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[enzo_gt]

But they don't get in the way.

In the end, Halo doesn't have boss fights, so at least that ending was better than.....nothing? Which is what the other Halo games basically have/had.

Did you want them to end it with a warthog run?

Although I guess that Death Star thing could have been cool, but then you would have had a vocal minority whining about that too. Same way you have a vocal minority whine about fucking everything.

Of course they get in the way. Because of they're infrequency, they immediately take you out of the experience and make you ponder why your doing this now instead of it being just another gameplay or cutscenes sequence like the majority of the game and franchise are like. That's the point, they ARE useless AND detrimental.

Also saying its better than nothing is a pretty poor argument. The fact is that a QTE to end the game made the ending very anticlimactic and thus less satisfying than other endings full of "nothing." Its not whining when there's a basis for complaints, it's called critique.

One thing I get from the thread is even hardcore lore fans are a bit lost, even with books, videos etc...

that's pretty weird.

If 343i intends to copy CoD moving forward, then I humbly suggest moving the story through multiple characters.

Controlling the Lord Of Admirals even if the guy is just ginving orders from his ship, or going in a Flood infested planet as the Didact would have made the story bits much easier to swallow.

I'm not giving the stick to 343i for the rather poor story implementation, they tried, hard, and there are some successes, but my expectations were pretty high.
I delight in the quality f the cutscenes though, and still wish the best for the franchise.

They literally ask for our patience and support during the credits, so I hope the plan for the franchise is sound.

Best case scenario for me? they edit the videos and add some more and release a movie during 2013 that summarises pre-Halo firing events.
And they do the same with Spartan Ops/ONI to bridge the upcoming game/books.

I'd rather pay for the all she-bang rather than be fed some story, some gameplay and having a hard time reconcilling the two.

Halo 2 was enough proof the majority of people did not like playing as anyone other than the Chief. And jumping far far back in the timeline, especially to a time only clear to those who have read the books and looked the terminals, sounds like a bad idea.

 

[ToyMachine228]

Wait. Hasely was aboard the Infinity during Halo 4? Did they really not have time to at least ask her if anything could be done about Cortana?

She was being kept prisoner on The Infinity in Thursday War. I think her location is left ambiguous during the events of Halo 4.

 

[Dreaver]

Let me answer these real quick:



*snip*

Thanks dude, great post. I am wondering one more thing because you say the (splinter) Covenant serves the Didact, but why do the fight in the beginning? (or was that before the Didact controlled the Prometheans?)

The Death Star part was lame and has nothing to do with what Halo is about. You should never be forced to stay in a vehicle and it should definitely not turn into a trial and error ordeal like that part was. I'm pretty sure 25% of my deaths in my campaign playthrough came from that section alone, mostly because the checkpoints weren't exactly forgiving either.

You do realize that both Halo 1 and Halo 3 had a forced driving part right? Like way longer than the Death Star part.

 

[slashmysoul]

Well, he did transport you to the Library and subject you to levels of cryptic and insane mutterings - sure, no fairy dust, but at this point it is not exactly clear exactly what the Librarian did to the Chief.

We assume it's some kind of resistance to the Composer, but I'm not convinced; the only things we know for sure:-

1. Chief could hear the Didact telepathically afterwards.
2. Chief was not 'composed' in the space station near installation 03.

I can't think of anything else really, at the time I assumed that whatever she did would make Chief resistant to the Didact's gravity field, but that obviously did not happen.

Personally I think it's something to do with the Domain (which I'm interested to get more on in Silentium - why did the Forerunner's lose connection to it?); but likely totally off base.

Librarian's anti-Composing hacks make no less sense to me than all the other bullshit the Forerunners pull off.

Now that I think on it, didn't the Didact try to compose himself? That leads me to think that the Librarian just unlocked some geas in the Chief to make him similar to the Didact.

That would explain his connection to the Didact, it would explain his familiarity with Forerunner shit, it would explain Guilty Spark's "would I do it again?" line.

Hey guys,

Been lingering watching this thread for a bit. I think someone aluded to the posibility I'm about to suggest somewhere along the line, but I can't find it now so I'd like to raise it again.

With regards to whatever the Librarian (well, the replication, personality imprint or whatever you want to call her - she did point out she wasn't the 'actual' Librarian) did to Chief...

