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VGLeaks: PlayStation 4 "Orbis" Roadmap

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Duffyside

Banned
For Sony's sake, they better rethink their RAM approach. You ain't gonna even come close to winning next-gen by focusing on games over multi-tasking, and with the tablet market on the rocket upwards, you might just die on the vine. Vita style.
 
Karak

Karak

Member
meta4 said:
Oh man this is exciting. Next gen GOW and GeOW is going to be soooo insane!

I just want to imagine GAF's reaction if both Sony and MS do not announce their new consoles at E3. There will be a internet crash.
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They will and even if it NEVER comes out if Sony shows a "working" Last Guardian. The world may crash.

Or if one of them show Shenmue it will be like a Final Fantasy 7 magic spell FMV.
 
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abadguy

Banned
Perkel said:
This company which will deliver more and better exclusives as fast as possible will win. If anything this generation proved that who is first/last who has name and how much marketshare it had is worthless.

My bet is Sony. They did their homework and they expanded their studios. And a lot of Sony dev studios are now creating games for next gen console from Sony.

GT6, Uncharted 4, New IP from GG, Other QD project, Media Molecule project and many more have more than 2 years of dev time before PS4 release.


As of hardware. If rumor is true 4GB of GDDR5 would be sweet spot combined with 4GB DD3 memory.
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I think people are ignoring the fact that MS has been on a hiring spree as of late with industry talent, and have opened up more than a few first party studios in the last few years. Wouldn't underestimate them as far as games go.
 
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goomba

Banned
BloodMoney said:
Current rumor's dont appear to support that setup, but i agree it would be a great solution. Run the OS on the DDR3 and let developers allocate the DDR5 as they see fit.
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Again I don't care about what rumors say , they originally pointed to 8-16GB RAM. I just want 4GDDR plus 2GB of something else for OS as the minimum baseline for a console that I would see as next gen over Wii u.
 
Karak

Karak

Member
Omegasquash said:
I'm trying to read through the thread, look at things and get lots and lots of input. Then I stumble on this gem right here.

It's true...I'll likely pick them both up. Probably not day one, but both for sure.
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Same here. I will buy both. We are far from final specs, IMHO, and seeing games and so forth, so its bit premature for me to discount one or the other.
 
AgentP

AgentP

Thinks mods influence posters politics. Promoted to QAnon Editor.
TimeEffect said:
"The PS4 has less RAM but is using faster GDDR ram, so the overall performance should be a wash."

What this mean?

I dont understand tech, is one more significantly more powerful? Will Sony be crippled by RAM again? Multitasking sounds important. Will third party play to any strengths of systems or serve the lowest common denominator?
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The bandwidth of the RAM could play a much larger part of "performance" than the amount. While you can have issues if you have too little, you gain nothing from having too much ram. Benchmark a PC w/ 32GB RAM vs a 4GB RAM system, they will be the same.

Now pit a 1GB 384-bit VRAM video card w/ 200GB/s bandwidth vs the same 1GB GPU tied to 128-bit 25GB/s VRAM, the frame rates will be night and day.

Now I know I'm mixing system RAM and VRAM, but for the purposes of a console with a shared pool the idea holds true. You can optimize for a smaller memory pool(streaming, smaller OS, etc.) and you can also optimize for low bandwidth (triangle culling, FXAA instead of MSAA).
 
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Clay Davis

Member
SniperHunter said:
yea I guess you are right, I just didn't have time for games in 2012 :/
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you were both right in that it wasn't as good as it previous years with regard to big releases, but it was still a great year, especially for downloadable titles.

2012 is probably the year which will be looked upon as the year where live arcade and psn became a real contender to retail gaming. in my opinion at least.
 
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KillerMan91

Member
abadguy said:
I think people are ignoring the fact that MS has been on a hiring spree as of late with industry talent, and have opened up more than a few first party studios in the last few years. Wouldn't underestimate them as far as games go.
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Well there is difference when you create completely new studios and when you already have those studios up and running and they have done several games during their existence. Not saying that new studios of MS will release crap but sometimes it takes several shots before you create something great.
 
