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[Stinkles]

You mean you aren't our servant because we bought your game and you like to interact with us?

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Actually in a way, I am your servant. Or at least your monkey-butler. You gave us $60 (or $40 through the non-bomba rolling promo via Amazon and other retailers) so we owe you a game, support, communication and respect. You will ALWAYS get that. The community is so large and varied we can't make everyone happy all of the time, but on gaf, I am a poster with some insight, not a PR person. Not a marketing wonk.

So I will continue to post in that role.

 

[Major Williams]

If you want to know why I don't post as much any more - it's this level of discourse. And this sin't even a bad example. I post here as a member of the community. It's not actually a part of my job. Before you go off and say "YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO..." etc, of course me and any member of the studio are supposed to take care of the needs of the community, we do, and we take it seriously and will continue to do so nonstop, through long hours, holidays, etc.

But is it too much to ask for conversation to remain civil? I simply try to speak to people as I would in real life. That's all.

This isn't something unique to gaf, or Halo, it's a general trend in everything from movies, to music to politics, and since it's not in my area of responsibility, I am choosing to avoid responding to this tone. While simultaneously reacting to its content as a practical aspect of the job.

So no matter how salty the conversation, the topics are being addressed and taken seriously, but the tone of discourse has plummeted over the years. I think new folks are used to it, or entered into it when it was like this, but I am old and farty and I remember how excited and optimistic folks used to be about this hobby.

I love you

Spoiler

hetero only sorry

. And you respond to my PMs

Serious gamers expecting serious answers all the time leads to feelings of entitlement and selfishness. I love the hobby and am willing to give feedback and discuss like an intellectual - I see one worded answers to my well worded and thought out opinions like "Nope." or "Did you play Halo."

When answers like that happened I just kind of... stopped posting as much.

 

[IHaveIce]

If you want to know why I don't post as much any more - it's this level of discourse. And this sin't even a bad example. I post here as a member of the community. It's not actually a part of my job. Before you go off and say "YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO..." etc, of course me and any member of the studio are supposed to take care of the needs of the community, we do, and we take it seriously and will continue to do so nonstop, through long hours, holidays, etc.

But is it too much to ask for conversation to remain civil? I simply try to speak to people as I would in real life. That's all.

This isn't something unique to gaf, or Halo, it's a general trend in everything from movies, to music to politics, and since it's not in my area of responsibility, I am choosing to avoid responding to this tone. While simultaneously reacting to its content as a practical aspect of the job.

So no matter how salty the conversation, the topics are being addressed and taken seriously, but the tone of discourse has plummeted over the years. I think new folks are used to it, or entered into it when it was like this, but I am old and farty and I remember how excited and optimistic folks used to be about this hobby.

I think you shouldn't feel to have to answer some of the salty stuff, I remember situations where people attacked you for game designing decision while you are not even one of the designers.

I hope you stick around and post when you feel like it, the community is still goofy and likes to have fun.
And I for one would love to do some discussion about for example Halo's lore or just other stuff.

But I can understand that right now the Halo threads are partly annoying, but many people see you posting and see the first possibility to make their opinion about the game clear in a tone that sometimes isn't very respectful.

 

[malfcn]

I am a poster with some insight, not a PR person. Not a marketing wonk.

So I will continue to post in that role.

Thank you, Frankie.

 

[The Lamonster]

If you want to know why I don't post as much any more - it's this level of discourse. And this sin't even a bad example. I post here as a member of the community. It's not actually a part of my job. Before you go off and say "YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO..." etc, of course me and any member of the studio are supposed to take care of the needs of the community, we do, and we take it seriously and will continue to do so nonstop, through long hours, holidays, etc.

But is it too much to ask for conversation to remain civil? I simply try to speak to people as I would in real life. That's all.

This isn't something unique to gaf, or Halo, it's a general trend in everything from movies, to music to politics, and since it's not in my area of responsibility, I am choosing to avoid responding to this tone. While simultaneously reacting to its content as a practical aspect of the job.

So no matter how salty the conversation, the topics are being addressed and taken seriously, but the tone of discourse has plummeted over the years. I think new folks are used to it, or entered into it when it was like this, but I am old and farty and I remember how excited and optimistic folks used to be about this hobby.