1. She did say she would make him immune to the Composer, and it worked.
2. The Didact is the only other being we know of so far that is immune to the Composer.
3. Chief could hear the Didact "telepathically" not long after this, but what if this isn't exactly what was going on? What if it was more similar to, or indeed the same as what Bornstellar MEL went through. He had a similar experience of hearing the Didact in his head, not long after this:

http://www.halopedia.org/Forerunner_mutation

Anyone else think this is a possibility?

 

[monome]

Human mutation?

why not...Chief is clearly the next step on the evolutionnary road, and was prepped to fuck the Flood.
He's also quite distinctively detached from Humanity already.


Ohohohohoh the backlash if he becomes Space Jesus.

 

[RealDeadOne]

Thanks dude, great post. I am wondering one more thing because you say the (splinter) Covenant serves the Didact, but why do the fight in the beginning? (or was that before the Didact controlled the Prometheans?)

Before the Didact woke up, the Prometheans were basically just acting as security drones. The blue light means they are under the Librarian's influence, and she wanted them to just stop anyone from ever waking Didact up.

So the Prometheans were fighting the Covenant per their own security protocols, and the Covenant were just defending themselves.

 

[AzerPhire]

I find that a lot of the problems or questions people have in this thread could be answered if they just listened and paid attention to the dialogue in the game.

For example during the Librarian conversation she mentions planting 'seeds' in humanity when she indexed them. She unlocks this hidden gene in the MC which among other gifts makes him immune to the composer. We don't yet know what those other gifts are but I am sure they will be expanded on in the future.

Also it really helps to turn subtitles on as you catch a lot more detail that way. Most people missed the conversation Chief has with Laskey during the last mission where he talks about Del Rio being releived of command for abandoning the Chief on Requiem.

 

[Red]

Human mutation?

why not...Chief is clearly the next step on the evolutionnary road, and was prepped to fuck the Flood.
He's also quite distinctively detached from Humanity already.


Ohohohohoh the backlash if he becomes Space Jesus.

Halo 3 marketing already presented him as Space Jesus

 

[Pooya]

Human mutation?

why not...Chief is clearly the next step on the evolutionnary road, and was prepped to fuck the Flood.
He's also quite distinctively detached from Humanity already.

It has already happened :\

I fear they are looking at Assassin's Creed or ME for inspiration....

 

[Red]

It has already happened :

I fear they are looking at Assassin's Creed or ME for inspiration....

Halo's story is still more consistent than both.

 

[Blue Ninja]

The Chief already is Space Jesus.

Doesn't hold a candle against Our Lord and Savior, The Shepard, though.

 

[Der Flatulator]

Halo 4: An Ancient Evil Awakens

Halo 5: Space Jesus

Halo 6: The Shaping Sickness attains the Mantle (spoiler)

Discuss.

 

[ToyMachine228]

I find that a lot of the problems or questions people have in this thread could be answered if they just listened and paid attention to the dialogue in the game.

For example during the Librarian conversation she mentions planting 'seeds' in humanity when she indexed them. She unlocks this hidden gene in the MC which among other gifts makes him immune to the composer. We don't yet know what those other gifts are but I am sure they will be expanded on in the future.

Also it really helps to turn subtitles on as you catch a lot more detail that way. Most people missed the conversation Chief has with Laskey during the last mission where he talks about Del Rio being releived of command for abandoning the Chief on Requiem.

I agree. The answers to a lot of people's questions are out there whether right in the game itself, in the terminals, or in the books. As I've said before, you can criticize 343 if you'd like for not putting all of the answers in the game itself and requiring people to go outside the gaming space to find the answers, but they are out.

 

[Der Flatulator]

I agree. The answers to a lot of people's questions are out there whether right in the game itself, in the terminals, or in the books. As I've said before, you can criticize 343 if you'd like for not putting all of the answers in the game itself and requiring people to go outside the gaming space to find the answers, but they are out.

Exactly. No-one wants to play a halo game that's 99% story and 1% killing stuff. If you're interested in the story watch the terminals and read the books, if not, just play the game. I think they've done it pretty well.

 

[Trey]

Ohohohohoh the backlash if he becomes Space Jesus.

Please god no

Anyone else think this is a possibility?

