Who knows for sure, really. I never blame the system first, except for extreme examples where the system was doomed from the start (Rayman on the Jaguar, for instance). There's nothing inherently unbelievable in the notion that this particular remake could be thought of as unappealing: it's a remake of the prequel to the game that really kickstarted the series when it should have been a remake of MM2, and it's got an overly cute artstyle which has to polarizing (or at least not universally pleasing). It effectively brings nothing of importance to the series but is just a re-imagining of an old game, a sort of "what-if" nostalgia trip that I'm not sure is ever a good idea commercially. Heck, even more straightforward ports like Maverick Hunter X and Medievil (don't know why that sprung to mind) bombed. I'm sure the system bears some of the blame, but it's only secondary. I'm not saying there's nothing cool about the game, because I liked the idea of playing as the robot masters, but I have a hard time seeing one quality in this game that would bolster sales. Are we gonna blame the fall of Mega Man Zero and MMZX bombing on the GBA and the DS as well? Maybe there was something inherently wrong and/or rapidly boring with the formula? Maybe MMPU just didn't look interesting?
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Who knows for sure, really. I never blame the system first, except for extreme examples where the system was doomed from the start (Rayman on the Jaguar, for instance). There's nothing inherently unbelievable in the notion that this particular remake could be thought of as unappealing: it's a remake of the prequel to the game that really kickstarted the series when it should have been a remake of MM2, and it's got an overly cute artstyle which has to polarizing (or at least not universally pleasing). It effectively brings nothing of importance to the series but is just a re-imagining of an old game, a sort of "what-if" nostalgia trip that I'm not sure is ever a good idea commercially. Heck, even more straightforward ports like Maverick Hunter X and Medievil (don't know why that sprung to mind) bombed. I'm sure the system bears some of the blame, but it's only secondary. I'm not saying there's nothing cool about the game, because I liked the idea of playing as the robot masters, but I have a hard time seeing one quality in this game that would bolster sales. Are we gonna blame the fall of Mega Man Zero and MMZX bombing on the GBA and the DS as well? Maybe there was something inherently wrong and/or rapidly boring with the formula? Maybe MMPU just didn't look interesting?
The only reason PU was a failure, is because they didn't DO anything else with it. IT had the perfect set-up to become a pillar for a digital release success, much like the Bionic Commando Re-Armed games.
Why they haven't taken a team to continue classic Megaman Remakes / New Games in that style... Just seems odd. Megaman Universe should have been in that style, even!
A Megaman Powered UP 2V (Stands for 2Vita, and 25!) would be absolutely great...
Seriously. They just released Megaman Xover. What more could you guys possibly want?
R.I.P. megamn ;_;
lazybones18
Banned
I can't say happy birthday to a dead hooker....or can I?
Tizoc
Member
@SAB CA- Bah god man, 2V, you're a genius sometimes sir.
Some interesting points here.
At first I disliked the art direction...but I evetually ended up liking it. The game had a stage creation option, which is it's interesting highlight IMO, furthermore it allowed you to replay the game as any of the Robot Masters, so it had a very good replayablity.
...as for the Zero and ZX series, weren't the Zero series selling well on GBA? Besides GBA had friggin' Pokemon and Mario games, how can it NOT sell? With ZX, it seemed like the same Zero series formula from what I've seen altho I have not played much of ZX 1 or 2 >_>; I guess players had enough of that formula which affected it's sales?
Powered-up's content was VERY good for a remake, it's a shame some people couldn't look past the cutesy designs =/
No seriously I'd play a Megaman 2 remake in the same style as Powered-up if it got released
Some interesting points here.
At first I disliked the art direction...but I evetually ended up liking it. The game had a stage creation option, which is it's interesting highlight IMO, furthermore it allowed you to replay the game as any of the Robot Masters, so it had a very good replayablity.
...as for the Zero and ZX series, weren't the Zero series selling well on GBA? Besides GBA had friggin' Pokemon and Mario games, how can it NOT sell? With ZX, it seemed like the same Zero series formula from what I've seen altho I have not played much of ZX 1 or 2 >_>; I guess players had enough of that formula which affected it's sales?