This should be stickied at the top of every page in the Halo |OT|. It's embarrassing that it even has to come to this. I'm not going to go as far as saying "for shame, HaloGaf," but some of you are so freaking rude about Halo 4, knowing full well that some of the developers lurk and sometimes even post here. It's fine to be critical, probably even welcomed, but some of you guys are being sarcastic assholes about something in which we obviously all share the same passion.

2012 HaloGaf truly is a different place than 2007 HaloGaf. Remember Ghal's epic screenshot posts telling stories of his encounters throughout campaign and multiplayer? Remember when we used to talk about all the possibilities in the next game instead of all the things the current game did wrong? It just used to be a much more optimistic and fun place. And there are lots of reasons for that gradual change. But that's not going to stop me from posting here and following the thread because I am still obsessed with Halo, dammit.

My pops was a single dad and he did a darn good job.

 

[CyReN]

Actually in a way, I am. You gave us $60 (or $40 through the non-bomba rolling promo via Amazon and other retailers) so we ower you a game, support, communication and respect. You will ALWAYS get that. The community is so large and varied we can't make everyone happy all of the time, but on gaf, I am a poster with some insight, not a PR person. Not a marketing wonk.

So I will continue to post in that role.

This may be a weird time to ask this but are there plans to actually use a PR person for problems/questions with Halo 4 (in a fashion like Treyarch Vonderhaar). Us personally on our twitter with THC have tried to help people with responses in the last month with Specialization, Map Packs, Playlist changes, etc since there's not a real outlet for that side of the internet which is becoming more popular.

 

[Plywood]

Halo 4 has plenty of issues right now, but it will be lovingly cared for and globally and continually (including weekly fixes on certain issues).

but why

 

[wwm0nkey]

If you want to know why I don't post as much any more - it's this level of discourse. And this sin't even a bad example. I post here as a member of the community. It's not actually a part of my job. Before you go off and say "YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO..." etc, of course me and any member of the studio are supposed to take care of the needs of the community, we do, and we take it seriously and will continue to do so nonstop, through long hours, holidays, etc.

But is it too much to ask for conversation to remain civil? I simply try to speak to people as I would in real life. That's all.

This isn't something unique to gaf, or Halo, it's a general trend in everything from movies, to music to politics, and since it's not in my area of responsibility, I am choosing to avoid responding to this tone. While simultaneously reacting to its content as a practical aspect of the job.

So no matter how salty the conversation, the topics are being addressed and taken seriously, but the tone of discourse has plummeted over the years. I think new folks are used to it, or entered into it when it was like this, but I am old and farty and I remember how excited and optimistic folks used to be about this hobby.

I like this guy.

 

[TheOddOne]

Actually in a way, I am your servant. Or at least your monkey-butler. You gave us $60 (or $40 through the non-bomba rolling promo via Amazon and other retailers) so we owe you a game, support, communication and respect. You will ALWAYS get that. The community is so large and varied we can't make everyone happy all of the time, but on gaf, I am a poster with some insight, not a PR person. Not a marketing wonk.

So I will continue to post in that role.

All I want to know is if kilts are going to be fashionable for the upcoming holidays?

 

[Reagan's BR]

I feel like there would be a lot less salt and ill will if Halo 4 was as good as Halo 1-3.

 

[MaximumFlipFlop]

Can we stop the bullshit myth that the only criticism towards this game comes in short, unoriginal, unthoughtful posts? I've seen some incredibly well thought out criticisms and support for the game here. I feel like people hop in and just jump to conclusions these days. Stick around a bit.

 

[Ozzy Onya A2Z]

If you want to know why I don't post as much any more - it's this level of discourse. And this sin't even a bad example. I post here as a member of the community. It's not actually a part of my job. Before you go off and say "YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO..." etc, of course me and any member of the studio are supposed to take care of the needs of the community, we do, and we take it seriously and will continue to do so nonstop, through long hours, holidays, etc.

But is it too much to ask for conversation to remain civil? I simply try to speak to people as I would in real life. That's all.

This isn't something unique to gaf, or Halo, it's a general trend in everything from movies, to music to politics, and since it's not in my area of responsibility, I am choosing to avoid responding to this tone. While simultaneously reacting to its content as a practical aspect of the job.

