spend the same amount again on a sequel that is profitable in the first week.

I don't think they can remove the B-tier, because in gaming, the top franchises don't come out of the no where, they come from years of established content.

If the magic sauce used to propel Assassin's Creed to instant success has been mastered by the big four third parties has been refined, and they're just waiting for next-gen to unleash them, then yeah, they could do it, but as it currently stands, I don't see how the Hollywood model could be followed by the games industry yet.

If you're saying it could possibly fail and collapse on these gaming publishers, I agree. It's possible.

I'm not saying they have a good plan, I'm just explaining what their plan is, and why they have employed it.

 

[roddur]

What I'm wondering is whether people are pissed off that it's exclusive in the first place or if it's just because it's Nintendo.

I doubt people would be saying a damn word if it was 720 exclusive.

most probably bcos it's on nintendo's platform

 

[Emitan]

Because it doesn't have more games they want.

I'm just guessing here but it will probably have more games made for it other than ones coming out in the next few months.

 

[thebaroness]

(Six or seven people requested a Wall of Shame.)
Situation: A beloved IP, Bayonetta, is dead. The likelyhood of a revival seems astronomically miniscule. Out of nowhere, Nintendo funds development of a sequel, instantly reviving the revered franchise from certain oblivion.

The immediate response of certain enthusiasts was as follows..

:snip:

A reminder, for history, that the above responses were these gamers gratitude for the unexpected resurrection of a dead franchise that they apparently love.

My facebook feed is even worse. All the crying and whining. I'm just so happy today that I get more Bayonetta!

 

[billy beane]

Fuck you Nintendo for helping make games that I want to play that I wouldn't have been able to play otherwise.

 

[Conor 419]

Word on the street is that Nintendo have also picked up Mirror's Edge 2 and Beyond Good and Evil 2.

 

[Wyndstryker]

Is it really that unreasonable to be disappointed that a franchise someone loves goes platform exclusive to a console they're not planning on buying?

I like Bayonetta and I love Nintendo, but I think it's perfectly fine to be upset provided you're not an absolute idiot about it. If the same thing happened to say, Metroid, I'd be upset too. Of course people should be grateful that the franchise was saved, but they don't have to be happy about how it happened.

It's like if you think you're going to lose your job, find out you get to keep your job, but only if you move to a different state.

If a person can't afford it, sure thats fine.
If a person doesn't want to buy the console because the library isn't enough to satisfy them, sure thats fine.
If a person doesn't want to buy the console because it's made by Nintendo then it's unreasonable.

There are many people who are in category number 3.

 

[Jarmel]

I get that Nintendo pretty much rescued Bayonetta and all, but, isn't it a little unfair fro all the fans that supported the game in PS360?

Why? They're not preventing you from buying the game.

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

I get that Nintendo pretty much rescued Bayonetta and all, but, isn't it a little unfair for all the fans that supported the game in PS360?

Anyway, good to see it's coming back at least.

About as unfair as it was that NES owners had to buy a new system in order to play Super Mario World and Castlevania IV.

 

[Opiate]

Word on the street is that Nintendo have also picked up Mirror's Edge 2 and Beyond Good and Evil 2.

Warning: things like this can get people banned unless 1) they come true or 2) they are clearly marked as a joke or sarcasm.

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

The Wonderful 101.

Wii U is a natural home to Platinum, I'm sure we'll be seeing a lot more and Nintendo published will give their games the spotlight they deserve. Gives them a better chance than just getting lost amongst everything else or ignored for be being too different.

Which looks like a good kamiya game, but not one that I'd wanna play

Spoiler

I'm not a huge fan of vietiful joe either

But yes, I'd love to see more platinum support, but not at the expense of platform exclusivity. I would love Nintendo to keep with their current plan, which is to fund the games they like, but not bring P* Inhouse. That would be a Huge loss for everyone.

 

[HYDE]

Word on the street is that Nintendo have also picked up Mirror's Edge 2 and Beyond Good and Evil 2.

Don't toy with my heart like that...and Psychonauts 2?

 

[Boogybro]

Sega owns the IP, but Nintendo likely funded development of Bayo 2 (and they're publishing it too) since Sega weren't interested in funding and publishing it themselves.



Would you be willing to pay $300 for a console + $60 for a game if said game was the only thing that interested you on said console? I know some GAFfers bought PS3s for like $800 just for FF XIII or whatever, but people who buy a console for one single game are in the minority.

Yeah ok.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

I get that Nintendo pretty much rescued Bayonetta and all, but, isn't it a little unfair for all the fans that supported the game in PS360?

Anyway, good to see it's coming back at least.

I supported it on 360.

I would support it if it were on 720 or PS4, as well.

 

[SmokyDave]

This thread is disgusting, Bayonetta 2 gets announced and people cry about system wars bullshit...

It didn't get announced for IPhone or anything, chill out, it's a real game with the potential to have nicer graphics than it would on 360 or PS3. Buy a WiiU with Wonderful 101 and call it a day.

Emergency Bayonetta replay today, up to chapter 4 already. Still the best thing ever!

I giggled.

 

[JoeInky]

I'm just guessing here but it will probably have more games made for it other than ones coming out in the next few months.

No, you can only ever judge a console on the games you currently know about, no games are ever released after the launch period.

 

[ant1532]

can i call people complaining bitches without getting in trouble? cus if i can then thats what i would say.

 

[thebaroness]

if this marks a step towards Sega and Nintendo being maximum pals for next gen, the WiiU third party could be astronomical.

dammit, when is Nintendo gonna stop dragging his feet and put a ring on it?!

I would actually be really happy with that partnership. SEGA making cool games again and no more of this mobile nonsense!

 

[lazybones18]

Posted already?

 

[Risette]

Would you be willing to pay $300 for a console + $60 for a game if said game was the only thing that interested you on said console? I know some GAFfers bought PS3s for like $800 just for FF XIII or whatever, but people who buy a console for one single game are in the minority.

Yes?

 

[Parham]

I get that Nintendo pretty much rescued Bayonetta and all, but, isn't it a little unfair for all the fans that supported the game in PS360?

Anyway, good to see it's coming back at least.

The alternative is the game not existing at all.

 

[Emitan]

Don't toy with my heart like that...and Psychonauts 2?

And Planescape: Torment 2, 3, and 4!

I supported it on 360.

I would support it if it were on 720 or PS4, as well.

I supported it on 360 and PS3

 

[EricDiesel]

So why don't people want to buy a WiiU if it has games they want?

Wii U has no games they want: "I won't buy this garbage system! It has no games I want!"

Wii U has games they want: "I won't buy this garbage system! I wanted this game on [hardware of choice]!"

Short answer: They really just hate the Wii U and/or Nintendo.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

We've already done this loop before, but I'll lead you down the path one more time: you say some people do not "plan on buying" the Wii U. What is this objector's reason for not buying the system? Presumably because it does not have games they want, yes?

"Having the games" is part of it, but the Wii U not being a powerhouse/tablet controller can turn people off to buying it as well.

I don't want to be redundant as you mentioned, so I'll just leave it at that.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

(Six or seven people requested a Wall of Shame.)

A reminder, for history, that the above responses were these gamers gratitude for the unexpected resurrection of a dead franchise that they apparently love.

 

[DECK'ARD]

Wasn't someone saying here that Bayo 2 has been in a playable state for a long time? So maybe Nintendo are funding the porting of the game,, and the inclusion of platform specific content, rather than the full development?

I imagine it was some way along but Sega cancelled it before it could be finished because they didn't think they'd get the return on it.

Nintendo rescued it, and by publishing it are also giving Platinum the clout they deserve now.