Doubtful because brevet mutations were known to be consensual, and required an operating lab with all kinds of tubes and doo-dads. It isn't brought upon by eye/soul-hacks. At least not that we know of. That would be some shameful shit for 343 to pump up the "Chief's humanity" angle only to un-mask him and reveal he's some monstrous space alien furry crossbreed.

 

[slashmysoul]

I find that a lot of the problems or questions people have in this thread could be answered if they just listened and paid attention to the dialogue in the game.

For example during the Librarian conversation she mentions planting 'seeds' in humanity when she indexed them. She unlocks this hidden gene in the MC which among other gifts makes him immune to the composer. We don't yet know what those other gifts are but I am sure they will be expanded on in the future.

Also it really helps to turn subtitles on as you catch a lot more detail that way. Most people missed the conversation Chief has with Laskey during the last mission where he talks about Del Rio being releived of command for abandoning the Chief on Requiem.

I agree you have a point there, but also the plotlines are a little vague right now in places. 343 obviously didn’t want to ruin all the reveals in Greg’s upcoming book, so we get the fun opportunity of speculating as to what’s going on in these areas! I also doubt everything will be revealed even then, so this could run and run.

The seeds she refers to would seem to obviously be the geas (and I did pick that up even without subs P), and it's a definite possibility for explaining the Didact’s voice in Chief’s head. The geas in the books resulted in this phenomenon also, but the characters seemed more aware the voices were in their heads. The one thing that doesn't quite fit is that the geas in the novels all seem to be imprints of dead beings - there hasn't been an example of a geas of a living being that I know of. Or of anything other than a deceased human. (That doesn't mean this isn’t possible, of course. Or that the Didact hasn’t developed telepathic skills in the past 100,000 years, although personally I think this is less likely).

I suggested the mutation because it seems a more direct and obvious way of moving Chief forward on the evolutionary road, and making him a better matched opponent for the Didact. It would also be possible alongside activating a geas, and would fit under “other gifts.” Might also explain why his eyes look rather weird in the legendary ending – it might not have just been a tease. One other thing about the mutation is it apparently can take years for the effects to show, which would be why we don’t see any immediate physical change during the game, just his life signs being all over the place. Even if he’s had a brevet mutation, it still takes days to show, so unless they mention it in Spartan Ops, we wouldn’t know until Halo 5.

Of course, the other possibility is that one Didact was imprisoned in Requiem, and the other (at some point after escaping his abandonment in the flood infested system. Or the other way around – we still don’t know for definite which Didact we just fought) fired the halo rings and later died, in which case Chief could just have his geas talking to him after all. Especially if one of the Didacts died on the Ark (where the indexed humans were) – after all, unless there is a massive retcon coming, one of them had to be there to fire the rings. This would also require at least one ifeworker to be on the Ark to imprint this geas onto the indexed humans, or indeed maybe the Librarian was there. After all, GS is pretty convinced she’s still alive.

I could be way off base, just thought it was a fun theory to speculate on.

 

[slashmysoul]

Please god no



Doubtful because brevet mutations were known to be consensual, and required an operating lab with all kinds of tubes and doo-dads. It isn't brought upon by eye/soul-hacks. At least not that we know of. That would be some shameful shit for 343 to pump up the "Chief's humanity" angle only to un-mask him and reveal he's some monstrous space alien furry crossbreed.

Well, she did make a point of asking for Chief's permission...

The tubes and doo-dads is a bit of a problem with the theory, but then again when the Didact was revived from his Cryptum it should've involved lots of tubes and doo-dads and several days before he was at full strength, so maybe Requiem took a leaf out of Cortana's book and has been busy upgrading things over the past 100,000 years!

He'll always be Chief while he's still got a nose!!!

 

[Der Flatulator]

Two questions:

1. If the Chief hadn't put his hands on the Reclaimer Pad/Pillar things, the Didact wouldn't have been awoken, right?
   
2. After John talks with the Librarian and is mutated/altered, you portal straight back into action with Scorpions v Wraiths, etc. Why does no-one ask how the hell he teleported there?

 

[daedalius]

Didn't mind the QTEs, better than a Tartarus boss fight, not as good as a Metroid Prime boss fight.

No way Didact is dead, since he fell into a slipspace portal of his own creation, not to mention the Composer beam very evidently was streaming millions of digitized humans through it. Didact is alive and well, with a new army of millions of digitized humans to put into Promethean carapaces. Also probably has a copy of the 'Evolved Ancilla' Cortana...