So no matter how salty the conversation, the topics are being addressed and taken seriously, but the tone of discourse has plummeted over the years. I think new folks are used to it, or entered into it when it was like this, but I am old and farty and I remember how excited and optimistic folks used to be about this hobby.

I'd just like you and other developer(s) staff here to know there are some of us here that respect your personal activities on forums and that you're not just here to service our Halo consumerism. When you do choose to comment regarding Halo it is highly appreciated. After all every forum poster would be chasing you guys for their "important answers". It's a real sign of maturity for David and yourself to still be posting here, especially given the recent posting attitude of many members of this, and other, Internet forums.

The Internet anonymous soapbox and recent generations are just so disrespectful, flippant and entitled it's gotten way past ridiculous.

Hopefully you guys'n'gals do read the quality posts and get some useful feedback for Halo in between having a good personal laugh as some of the better community members here. Thanks for hanging around and I've always highly respected your demeanour and comments on/off the Halo field since your early days at Bungie.

 

[Fracas]

This should be stickied at the top of every page in the Halo |OT|. It's embarrassing that it even has to come to this. I'm not going to go as far as saying "for shame, HaloGaf," but some of you are so freaking rude about Halo 4, knowing full well that some of the developers lurk and sometimes even post here. It's fine to be critical, probably even welcomed, but some of you guys are being sarcastic assholes about something in which we obviously all share the same passion.

2012 HaloGaf truly is a different place than 2007 HaloGaf. Remember Ghal's epic screenshot posts telling stories of his encounters throughout campaign and multiplayer? Remember when we used to talk about all the possibilities in the next game instead of all the things the current game did wrong? It just used to be a much more optimistic and fun place. And there are lots of reasons for that gradual change. But that's not going to stop me from posting here and following the thread because I am still obsessed with Halo, dammit.

I know I'm being an ass here, and I'm mainly joking but:

-We can't take screens of campaign
-Even if we could, fileshares are down
-Ghaleon doesn't really play Halo now
-We talked about all the possibilities, but not many came true

2012 Halo truly is different than 2007 Halo.

 

[Fuchsdh]

B-b-but it's Frankie's fault that everything terrible's in the game, right?

I LIKE HALO 4 AND HAVE FUN. I could bitch a blue streak about Chief's armor and retcons and campaign design, etc, but at the end of the day it's a video game, and it entertains me.

 

[Reagan's BR]

2012 Halo truly is different than 2007 Halo.

2012 Halo is bad.

 

[bobs...onGaf]

If you want to know why I don't post as much any more - it's this level of discourse. And this sin't even a bad example. I post here as a member of the community. It's not actually a part of my job. Before you go off and say "YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO..." etc, of course me and any member of the studio are supposed to take care of the needs of the community, we do, and we take it seriously and will continue to do so nonstop, through long hours, holidays, etc.

But is it too much to ask for conversation to remain civil? I simply try to speak to people as I would in real life. That's all.

This isn't something unique to gaf, or Halo, it's a general trend in everything from movies, to music to politics, and since it's not in my area of responsibility, I am choosing to avoid responding to this tone. While simultaneously reacting to its content as a practical aspect of the job.

So no matter how salty the conversation, the topics are being addressed and taken seriously, but the tone of discourse has plummeted over the years. I think new folks are used to it, or entered into it when it was like this, but I am old and farty and I remember how excited and optimistic folks used to be about this hobby.

Just want to preface by saying I love you man.

I think for me its hard to be optimistic and excited when a franchise I have followed for so many years takes a direction I dislike. I know for myself a lot of the optimism came from a time when I was a lot more into Halo.

I also think its easier to make a flippant comment whilst mobile browsing and move on. I apologise for any brash comments I make - because it really isn't fair to do that. There have been tons of constructive posts framed in a reasonable manner but I think in your shoes the negativity would get to me. All I can say is that I think we appreciate people like you personally coming in here and basically being a part of the community - but I think there is a degree of 'feeling shafted' that comes when you get Microsoft throwing their weight around and making up promotions to cover obvious mistakes (especially if you are from Europe!)