Powered-up's content was VERY good for a remake, it's a shame some people couldn't look past the cutesy designs =/
XxSlasherMcGirkxX
Member
We should be happy that a classic Mega Man game was made this gen and is arguably one of the best Mega Man games ever. (MM9)
R.I.P. Mega Man your legacy will live on forever. Capcom can never erase you from our memories.
Thing is, making it digital in the first place would have been a failure. It's like admitting that nobody cares about it if it's not a quirky 10-buck release. It would have been as stupid as what SEGA did with Sonic 4. It works for Bionic Commando because it was never as iconic as MM, the last real game was Bionic Commando for the NES (GB?), and Bionic Commando 3D was a bad spin-off. The main Bionic Commando series was already dead and buried. Mega Man was strong enough to see a physical release, especially a mainline title.
I'll never understand what's so hard to get about the idea that maybe if you want a successful 2D Mega Man game you must be new and ambitious without going too far in some directions. All recent 2D Mega Man games did some stuff right, but at no point was everything brought together into one cohesive, ambitious package that looked, sound and felt both like a modern game and a bona fide sequel to the most popular entries: MM Zero/ZX made you play as pseudo-heroes with a Metroid-like structure, an artstyle that I dare say was too radical (though less so than MMPU) and a story that nobody ever cared about, MMPU was just a remake with useless additions (stage editor) and an artstyle that would work on any game for toddlers, MM9-10 were nostalgia trips with no ambition or production values (and I actually liked 9 on a personal level and will be playing SFvsMM).
I've asked this countless times, and every time it's met with dumbfounded responses, but why didn't Capcom ever go the New Super Mario Bros. route (possibly with more new content than the NSMB games)? I think a 2D Mega Man with decent production values, some meaningful additions (co-op gameplay, for instance), a physical release for more visibility, familiar gameplay without any extreme stylistic choices that harkens back to the old titles without being a straight remake would have had a shot at bringing back the series for good. It appears we'll never know for sure though. I think it was worth a shot.
@Tizoc: best-selling MM games aside from the classic series and MMX were the Battle Network games, and those were really a Japanese phenomenon first and foremost. Z and ZX wouldn't have stopped if they hadn't seen declining sales, especially ZX which only saw 2 entries. But yeah, Zero performed decently at first... Just nowhere near as much as MM, MMX and MMBN. Those were really the only MM series that ever were really successful.
BassForever
Member
Cheesemeister
Member
The Blue Bomber is 25 years old today, December 17th.
Capcom's Rockman Series Official Portal Site
Capcom USA's Mega Man Series Official Portal Site
Mega Man Community Thread
Mega Man 25th Anniversary Playthrough Topic
Also indispensable...
MMHP: The Mega Man Home Page
Okkusenman!
Airman ga Taosenai
Wikipedia: List of Mega Man video games
Wikipedia: Robot Master
The Original Series
[NES] Mega Man
JP: 12/17/1987
NA: 12/1987
EU: 12/13/1989
And who can forget this boxart?
DRN-001 Mega Man (Rock)
DRN-002 Roll
DRN-003 Cut Man
DRN-004 Guts Man
DRN-005 Ice Man
DRN-006 Bomb Man
DRN-007 Fire Man
DRN-008 Elec Man
[NES] Mega Man 2
JP: 12/24/1988
NA: 7/1989
EU: 12/14/1990
Or these beauties?