Really enjoyed the story overall, a bit convoluted, but that makes it more interesting to look into further. Also, playing it the 2nd time I noticed lots of little things I didn't the first time (like with the Composer beam, etc).

It is unfortunate the terminals are not more integrated within the game; as they shed a LOT of light on events that are happening.

 

[LAUGHTREY]

If you watch the video, the scientist's body breaks down into "pixels" as he's getting sucked into the artifact. It's very similar to the whole Composer thing it seems. Maybe it's something they store Forerunner and/or other biological consciousness in.

The composer also leaves a pile of dust though, this didn't.

The composer is also a lot more violent, stripping you layer by layer, this looked like a portal.

 

[strafer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PgTC2BVFC8

Cortana...please.

Poor guy doesn't know how to handle it.

 

[MaximumFlipFlop]

both sexy Didact from lve cutscene and angry Didact look pretty much the same.
the in-game one has a more fanatical, angrier tone.

didact is ugly because Forerunners are ugly
that said, ancient humans are all mayans/indians

that said, I'm still looking for a Play Arts Didact figure, with the humbler armor he rocks before going to Requiem.

They don't look too similar.

 

[Head of Vengarl]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PgTC2BVFC8

Cortana...please.

Poor guy doesn't know how to handle it.

Yeah, a lot of people were ripping on that scene for being sappy or something, but I liked it. It shows how he struggles to convey his emotions, but at the same time you can see how devastated he is that she is going to "die."

 

[dragonelite]

Yeah, a lot of people were ripping on that scene for being sappy or something, but I liked it. It shows how he struggles to convey his emotions, but at the same time you can see how devastated he is that she is going to "die."

The music is also sad :'(

 

[BuckRobotron]

Yeah, a lot of people were ripping on that scene for being sappy or something, but I liked it. It shows how he struggles to convey his emotions, but at the same time you can see how devastated he is that she is going to "die."

My impression is that this scene has gone over very well with most. Strong emotional send-off from Cortana and just the right hints to reciprocal emotion from Master Chief without excess.

 

[MaximumFlipFlop]

Scored this great capture from the legendary ending. Look at those eyes... Chief is so worn out.

 

[Foolishfellow]

My impression is that this scene has gone over very well with most. Strong emotional send-off from Cortana and just the right hints to reciprocal emotion from Master Chief without excess.

My impression is the opposite.

It makes no sense for Master Chief to have emotion. Before this stupid campaign Cortana was never Master Chief's girlfriend/mom or whatever the hell she is supposed to be in this game. Lets go back to the days where Master Chief is a killing machine and not some doofus pondering existential questions. I'm sorry but the story in Halo 4 is awful. Poorly written and nearly incomprehensible even after watching several 15 minute long youtube videos + terminal videos trying to tell me what the hell is going on.

Also, the didact and the librarian are awful characters.

 

[BuckRobotron]

My impression is the opposite.

It makes no sense for Master Chief to have emotion. Before this stupid campaign Cortana was never Master Chief's girlfriend/mom or whatever the hell she is supposed to be in this game. Lets go back to the days where Master Chief is a killing machine and not some doofus pondering existential questions. I'm sorry but the story in Halo 4 is awful. Poorly written and nearly incomprehensible after watching several 15 minute long youtube videos + terminal videos trying to tell me what the hell is going on.

Also, the didact and the librarian are awful characters.

I am absolutely not interested anymore in an emotionless robot Master Chief. They've done right with Halo 4.

 

[Kinyou]

"An ancient evil awakens... and dies"

A weird way to start of a trilogy.

My impression is the opposite.

It makes no sense for Master Chief to have emotion. Before this stupid campaign Cortana was never Master Chief's girlfriend/mom or whatever the hell she is supposed to be in this game. Lets go back to the days where Master Chief is a killing machine and not some doofus pondering existential questions. I'm sorry but the story in Halo 4 is awful. Poorly written and nearly incomprehensible even after watching several 15 minute long youtube videos + terminal videos trying to tell me what the hell is going on.

Also, the didact and the librarian are awful characters.

Halo 4 didn't just suddenly invent a relationship between the two. Halo 3 was actually all about the Chief getting Cortana back.