I mean, even if you were not involved with 343 I would want to buy you a beer, and I hope you realise vitriol isn't directed at you. I think there is a degree of expectation that you guys have stepped into just by following Bungie's footsteps and I would imagine you are in a harder position than they are in terms of communication because of 'the parents'.

I also feel like beyond the obvious Microsoft missteps that the game design is clearly out to capture a new market - and I don't blame the designers there for that - and its cool that you personally make an effort to come in and talk to us long time fans - but when a product clearly moves away from what captured peoples imaginations in the first place, the longer term fans are going to feel left out in the cold. I don't want to get into the game design discussions here, but it is also particularly jarring to have things which have been raised multiple times over long periods of time go ignored.

I stick around here for the community - and I appreciate Halo 4 because im kind of in crunch mode at the moment with work and its nice to be able to throw it in and play it - but a lot of why I actually love Halo is gone and I really am just going through the motions. I really do hate to say it, because you have been nothing but awesome, but the game itself is not doing much for me - and the many marketing missteps are really putting me off as a consumer.

As long as you avoid ElzarTheSumbag like the plague I will always have a lot of respect for you and others at 343.

 

[Pop]

Can we stop the bullshit myth that the only criticism towards this game comes in short, unoriginal, unthoughtful posts? I've seen some incredibly well thought out criticisms and support for the game here. I feel like people hop in and just jump to conclusions these days. Stick around a bit.

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Some features aren't even working in H4 and removing legacy features is mind-boggling.

Ugh

 

[u4iX]

If you want to know why I don't post as much any more - it's this level of discourse. And this sin't even a bad example. I post here as a member of the community. It's not actually a part of my job. Before you go off and say "YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO..." etc, of course me and any member of the studio are supposed to take care of the needs of the community, we do, and we take it seriously and will continue to do so nonstop, through long hours, holidays, etc.

But is it too much to ask for conversation to remain civil? I simply try to speak to people as I would in real life. That's all.

This isn't something unique to gaf, or Halo, it's a general trend in everything from movies, to music to politics, and since it's not in my area of responsibility, I am choosing to avoid responding to this tone. While simultaneously reacting to its content as a practical aspect of the job.

So no matter how salty the conversation, the topics are being addressed and taken seriously, but the tone of discourse has plummeted over the years. I think new folks are used to it, or entered into it when it was like this, but I am old and farty and I remember how excited and optimistic folks used to be about this hobby.

I wasn't trying to be curt with that post. It was an honest question. I was a proponent for playing the game the way it was designed, the way it was meant to be played, "Vanilla Halo 4" right out of the box.

Watch older episodes of Social Skirmish, videos on my personal YouTube channel, and videos on the Halo Council preceding the "Thanksgiving Roast." I've attempted to remain RELENTLESSLY positive towards Halo 4. I encouraged; I straight up TOLD people to buy the Limited Edition, because at the time, the deal WAS amazing. Then, if you played the game prior to a certain date, LE bonuses were stripped, then the issues with the DLC occur, and armor is revoked.

There's no shortage of egg on faces here, and trust me, I'm not fuming. There's no omelettes being made. It was an honest question.

You said with the Reach TU you wanted the players to have choice, and Kevin Franklin has stated, I believe in his interview with Bravo, something along the lines of "we want you to try it our way, then we'll listen to your feedback."

So, without a modicum of hostility, I asked what changed?

I can assume it's because you felt proud of what you made, believed the changes you'd implemented to MP, opting to replace Firefight with Spartan Ops, and various others; that those changes were THE RIGHT changes. That's blatantly understandable.

Don't ignore the countless hours that have been put into positivity and constructive criticism because a bulk of the community are limited to 140 characters to communicate.

What frustrates me, and I'm sure it frustrates others in the community, is maybe a lack of honesty? A lack of understanding?

I get it, it's PR, the whole "14 Day Buy and Try," but isn't it better to have your customers feel like you can be honest with them; that they can trust you?

The fact that the closest thing we have to an apology is quasi-apologetic post in a small corner of the internet doesn't sit well with me, but that's personal opinion.

Also, consider everything we're NOT complaining about a giant success. If the internet is quietly promoting, then you've done good. Like you said, this is the internet. To expect them... us, to act any other way is foolish.

I don't check the YouTube comments on videos to brighten my day, I check them to see what I could be doing better.