DWN-009 Metal Man
DWN-010 Air Man
DWN-011 Bubble Man
DWN-012 Quick Man
DWN-013 Crash Man
DWN-014 Flash Man
DWN-015 Heat Man
DWN-016 Wood Man
[NES] Mega Man 3
JP: 9/28/1990
NA: 11/1990
EU: 2/20/1992
DRN-000 Proto Man (Blues)
DWN-017 Needle Man
DWN-018 Magnet Man
DWN-019 Gemini Man
DWN-020 Hard Man
DWN-021 Top Man
DWN-022 Snake Man
DWN-023 Spark Man
DWN-024 Shadow Man
[NES] Mega Man 4
JP: 12/6/1991
NA: 1/1992
EU: 1/21/1993
DWN-025 Bright Man
DWN-026 Pharaoh Man
DWN-027 Drill Man
DWN-028 Ring Man
DWN-029 Toad Man
DWN-030 Dust Man
DWN-031 Dive Man
DWN-032 Skull Man
[NES] Mega Man 5
JP: 12/4/1992
NA: 12/1992
EU: 11/18/1993
DWN-033 Gravity Man
DWN-034 Wave Man
DWN-035 Stone Man
DWN-036 Gyro Man
DWN-037 Star Man
DWN-038 Charge Man
DWN-039 Napalm Man
DWN-040 Crystal Man
[NES] Mega Man 6
JP: 11/5/1993
NA: 3/1994
DWN-041 Blizzard Man
DWN-042 Centaur Man
DWN-043 Flame Man
DWN-044 Knight Man
DWN-045 Plant Man
DWN-046 Tomahawk Man
DWN-047 Wind Man
DWN-048 Yamato Man
[SNS] Mega Man 7
JP: 3/24/1995
NA: 9/1995
DWN-049 Freeze Man
DWN-050 Junk Man
DWN-051 Burst Man
DWN-052 Cloud Man
DWN-053 Spring Man
DWN-054 Slash Man
DWN-055 Shade Man
DWN-056 Turbo Man
[PSX][SAT] Mega Man 8
JP: 12/17/1996
NA: 2/27/1997
DWN-057 Tengu Man
DWN-058 Astro Man
DWN-059 Sword Man
DWN-060 Clown Man
DWN-061 Search Man
DWN-062 Frost Man
DWN-063 Grenade Man
DWN-064 Aqua Man
[360][PS3][WII] Mega Man 9
NA: 2/22/2008
JP: 2/24/2008
EU: 2/25/2008
DWN-065 Jewel Man
DWN-066 Magma Man
DWN-067 Hornet Man
DWN-068 Splash Woman
DWN-069 Plug Man
DWN-070 Galaxy Man
DWN-071 Concrete Man
DWN-072 Tornado Man
[360][PS3][WII] Mega Man 10
NA: 3/1/2010
EU: 3/5/2010
JP: 3/9/2010
DWN-073 Blade Man
DWN-074 Pump Man
DWN-075 Commando Man
DWN-076 Chill Man
DWN-077 Sheep Man
DWN-078 Strike Man
DWN-079 Nitro Man
DWN-080 Solar Man
Spin-offs...
[PC] Mega Man, Mega Man 3
[NES] Rock Board
[GB] Mega Man in Dr. Wily's Revenge, II~V
[GEN] Mega Man: The Wily Wars
[SNS] Mega Man Soccer, Rockman & Forte
[PSX] Rockman Battle & Chase, Super Adventure Rockman (also [SAT]), Rockman Complete Works
[ARC] Mega Man: The Power Battle, Mega Man 2: The Power Fighters
[NPC] Rockman Battle & Fighters
[WS] Rockman & Forte: Challenger from the Future
[PS2][NGC][XBX] Mega Man Anniversary Collection
[PSP] Mega Man Powered Up!