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Ashes

Banned
Shion said:
But using GDDR5 for OS tasks doesn't make sense. Why would they go that route?

If they don't include a different pool of RAM dedicated to the OS, then, I can see these 4GB of RAM being divided into 2/3GB of GDDR5 + 2/1GB of DDR3.
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Doesn't that depend on how much you know about how console OS(s) operate?

;)

see other thread for details...
 
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Duffyside

Banned
USC-fan said:
Ram size is not whst you should look at... it about how fast the ram is....

8gb of slow ram is useles.
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The OP calls it a wash, though specifies that Sony's should be slightly better for pushing sick-graphixx, and MS's should be better for multitasking within the OS.

Is this wrong?
 
Karak

Karak

Member
KillerMan91 said:
Well there is difference when you create completely new studios and when you already have those studios up and running and they have done several games during their existence. Not saying that new studios of MS will release crap but sometimes it takes several shots before you create something great.
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Call me crazy. But these past few years, some of the newest devs have released the best stuff. Just my opinion of what I have enjoyed.

Duffyside said:
The OP calls it a wash, though specifies that Sony's should be slightly better for pushing sick-graphixx, and MS's should be better for multitasking within the OS.

Is this wrong?
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No with what we have now. That is about that.
 
Duxxy3

Duxxy3

Member
At this point the controller is more important than specs for me. That will be the deciding factor for my purchase.

If Sony refuses to make a western/fps friendly controller i simply will not be back. They can do whatever they want in japan, but i need working triggers and a larger controller.
 
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Iacobellis

Junior Member
Myabe Sony will us upgrade the RAM, and I'm not talking about a propriety accessory like the N64 had. Hard drive upgrades were painless and costed a lot less than on the 360.
 
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sleepykyo

Member
Half the RAM? Is that a big enough difference that developers/publishers will finally pass on the system instead of releasing broken ports?
 
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jaosobno

Member
sleepykyo said:
Half the RAM? Is that a big enough difference that developers/publishers will finally pass on the system instead of releasing broken ports?
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Fuck, is everybody missing "GDDR5" part on purpose? I can already see gaming press following this route (lead by the likes of IGN and Kotaku) writing bombastic articles; PS4 has half X720 RAM!!! PS4 iz teh doom3d!
 
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Zophar

Member
I love all the people rushing in to say "half the RAM?! What is this shit Sony is doomed!" without even reading the thread.
 
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BloodMoney

Banned
jaosobno said:
Fuck, is everybody missing "GDDR5" part on purpose?
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I was thinking the same thing. A number of people don't seem to understand Ram/Bandwidth.
GDDR5 is a significant upgrade over DDR3... 4 gigs of DDR5 is BIG.

My N670 with 2gigs of GDDR5 chews up PC games on ultra settings and spits them out at 1920x1600 with a minimum framerate of 60.
It also cost $400 on its own... no console, no os.

If sony puts 4gig of GDDR5 in the PS4 and sells it at $400... thats a big WIN
 
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meta4

Junior Member
Karak said:
They will and even if it NEVER comes out if Sony shows a "working" Last Guardian. The world may crash.

Or if one of them show Shenmue it will be like a Final Fantasy 7 magic spell FMV.
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Lol.Agreed. The only question now is if these rumored specs are true WiiU is in trouble in terms of third party support. Surely it will not be able to get ports of reasonable quality based on these specs. I feel Nintendo missed the bus here. They should have atleast gone for more power and innovated on AR or VR route which could have had more of an impact on casuals instead of going the tablet controller route.

Duffyside said:
For Sony's sake, they better rethink their RAM approach. You ain't gonna even come close to winning next-gen by focusing on games over multi-tasking, and with the tablet market on the rocket upwards, you might just die on the vine. Vita style.
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Sad but true and I feel Sony may mess up on this aspect.
 
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Gorillaz

Member
Alot of people should honestly check out the other ps4 thread to understand what type of RAM it is. Not just how much of it there is.


All and all shit will go DOWWWWWN this e3. If both launch at the same time the media and news wil go insane over it. Good for industry.
 