So no matter how salty the conversation, the topics are being addressed and taken seriously, but the tone of discourse has plummeted over the years. I think new folks are used to it, or entered into it when it was like this, but I am old and farty and I remember how excited and optimistic folks used to be about this hobby.

I'll tell you exactly why this is.

It's because you're most outspoken, dedicated fan base... which isn't the hardcore competitive community, which isn't MLG, which isn't anything BUT the people who grew up on Halo; the people who WANT to see Halo succeed, are worried and with each game, each update, each bulletin, there is nothing to ease that worry.

I'm sorry if I struck a nerve, but when the hand touches a hot, Halo: Reach stove, the brain tries to remember not to make the same mistake again.

<3

 

[Fracas]

2012 Halo is bad.

It's been said so many times, but there is a really good game in there somewhere.

The question is, how far is 343 willing to go to get there? And how long are players willing to wait?

 

[kylej]

u4ix had a totally legitimate question.

 

[TheOddOne]

2012 Halo needs work.

Fixed.

 

[Tha Robbertster]

It's been said so many times, but there is a really good game in there somewhere.

The question is, how far is 343 willing to go to get there? And how long are players willing to wait?

Halo Reach was a good game as well when you removed AA's, bloom and upped the movement speed. MLG Reach was almost perfect imo.

This is not directed at you, but it bothers me when people say Reach was utter garbage and say at the same time that Halo 4 could be a good game with a lot of updates.

 

[bobs...onGaf]

Halo Reach was a good game as well when you removed AA's, bloom and upped the movement speed. MLG Reach was almost perfect imo.

This is not directed at you, but it bothers me when people say Reach was utter garbage and say at the same time that Halo 4 could be a good game with a lot of updates.

Halo Reach MLG had issues, the nades and slow shield charge times stopped it from really being that great in my eyes.

 

[wwm0nkey]

Im going to be honest in saying that I do love HaloGAF but all the "lol game blows" stuff while obviously trying to make a point is probably not the best thing to do. The best thing for the community and developers would be to list problems in a nice comprehensive way or drop a LOT of hints. I tried this by pointing out No Spriny/ Instant Spawn modes and hosting customs for them and also posting about the Far Cry 3 editor and file sharing system.

I mean I can't really blame anyone who honestly doesn't enjoy the game because I mean if you don't you just don't, but at least make it easy for developers to understand WHY. I mean I am horribly disappointed with Forge, custom game options and the inclusion of Instant Spawning but I wont go "lol 343 sux" even if it is meant to be playful because that doesn't always translate all too well online.

Not telling anyone how to do anything though, just posting my thoughts about HaloGAF recently.

 

[Fracas]

Halo Reach was a good game as well when you removed AA's, bloom and upped the movement speed. MLG Reach was almost perfect imo.

This is not directed at you, but it bothers me when people say Reach was utter garbage and say at the same time that Halo 4 could be a good game with a lot of updates.

I agree. I posted earlier that the TU was the only thing keeping me playing Reach.

With the right settings, Reach is a blast (especially MLG). Halo 4 can be a lot of fun with proper settings.

By that same token, in my opinion both vanilla Halo 4 and vanilla Reach are terrible.

 

[Tawpgun]

Can we stop the bullshit myth that the only criticism towards this game comes in short, unoriginal, unthoughtful posts? I've seen some incredibly well thought out criticisms and support for the game here. I feel like people hop in and just jump to conclusions these days. Stick around a bit.

I think its a matter of joke responses too. People here say RIP Halo and there are people who take that seriously for some reason.

Another thing I'll say is that this community did get more pessimistic. But I don't think its because of the people posting. I can't speak for Halo 3 GAF but I joined here in the first few months of Reach, the game we all loved to hate, and we would be posting stories of our donging etc etc etc. It was a lot more pleasant here. But to be fair, the majority of the top posters are people I remember from that time. So I don't think its necesarily the posters fault.

I think some people here think the dislike of the game is unfounded, that many here are hating it just to hate it because it seems like the popular thing to do. No one wants to hate a game in a franchise they love. I think the game has a lot of issues which it seems Frankie has acknowledged, albeit in a very general way, so we have no idea what 343 regards as "issues." But there is definitely a reason for the increased salt from this community and I think the biggest problem stems from the game.