[PSP] Mega Man Maverick Hunter X
The X Series
[SNS][PC] Mega Man X
JP: 12/17/1993
NA: 12/20/1993
EU: 1/1/1994
Chill Penguin
Launch Octopus
Storm Eagle
Armored Armadillo
Flame Mammoth
Sting Chameleon
Spark Mandrill
Boomer Kuwanger
[SNS] Mega Man X2
JP: 12/16/1994
NA: 3/1995
EU: 3/1995
Morph Moth
Wire Sponge
Bubble Crab
Flame Stag
Magna Centipede
Crystal Snail
Overdrive Ostrich
Wheel Gator
[SNS][PSX][SAT][PC] Mega Man X3
JP: 12/1/1995
NA: 11/30/1995
EU: 4/26/1996
Blast Hornet
Blizzard Buffalo
Gravity Beetle
Toxic Seahorse
Volt Catfish
Crush Crawfish
Tunnel Rhino
Neon Tiger
[PSX][SAT][PC] Mega Man X4
JP: 8/1/1997
NA: 7/31/1997
EU: 1997
Web Spider
Split Mushroom
Cyber Peacock
Storm Owl
Magma Dragoon
Frost Walrus
Jet Stingray
Slash Beast
[PSX][PC] Mega Man X5
JP: 11/30/2000
NA: 2/1/2001
EU: 8/3/2001
Grizzly Slash
Duff McWhalen
The Skiver
Izzy Glow
Dark Dizzy
Squid Adler
Mattrex
Axle the Red
[PSX][PC] Mega Man X6
JP: 11/29/2001
NA: 12/4/2001
EU: 2/8/2002
Commander Yammark
Ground Scaravich
Blaze Heatnix
Blizzard Wolfang
Rainy Turtloid
Metal Shark Player
Shield Sheldon
Infinity Mijinion
[PS2][PC] Mega Man X7
JP: 7/17/2003
NA: 10/14/2003
EU: 3/5/2004
Soldier Stonekong
Tornado Tonion
Ride Boarski
Splash Warfly
Wind Crowrang
Flame Hyenard
Snipe Anteator
Vanishing Gungaroo
[PS2][PC] Mega Man X8
JP: 3/10/2005
NA: 12/7/2004
EU: 2/11/2005
Optic Sunflower
Dark Mantis
Gravity Antonion
Gigavolt Man-O-War
Burn Rooster
Avalanche Yeti
Earthrock Trilobyte
Bamboo Pandamonium
Spin-offs...
[GBC] Mega Man Xtreme, Mega Man Xtreme 2
[PS2][NGC] Mega Man X Collection, Mega Man X Command Mission
[PSP] Mega Man Maverick Hunter X
The Legends Series
[PSX][N64][PC][PSP] Mega Man Legends
[PSX][PC][PSP] Mega Man Legends 2
Spin-off...
[PSX] The Misadventures of Tron Bonne
The Battle Network Series
[GBA] Mega Man Battle Network
[GBA] Mega Man Battle Network 2
[GBA] Mega Man Battle Network 3: White Version/Blue Version
[GBA] Mega Man Battle Network 4: Red Sun/Blue Moon
[GBA] Mega Man Battle Network 5: Team ProtoMan/Team Colonel
[GBA] Mega Man Battle Network 6: Cybeast Falzar/Cybeast Gregar
Spin-offs...
[NGC] Mega Man Network Transmission
[WS] Rockman EXE WS, Rockman EXE N1 Battle
[GBA] Mega Man Battle Chip Challenge, Rockman EXE 4.5 Real Operation
[NDS] Mega Man Battle Network 5: Double Team DS
[ARC] Rockman EXE The Medal Operation, Rockman EXE Battle Chip Stadium
The Zero Series
[GBA] Mega Man Zero
[GBA] Mega Man Zero 2
[GBA] Mega Man Zero 3
[GBA] Mega Man Zero 4
The ZX Series
[NDS] Mega Man ZX
[NDS] Mega Man ZX Advent
The Star Force Series
[NDS] Mega Man Star Force: Pegasus/Leo/Dragon
[NDS] Mega Man Star Force 2: Berserk x Shinobi/Berserk x Dinosaur
[NDS] Mega Man Star Force 3: Black Ace/Red Joker
Fight on, little guy!
PS: Dear Capcom, if you're reading this, how 'bout bringing back Mega Man Legends 3?
Seven Force
Banned
Since I have low expectations overall, how 'bout re-releasing those GB Mega Man games on Virtual Console, Capcom?
This has got to be a joke? Did you look at the games on that list. over 90% of them are re-releases or minigames with a mega man skin slapped over them "Mega man Solitaite mobile" and Mega Man "Poker Mobile" along with Mega Man X Over are this year's big releases. Along with ports to the Japanes 3DS eshop.
A fan game wouldn't be on Steam. They'll probably just provide a link to the download on their site or something.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
This thread reads like a damn funeral.
I'll say that if it weren't for Mega Man 2, I wouldn't be into video games right now. Quoting from the childhood thread:
I want a new Mega Man game.