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nhlducks35

Member
jaosobno said:
Fuck, is everybody missing "GDDR5" part on purpose? I can already see gaming press following this route (lead by the likes of IGN and Kotaku) writing bombastic articles; PS4 has half X720 RAM!!! PS4 iz teh doom3d!
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Are these the same people who think a 3.2GHz Pentium 4 is faster than a 1.6GHz Ivy Bridge?
 
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TimeEffect

Member
Karak said:
One is faster than the other and if MS doesn't use another kind of memory architecture it will have more but slower ram and some edram(like the 360) for speed. Many guesses as to the size that will be. It will be VERY interesting seeing what games run a particular way on each system. Even more interesting if its true that the Orbis has 4G's of GDDR and no additional ram. Simply due to OS needs and the growth you can expect there in the years to come.

But currently, right now, these are just rumors and the specs are just specs. It is a great boon to everyone right now but there are a good deal of unknowns.
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Is faster RAM better? What is the purpose of speed vs size?
 
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mugoldeneagle03

Member
Holding off until 2014 & riding out a $200 PS3 bundle for awhile certainly wouldn't hurt, nor would my wallet since I plan on buying both systems at launch.

Q1 2014 please!
 
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kitch9

Banned
Duffyside said:
For Sony's sake, they better rethink their RAM approach. You ain't gonna even come close to winning next-gen by focusing on games over multi-tasking, and with the tablet market on the rocket upwards, you might just die on the vine. Vita style.
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What?
 
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Maximilian E.

AKA MS-Evangelist
Question:
Is GDDR5 twice as fast (or more) to what MS is having in X8OX?

If not, then I would argue that it is better with more RAM.

Or, any devs here.. If you could only choose one thing, what would it be, more ram or fast ram?
 
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GANGSTERKILLER

Member
2013 will be a unbelievable year with possibly 2 next-gen console launches.

And all those next-gen games we will see at E3... damn!

iamvin22 said:
yup its called the wii u.
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Respawn

Banned
This thread is amazing. So many of you are clueless about what you're talking about. Half the ram so it must be weak. jeez...
 
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TheGreyHulk

Member
you know what's going to suck.... getting the confirmation of new hardware at e3, but not getting any tech details.

i can see them releasing vague details only like nintendo did. we'll probably waiting until launch break downs to know what's being used.
 
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Uno Venova

Banned
I just need both ram strategies to make it a fast smooth experience using the OS in game, it's ok on the 360 but slow with the PS3, that's one of the few things I care about.
 
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USC-fan

Banned
Duffyside said:
The OP calls it a wash, though specifies that Sony's should be slightly better for pushing sick-graphixx, and MS's should be better for multitasking within the OS.

Is this wrong?
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Not enough info.

B/w is more impottant. I dont think ms would go with 8gb without a large bus. It would be pointless
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Ashes

Banned
Maximilian E. said:
Question:
Is GDDR5 twice as fast (or more) to what MS is having in X8OX?

If not, then I would argue that it is better with more RAM.

Or, any devs here.. If you could only choose one thing, what would it be, more ram or fast ram?
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It isn't simply about performance though. After a certain point, power levels comes into play. Quite the balance...
 
AgentP

AgentP

Thinks mods influence posters politics. Promoted to QAnon Editor.
Maximilian E. said:
Question:
Is GDDR5 twice as fast (or more) to what MS is having in X8OX?

If not, then I would argue that it is better with more RAM.

Or, any devs here.. If you could only choose one thing, what would it be, more ram or fast ram?
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It depends on many factors, but if you compare fast GDDR5 video cards to DDR3 video cards, the bandwidth difference can reach a factor of 10x.
 
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Duffyside

Banned
AgentP said:
It depends on many factors, but if you compare fast GDDR5 video cards to DDR3 video cards, the bandwidth difference can reach a factor of 10x.
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Huh. So it's posible it's not a wash? It could potentially go either way, we just have no idea yet of knowing?
 
Reallink

Reallink

Member
I thought the consensus was that 4GB of GDDR5 was impossible in a console as it'd require like 16 sticks and a ridiculously complicated mobo.
 
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