Truth be told, its not just the game, its the entire industry heading in a direction long time Halo fans are not a fan of. I remember there was a bitter rivalrly among CoD fans and Halo fans. Halo fans stood by things like skill, balance, and fairness as shining examples of what makes Halo so great. Then with Reach, we got a little codified with the armor abilities in loadouts, but for the most part it was alright. Armor Lock, Camo, and Jetpack were obnoxious though. Similar to how many felt about bubble shield and regen in Halo 3.

Halo 4 though, it just went far too CoD. Personal Ordnance Drops, Perks, custom classes. Then our weapon on map were made random. Things like the Red X were removed without reason.

I think people here are just sad seeing Halo going in a direction they opposed ever since CoD4 challenged Halo 3.

 

[Ryaaan14]

Oh lord.

This feels like the month after Reach was out except it's a better game and the community feels even more entitled.

 

[TheOddOne]

Halo Reach was a good game as well when you removed AA's, bloom and upped the movement speed. MLG Reach was almost perfect imo.

This is not directed at you, but it bothers me when people say Reach was utter garbage and say at the same time that Halo 4 could be a good game with a lot of updates.

What drives it home for me with 4 is that gameplay part is so good. With Reach I dread to go back to the gameplay of that.

 

[gAg CruSh3r]

Im going to be honest in saying that I do love HaloGAF but all the "lol game blows" stuff while obviously trying to make a point is probably not the best thing to do. The best thing for the community and developers would be to list problems in a nice comprehensive way or drop a LOT of hints. I tried this by pointing out No Spring/ Instant Spawn modes and hosting customs for them and also posting about the Far Cry 3 editor and file sharing system.

I mean I can't really blame anyone who honestly doesn't enjoy the game because I mean if you don't you just don't, but at least make it easy for developers to understand WHY. I mean I am horribly disappointed with Forge, custom game options and the inclusion of Instant Spawning but I wont go "lol 343 sux" even if it is meant to be playful because that doesn't always translate all too well online.

Not telling anyone how to do anything though, just posting my thoughts about HaloGAF recently.

I agree with you a 110% about what you just said. Halo 4 is a amazing game but it needs a little polishing here and there and needs a few add-ons to the game to make most people happy.

 

[MaximumFlipFlop]

I think its a matter of joke responses too. People here say RIP Halo and there are people who take that seriously for some reason.

Another thing I'll say is that this community did get more pessimistic. But I don't think its because of the people posting. I can't speak for Halo 3 GAF but I joined here in the first few months of Reach, the game we all loved to hate, and we would be posting stories of our donging etc etc etc. It was a lot more pleasant here. But to be fair, the majority of the top posters are people I remember from that time. So I don't think its necesarily the posters fault.

I think some people here think the dislike of the game is unfounded, that many here are hating it just to hate it because it seems like the popular thing to do. No one wants to hate a game in a franchise they love. I think the game has a lot of issues which it seems Frankie has acknowledged, albeit in a very general way, so we have no idea what 343 regards as "issues." But there is definitely a reason for the increased salt from this community and I think the biggest problem stems from the game.

Truth be told, its not just the game, its the entire industry heading in a direction long time Halo fans are not a fan of. I remember there was a bitter rivalrly among CoD fans and Halo fans. Halo fans stood by things like skill, balance, and fairness as shining examples of what makes Halo so great. Then with Reach, we got a little codified with the armor abilities in loadouts, but for the most part it was alright. Armor Lock, Camo, and Jetpack were obnoxious though. Similar to how many felt about bubble shield and regen in Halo 3.

Halo 4 though, it just went far too CoD. Personal Ordnance Drops, Perks, custom classes. Then our weapon on map were made random. Things like the Red X were removed without reason.

I think people here are just sad seeing Halo going in a direction they opposed ever since CoD4 challenged Halo 3.

I agree. And I think people should note that even when we show our dislike towards aspects of the game, we very quickly jump on those who make personal attacks towards the devs. We love the franchise, it's just hard to love the decisions that are made sometimes. But that never warrants threats or complete assholery towards the devs. No dev should have to stick their dicks and/or boobs in woodchippers.