I'll say that if it weren't for Mega Man 2, I wouldn't be into video games right now. Quoting from the childhood thread:
I want a new Mega Man game.
KojiKnight
Member
It'll be on the capcom community site as a straight download.
Aquamarine
Member
Ever since Inafune (creator of Mega Man) left Capcom in October 2010, Mega Man has been on life support.
Mega Man 10 (March 2010) was the swan song of the franchise.
Whatever Capcom hopes to do, I hope they'll allow Inti to revisit the Zero/ZX formula again. I'm a bit tired of the 8-bit nostalgia at this point, and want Inti to have a chance to experiment again.
I also wouldn't mind Takeshi Horinouchi and his team getting a REAL chance to revisit the EXE/Battle Network saga. Operate Shooting Star did NOT count.
I also wouldn't mind Takeshi Horinouchi and his team getting a REAL chance to revisit the EXE/Battle Network saga. Operate Shooting Star did NOT count.
lordfroakie
Member
Original Megaman died so young
Contrary to me riding with the cool kids and making jokes at your expense, Happy Birthday Megaman. I still believe in you.
After messing around a bit in BN3 & 6, I'd definitely love to see another EXE flavored game especially with infrastructures there between 3DS & Vita for Netbattling to not be a clunky affair. That idea was literally one generation ahead of itself.
Main/robot side of the series wise? I still want to see Astro Boy'd Megaman. One franchise with unified elements, defined roles for the strong (or at least extremely well recognized) characters that have littered themselves through the games and a truly "modern" 3D take on the best parts of Megaman's 2D gameplay.
This is of course supplemented with New! Megaman as the 2D call back series with all the attention given to it as needed to make sure they do the actual 2D games that came before justice.
After messing around a bit in BN3 & 6, I'd definitely love to see another EXE flavored game especially with infrastructures there between 3DS & Vita for Netbattling to not be a clunky affair. That idea was literally one generation ahead of itself.
Main/robot side of the series wise? I still want to see Astro Boy'd Megaman. One franchise with unified elements, defined roles for the strong (or at least extremely well recognized) characters that have littered themselves through the games and a truly "modern" 3D take on the best parts of Megaman's 2D gameplay.
This is of course supplemented with New! Megaman as the 2D call back series with all the attention given to it as needed to make sure they do the actual 2D games that came before justice.
Dark Octave
Banned
Hope you aren't expecting Capcom to give you anything like how Sony gave that Gaffer a Vita for his touching story.
Anyway, happy b-day to Megaman, my favorite videogame character of all times.
KojiKnight
Member
Whatever Capcom decides to do... it's almost certainly going to be a 1-shot. They aren't going to release several mega man series at once. They made it quite clear they don't have any F***ing idea what to do with Mega Man and they felt part of the problem was over saturation before. So we'll likely get 1 new series (battle net/EXE seems out because they said they want it to be a "jumping and shooting" game) and then when that bombs because they did something very stupid to ruin it, they'll finally euthanize him.
Or who knows, maybe they'll make a sweet new mega man/legends 3 and all will be forgiven.
(Edit) Dark Octave: If he was goodie hunting, he wouldn't have ended it on a F*** you
Or who knows, maybe they'll make a sweet new mega man/legends 3 and all will be forgiven.
(Edit) Dark Octave: If he was goodie hunting, he wouldn't have ended it on a F*** you
AgentOtaku
Member
Best thing to come out this year was the ongoing Arche Comics (techincally it started last year, I know) of which I still have a subscription for my son.
I just love how Capcom has no idea what to do with him. Red headed stepchild ever since Infunking left.
I just love how Capcom has no idea what to do with him. Red headed stepchild ever since Infunking left.
Zombie James
Banned
Grew up with the series and I still love (most of) the originals and a few of the first X-series ones. I'm still waiting for the game that ties them together, though.
AgentOtaku
Member
KojiKnight
Member
Not likely to happen just because I doubt Capcom wants to kill off the entire original Mega Man cast on screen (remember, X is not Mega Man and there is no mention or sight of any of the other original Mega Man cast)
I'm dressed for the occasion !
AwesomeOpening Post retrospective Cheese !