 

[Danny 117]

So basically, from watching all the terminals, am I getting the back story now? (spoilers)

Spoiler

The didact reduced humanity back to cavemen as he saw them as a threat to the forerunners. They then find out that humanity were running from the flood, and that the forerunners were their next victim. Then it splits into two different solutions:
Librarian: Fire the halo rings, index every species in the galaxy, send them back to their homeworlds to repopulate when the time is right.
Didact: Use the composer to build his promethian army (including composing the entire population of earth) , they're immune to the infection as they're machines, containing the flood.
Before watching the terminals, I thought the forerunners were now revealed to be against the humans but this seems to be far from the case.
Question: Did the Librarian make the Halo rings/ the ark / other forerunner technology respond only to human touch as she knew they would rise again to claim the 'mantle' as they say and contain the flood?
Very intriguing entry into the Halo franchise and I'm certainly looking forward to more of this in Halo 5.

 

[Leunam]

What happened to Admiral Meanie after Chief left The Infinity? I think I missed some brief dialogue during the run on Didacts ship from Lasky.

 

[dragonelite]

What happened to Admiral Meanie after Chief left The Infinity? I think I missed some brief dialogue during the run on Didacts ship from Lasky.

He got fired for leaving chief behind i believe or atleast repositioned.

 

[RedSwirl]

Scored this great capture from the legendary ending. Look at those eyes... Chief is so worn out.

Still looks like Tom Cruise to me.

 

[daedalius]

My impression is the opposite.

It makes no sense for Master Chief to have emotion. Before this stupid campaign Cortana was never Master Chief's girlfriend/mom or whatever the hell she is supposed to be in this game. Lets go back to the days where Master Chief is a killing machine and not some doofus pondering existential questions. I'm sorry but the story in Halo 4 is awful. Poorly written and nearly incomprehensible even after watching several 15 minute long youtube videos + terminal videos trying to tell me what the hell is going on.

Also, the didact and the librarian are awful characters.

No.

 

[Fehyd]

They aren't. As it stands SIII are a cheap mass produced ripoffs of the SII's. SIV is with voluntary adults. So no gene selection or bioengineering/training from a young age.

Well, the only thing that made SIII's inferior to SII's was the armor (excluding Noble). While they didn't have the perfect genes SII's do, the augmentations were actually better than SII augs (I believe Fred even says so in Ghosts of Onyx, as well as remarking that his trained SIII's were better trained than he was when he's finished with them).

SIV's are supposed to be augmented, probably via refinement from the SIII augs, and those have probably been improved again.

Then, the idea that remaining SII's and SIII's were reincorporated into the SIV program, seems to mean that there isn't a huge jump between the various designations.

 

[The Elite]

My impression is the opposite.

It makes no sense for Master Chief to have emotion. Before this stupid campaign Cortana was never Master Chief's girlfriend/mom or whatever the hell she is supposed to be in this game. Lets go back to the days where Master Chief is a killing machine and not some doofus pondering existential questions. I'm sorry but the story in Halo 4 is awful. Poorly written and nearly incomprehensible even after watching several 15 minute long youtube videos + terminal videos trying to tell me what the hell is going on.

Also, the didact and the librarian are awful characters.

He might be modified, but he's human.

Even Robocop feel.

 

[Deadly]

Well, the only thing that made SIII's inferior to SII's was the armor (excluding Noble). While they didn't have the perfect genes SII's do, the augmentations were actually better than SII augs (I believe Fred even says so in Ghosts of Onyx, as well as remarking that his trained SIII's were better trained than he was when he's finished with them).

SIV's are supposed to be augmented, probably via refinement from the SIII augs, and those have probably been improved again.

Then, the idea that remaining SII's and SIII's were reincorporated into the SIV program, seems to mean that there isn't a huge jump between the various designations.

The SIII augmentations had drawbacks though. Weren't they prone to rage or something and that had to be countered regularly by a vaccine?

 

[Bizazedo]

Well, the only thing that made SIII's inferior to SII's was the armor (excluding Noble). While they didn't have the perfect genes SII's do, the augmentations were actually better than SII augs (I believe Fred even says so in Ghosts of Onyx, as well as remarking that his trained SIII's were better trained than he was when he's finished with them).

SIV's are supposed to be augmented, probably via refinement from the SIII augs, and those have probably been improved again.

Then, the idea that remaining SII's and SIII's were reincorporated into the SIV program, seems to mean that there isn't a huge jump between the various designations.