 

[Tha Robbertster]

Halo Reach MLG had issues, the nades and slow shield charge times stopped it from really being that great in my eyes.

Shield recharge time was a tad long, but that can be easily adjusted in the custom settings. Grenades never bothered me much in MLG, except for the bouncing (or lack of it), but not much could be changed about that.

What drives it home for me with 4 is that gameplay part is so good. With Reach I dread to go back to the gameplay of that.

I'd always be in for some MLG customs in Reach. Most fun I've had with Halo in the last 2 years.

 

[MrGreencastle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Kj3mJP6fzWk#!

 

[BigShow36]

If you want to know why I don't post as much any more - it's this level of discourse. And this sin't even a bad example. I post here as a member of the community. It's not actually a part of my job. Before you go off and say "YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO..." etc, of course me and any member of the studio are supposed to take care of the needs of the community, we do, and we take it seriously and will continue to do so nonstop, through long hours, holidays, etc.

But is it too much to ask for conversation to remain civil? I simply try to speak to people as I would in real life. That's all.

This isn't something unique to gaf, or Halo, it's a general trend in everything from movies, to music to politics, and since it's not in my area of responsibility, I am choosing to avoid responding to this tone. While simultaneously reacting to its content as a practical aspect of the job.

So no matter how salty the conversation, the topics are being addressed and taken seriously, but the tone of discourse has plummeted over the years. I think new folks are used to it, or entered into it when it was like this, but I am old and farty and I remember how excited and optimistic folks used to be about this hobby.

There's a difference between lack of civility and criticism. There's nothing I want more than to understand why Halo went the way it did, why the developers made the changes they made, but I have never had an honest, straightforward answer on any question I've ever asked, no matter how civil it was. I've been asking, probing and begging for nearly 10 years at this point.

Just like you, I gave up after a while. Why should I bother with legitimite questions and civil discussion when I simply get dismissed with a sarcastic brush-off or an empty promise that everything is going to be fine? I'm past the point of pretending that civil, well-thought out criticism will get a legitimate response because it never has.

I want nothing more than to love Halo again, but in leiu of that, I'd like to at least know why the people making it thought it needed to change so much.

 

[TheOddOne]

I agree. And I think people should note that even when we show our dislike towards aspects of the game, we very quickly jump on those who make personal attacks towards the devs. We love the franchise, it's just hard to love the decisions that are made sometimes. But that never warrants threats or complete assholery towards the devs. No dev should have to stick their dicks and/or boobs in woodchippers.

What.

 

[Enfinit]

Actually in a way, I am your servant. Or at least your monkey-butler. You gave us $60 (or $40 through the non-bomba rolling promo via Amazon and other retailers) so we owe you a game, support, communication and respect. You will ALWAYS get that. The community is so large and varied we can't make everyone happy all of the time, but on gaf, I am a poster with some insight, not a PR person. Not a marketing wonk.

So I will continue to post in that role.

Enfinit liked this post on 12/19.

 

[Overdoziz]

Shield recharge time was a tad long, but that can be easily adjusted in the custom settings. Grenades never bothered me much in MLG, except for the bouncing (or lack of it), but not much could be changed about that.

You can't actually adjust when your shields start recharging in custom settings for whatever reason. You can only change how fast they will recharge once they've begun doing so.

 

[CyReN]

MLG Refinery Show

 

[GhaleonEB]

If you want to know why I don't post as much any more - it's this level of discourse. And this sin't even a bad example. I post here as a member of the community. It's not actually a part of my job. Before you go off and say "YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO..." etc, of course me and any member of the studio are supposed to take care of the needs of the community, we do, and we take it seriously and will continue to do so nonstop, through long hours, holidays, etc.

But is it too much to ask for conversation to remain civil? I simply try to speak to people as I would in real life. That's all.
This isn't something unique to gaf, or Halo, it's a general trend in everything from movies, to music to politics, and since it's not in my area of responsibility, I am choosing to avoid responding to this tone. While simultaneously reacting to its content as a practical aspect of the job.

So no matter how salty the conversation, the topics are being addressed and taken seriously, but the tone of discourse has plummeted over the years. I think new folks are used to it, or entered into it when it was like this, but I am old and farty and I remember how excited and optimistic folks used to be about this hobby.