The Blue Bomber is 25 years old today, December 17th.
Awesome
Happy 25th Magaman. And happy...19th to Mega Man X, my lord and savior.
FML.
That being said, there's so much more I want to see from the Mega Man franchise.
-Classic: return of the Powered Up! remakes. That first one may be one of my favorite Mega Man games ever.
-X: X9, and beyond. I'm even down for a Command Mission 2! Just work on that soundtrack, CM's OST was surprisingly dismal compared to most MM fare.
-Legends: I'll go with Legends 3.
-EXE: I realize EXE is one of the few series to actually end, but the multiplayer aspect and the general world it created are things that I still miss. Wouldn't mind seeing some sort of spin-off someday, one that works out better than Star Force. And to think I was hostile to the series at first. (a spin-off within the EXE series...?)
FML.
That being said, there's so much more I want to see from the Mega Man franchise.
-Classic: return of the Powered Up! remakes. That first one may be one of my favorite Mega Man games ever.
-X: X9, and beyond. I'm even down for a Command Mission 2! Just work on that soundtrack, CM's OST was surprisingly dismal compared to most MM fare.
-Legends: I'll go with Legends 3.
-EXE: I realize EXE is one of the few series to actually end, but the multiplayer aspect and the general world it created are things that I still miss. Wouldn't mind seeing some sort of spin-off someday, one that works out better than Star Force. And to think I was hostile to the series at first. (a spin-off within the EXE series...?)
AgentOtaku
Member
This should be the permanent art style.
This game
this fucking game
...it ...means so much to me T__T
Everytime I hear this theme, I get a little choked up ...especially since it's my son's favorite game as well.
Seven Force
Banned
I wouldn't mind seeing another X series game, personally. Classic had his revival, the Zero series ended, and I personally thought the ZX games were kinda ass. A small, downloadable title would be nice.
KojiKnight
Member
Powered up and Maverick Hunter X were both the wrong games on the wrong platform... I did my part and bought them, but PSP was simply the wrong platform for what they wanted... also no US release for MML1 and 2 on PSP made me very sad as well.
SolarPowered
Member
I hear they never come back quite "right". Better to leave him six feet under.
Cheesemeister
Member
Thanks. I was going to post a thread, but this one was out of the gate first.
WrenchNinja
Member
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
One of, if not the, best RPG battle systems ever created.
I really love the level editor theme, and how it changes according to how many of the screens are filled. So relaxing and cheerful at the same time.
Powered Up! Level editor theme
Powered Up! Online map sharing / Level Editor Menu theme is also nice.
Spiffy retrospective, Cheesemeister.
Who am I kidding, I want EXE7. Just shit all over the plot and ignore the ending, it's the only way to do proper Megaman story.
transience
Member
Is anybody making a SFxMM OT?
Also, has capcom unity said anything about when the game will be available?
Also, has capcom unity said anything about when the game will be available?
Diomedeskun
Member
Happy 25th, Megaman. I spent 400 yen on Rockman 3 on my 3DS to celebrate. Then I swore at the disappearing blocks in Magnet Man's stage. So good.
The MMU inspired art for 2 is painful to look at. I would trade two thirds of my gaming collection for a Powered Up 2 and 3. Perhaps they exist in a parallel world where Maverick Hunter X 2 and 3, Legends 3, Klonoa 2 for Wii, Suikoden VI, Castlevania 1999, and Bomberman Wii:U all exist.
The MM
U inspired art for 2 is painful to look at. I would trade two thirds of my gaming collection for a Powered Up 2 and 3. Perhaps they exist in a parallel world where Maverick Hunter X 2 and 3, Legends 3, Klonoa 2 for Wii, Suikoden VI, Castlevania 1999, and Bomberman Wii:U all exist.AgentOtaku
Member
KojiKnight
Member
*salute*
megaStryke
Banned
Hi! I made that! I'm just gonna post the original source here:
http://www.destructoid.com/mega-man-game-history-ver-2-25th-anniversary-edition-240654.phtml
http://www.mediafire.com/view/?0erfl3r8fc16r#7q7ilf44hi1440g (9000 x 7000, 9 MB!!!)