Mm, don't recall that the SIII's were as good as the SII's. I might've missed a book, but I thought I distinctly remember it being called out that they were not as good.

They lose entire companies of them to the Covenant on suicide missions. Yes, the armor had a lot to do with it.

I also don't think you can extrapolate Fred saying that just because he trained his group extremely well, that it was common for the SIII's to be trained better.

I didn't go beyond Ghosts of Onyx, so they might have changed that, and it HAS been awhile, but I don't recollect that.

I am interested in learning more about the SIV's simply because their attitudes in Spartan Ops have made me hate them and want to see an SII take them down a few notches.

[edit]

Separately, and it deserves calling out as they've been getting ripped, Bungie did an excellent job differentiating the treatment Jorge received versus his squadmates from Halsey. And also his reciprocal treatment of Halsey.

It was well done, understated, and easily missed, but that part makes me know that Bungie paid attention to at least some of their storyline. Although at this point I wonder if they just looked down on anything not done by Nylund.

 

[daedalius]

The SIII augmentations had drawbacks though. Weren't they prone to rage or something and that had to be countered regularly by a vaccine?

Something about brain degradation from their augments that had to be kept in check with drugs. Although Kurt seemed to think that their training more than made up for any weakness brought on by side-effects.

 

[Fehyd]

The SIII augmentations had drawbacks though. Weren't they prone to rage or something and that had to be countered regularly by a vaccine?

Does sound familiar. I think they mentioned in Onyx that SIII augs were basically a cocktail of illegal and illicit stuff that ended up having those effects. Wouldn't surprise me if there were some nasty side-effects.

Mm, don't recall that the SIII's were as good as the SII's. I might've missed a book, but I thought I distinctly remember it being called out that they were not as good.

I believe they were missing a few of the growth improvements, or they were rolled into other augs, since SIII's still were plenty tall, just not SII tall, and Jorge was one of the taller SII's.

They lose entire companies of them to the Covenant on suicide missions. Yes, the armor had a lot to do with it.

Very true, but I think we're looking at two different outlooks here. Namely, between a SIII's capabilities and how SIII's performed. My point being, an SIII given the same training and equipment of an SII, ends up somewhere around Noble Team level, which isn't too far removed from SII.

Many SIII's weren't given the same training that Kurt gave those on Onyx, but still. I tend to look at it as more "capability" wise, especially if there are now SIII's in the SIV program with Gen 2 armor, etc.

I also don't think you can extrapolate Fred saying that just because he trained his group extremely well, that it was common for the SIII's to be trained better.

I don't have the book with me, but I do remember Kurt or Fred remarking that SIII augments were superior. Training wise I don't remember the exact passages though, its been a while, lol.

I am interested in learning more about the SIV's simply because their attitudes in Spartan Ops have made me hate them and want to see an SII take them down a few notches..

Majestic I hate. I like to think of them as the "oh god, its Majestic again, this'll be worth some laughs" freakshow to the rest of the ship, Crimson included.

 

[LAUGHTREY]

"An ancient evil awakens... and dies"

A weird way to start of a trilogy.


Halo 4 didn't just suddenly invent a relationship between the two. Halo 3 was actually all about the Chief getting Cortana back.

He fell into a slipspace portal. No body no death.

So basically, from watching all the terminals, am I getting the back story now? (spoilers)

Spoiler

The didact reduced humanity back to cavemen as he saw them as a threat to the forerunners. They then find out that humanity were running from the flood, and that the forerunners were their next victim. Then it splits into two different solutions:
Librarian: Fire the halo rings, index every species in the galaxy, send them back to their homeworlds to repopulate when the time is right.
Didact: Use the composer to build his promethian army (including composing the entire population of earth) , they're immune to the infection as they're machines, containing the flood.
Before watching the terminals, I thought the forerunners were now revealed to be against the humans but this seems to be far from the case.
Question: Did the Librarian make the Halo rings/ the ark / other forerunner technology respond only to human touch as she knew they would rise again to claim the 'mantle' as they say and contain the flood?
Very intriguing entry into the Halo franchise and I'm certainly looking forward to more of this in Halo 5.

This is the spoiler thread, you dont have to tag.