Amen to the bolded. And against this perspective, HaloGAF is pretty terrible these days. I try to talk to people as if I were sitting across a table from them. And that's not just rhetorical - we've met, and do actually meet and talk with a number of folks here face to face each year. I try not to post stuff I'd be embarassed to discuss with you, or anyone else, in person. (I admit I sometimes fail this test.)


I wish more folks had that perspective. Of course, maybe they do have the same standard and are just dicks in real life.

 

[xxjuicesxx]

Halo 4 needs 5 or 6 developer created small arena symetrical and slightly symetrical maps. You have placed way too many eggs in the BTB basket. Real gamers feel slighted.

Respawn Options that work.

An in-game instant-feedback ranking system.

Ordnance to be removed and weapons on map to replace Ordnance system.

Fileshare fixed.

Sprint default disabled option. Sprint AA ability added.

Flag "evolution" to be optional, auto-pickup on-off option, flagnum option on-off. Flag waypoint indicator option on-off.

4v4 playlist of Slayer/Objective mix, a mercenaries playlist, a real FFA playlist.

Powerups back in Forge. To be placeable. I don't see how this is even that hard to add?

Livestreaming

Better Framerate.

Increased movement speed.

Better netcode.

 

[Schmitty]

We still love you Frankie

Spoiler

I miss your Weekly What's Updates

I think the problem is that we love Halo so much that we hate to see it change dramatically.

 

[Tha Robbertster]

You can't actually adjust when your shields start recharging in custom settings for whatever reason. You can only change how fast they will recharge once they've begun doing so.

Really? I always assumed that was a custom option as well. That's something good 343 added to Halo 4 than.

 

[wwm0nkey]

We still love you Frankie

Spoiler

I miss your Weekly What's Updates

I think the problem is that we love Halo so much that we hate to see it change dramatically.

No, there are just some actual problems with the game too. Like Filesharing.

 

[Overdoziz]

Really? I always assumed that was a custom option as well. That's something good 343 added to Halo 4 than.

You can't do it in Halo 4 either and the Shielding perk only decreases time it takes for the shields to recharge once they've start recharging.
Really wish they would go back to pre-Reach shield recharge rate.

 

[Tha Robbertster]

You can't do it in Halo 4 either and the Shielding perk also only decreases time it takes for the shields to recharge once they've start recharging.

What? I can remember changing the time at which the shields start recharging.

 

[Hey You]

Any chance we'll get a Bulletin from you Frankie since Angel is on vacation?

 

[JB1981]

Got some good halo 3 connections today. Nice.

 

[Ozzy Onya A2Z]

It's because you're most outspoken, dedicated fan base... which isn't the hardcore competitive community, which isn't MLG, which isn't anything BUT the people who grew up on Halo; the people who WANT to see Halo succeed, are worried and with each game, each update, each bulletin, there is nothing to ease that worry.
<3

I'm dedicated to Halo, I've been around since day one xbox CE and I'm outspoken on B.net and Waypoint etc. I'm not worried at all. Game has been out a 5 or 6 weeks and it's now XMAS holidays plus the developer has plenty of early next year updates, weekly changes and have stated ongoing support.

I have fun with Halo 4, just like I did Reach, just like I did 3 or 2 or CE. They've all had their + and -. Sure my friends list over the years has more COD games when they're online but the same core friends I played with in previous games are the same I'm playing with today. Why those same friends? Because we're all happy with a new experience each game and realise it's about the fun of competition, not just competition for the winner skilled sake all the time.

Sure some smaller maps, tweaks and classic iterations but that's coming so what's the big deal right now? Some features to get patched, ok so it's not perfect but no Halo or video game has ever been that way, so relax and have some fun with your favourite franchise.

 

[heckfu]

I'm sorry I broke the community.

 

[MaximumFlipFlop]

What.

Everybody involved in the decision to add flinch to Halo, or the approval of that decision, should be forced to place their dick and/or tits in a wood-chipper.

It is, bar none, the worst festering piece of shit mechanic to ever be added to ANY Halo game, ever. And that includes armor lock.

.

 

[xxjuicesxx]

I'm sorry I broke the community.

Happy Birthday?!

doin it rite?