After the forerunner defeated the humans, they found that the humans had a solution to the flood but was now lost, and were able to either drive them back/contain/cure it. They kept humans alive and repopulated them with the hope that eventually they would rise again to the same level they were before defeated and find the way to stop the flood again.

I don't know why they didn't keep themselves around to re-populate just like they did with ever other species, maybe they knew their hubris doomed the galaxy and that they didn't deserve the mantle after nearly destroying a desperate humanity so they commit species wide suicide, and this is where the Didact has a philosophical difference with the rest of his race.

 

[RotBot]

Still looks like Tom Cruise to me.

I see Michael Ironside.

 

[The Elite]

He fell into a slipspace portal. No body no death.


This is the spoiler thread, you dont have to tag.

After the forerunner defeated the humans, they found that the humans had a solution to the flood but was now lost, and were able to either drive them back/contain/cure it. They kept humans alive and repopulated them with the hope that eventually they would rise again to the same level they were before defeated and find the way to stop the flood again.

I don't know why they didn't keep themselves around to re-populate just like they did with ever other species, maybe they knew their hubris doomed the galaxy and that they didn't deserve the mantle after nearly destroying a desperate humanity so they commit species wide suicide, and this is where the Didact has a philosophical difference with the rest of his race.

I like to think there may still be a planet with Forerunners on it somewhere. They've chosen not to spread among the stars.

 

[NekoFever]

Ohohohohoh the backlash if he becomes Space Jesus.

 

[Flipyap]

Ohohohohoh the backlash if he becomes Space Jesus.

 

[Conor 419]

I just realized I think 343 is taking the Robot Chicken route when it comes to their games, in comparison to RC's seasons. They made it self-contained in the worst-case scenario that they couldn't continue it for whatever reason. That's also why they renamed it to the Reclaimer Saga, among other things (such as the cohesive books/supplementary games/etc being a part of it in contrast to the Halo Trilogy). Whether this holds for future games is yet to be seen.

If this is the case, then that's an absolute disaster for the future of the series. We will just see the storytelling issues accentuate.

 

[Nardonicus]

So basically, from watching all the terminals, am I getting the back story now? (spoilers)

Spoiler

The didact reduced humanity back to cavemen as he saw them as a threat to the forerunners. They then find out that humanity were running from the flood, and that the forerunners were their next victim. Then it splits into two different solutions:
Librarian: Fire the halo rings, index every species in the galaxy, send them back to their homeworlds to repopulate when the time is right.
Didact: Use the composer to build his promethian army (including composing the entire population of earth) , they're immune to the infection as they're machines, containing the flood.
Before watching the terminals, I thought the forerunners were now revealed to be against the humans but this seems to be far from the case.
Question: Did the Librarian make the Halo rings/ the ark / other forerunner technology respond only to human touch as she knew they would rise again to claim the 'mantle' as they say and contain the flood?
Very intriguing entry into the Halo franchise and I'm certainly looking forward to more of this in Halo 5.

That seems to be the story. I agree, its a cool premise...but...Why the hell do I need to unlock these hidden videos in the game or go to youtube to watch this stuff?

In my opinion, it is just poor presentation of the story as a whole in the game itself. Don't make me have to work extra hard outside of playing through the campaign to understand what is happening.

Game is still great though. Looking forward to the next one.

 

[NullPointer]

I don't know why they didn't keep themselves around to re-populate just like they did with ever other species, maybe they knew their hubris doomed the galaxy and that they didn't deserve the mantle after nearly destroying a desperate humanity so they commit species wide suicide, and this is where the Didact has a philosophical difference with the rest of his race.

This is something I'd like to know too. Why didn't they just index themselves or build more Cryptums?

 

[Trey]

I don't know why they didn't keep themselves around to re-populate just like they did with ever other species, maybe they knew their hubris doomed the galaxy and that they didn't deserve the mantle after nearly destroying a desperate humanity so they commit species wide suicide, and this is where the Didact has a philosophical difference with the rest of his race.

Nah. They wanted to stick around. The shield worlds are proof of this. Something went wrong with the plan - maybe they were corrupted by the Flood in some unique, unassailable way.

 

[Zeouterlimits]

So, just so I'm sure, did the Terminals retcon the Halo 3 Terminals? Or is it a case of we don't know yet?

God, I hope Silentium is some work of art to restore some .. confidence to the Forerunner and Didact/Librarian aspects of the universe.