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Edge #250 - The World's 50 Greatest Developers
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Well it's just the easiest way to show off the combat to skeptics with a short window of attention, without spoiling anything. The campaign is the exact same gameplay, minus a few poorly implemented vehicle sections - and there's 4 campaigns. Not like there isn't anything to show. There's a lot. It's more fun with a co-op partner.
RoboGeorgeForeman
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Honestly I don't care for any of the devs outside of EAD, Platinum, FROM, Wayforward, and Relic so that list means jack shit to me. But, I don't see how anyone could rank Mojang as the second best developer.
Bomber Bob
Banned
edge are you shittin me right?
legacyzero
Banned
LOL @ no Treyarch OR Infinity Ward on that list.
GANGSTERKILLER
Member
I can see why Valve is number 1. But Rockstar should be in the top 3.
And Sumo Digital deserves a spot on that list. Those guys keep the true spirit of SEGA alive. They are great.
And Sumo Digital deserves a spot on that list. Those guys keep the true spirit of SEGA alive. They are great.
CecilRousso
Member
So I'm insane? Good to know.
The only way I would put Nintendo EAD over Valve was if we decided that quantity is the most important factor.
Dick Justice
Banned
A bunch of Mario games. "Best developer of all time." Sounds totally rational.
Can't stop laughing.
My problem with that is that EAD is more like a publishing wing, a studio comprising 500 people working on 10 games simultaneously, many of which are derivative and dull, some of them are brilliant of course. Not really comparable to eg. Relic who has incredible game designers but focuses (usually) on one thing at a time.
I think Edge shouldn't be putting those studios in order of some fictional greatness, just alphabetically to avoid controversy. Even omission of great studios such as Obsidian or Paradox would be glaring.
BruiserBear
Banned
This list has some lol worthy placements. Criterion should be much higher IMO.
Oh come on...
Rocksteady is on there, #18.
In all honesty, what does Treyarch contribute beyond following IW's lead? Zombies?
ElRenoRaven
Member
I know it's late to reply to but I just felt it was a good jumping off point for me so...
Well it's opinion and not fact but yea I wouldn't rate them in the top 50 greatest developers at all. No offense to them I love Minecraft but 1 hit game doesn't make you one of the greatest developers in the world. Also I do agree Valve may be starting to get a bit overrated. I love Valve too but if you look at entire history of the developer then you have to give it to Nintendo as the #1 developer. They've created more hit franchises then just about anyone. They have such rich and great IPs that it isn't funny. You name the Genre they have something in it or have had something in it. I think the one thing they're really missing is a good FPS franchise.
Doctor Decimate
Member
this is a goddamn awful list
legacyzero
Banned
Pretty much. Although I think Treyarch are better with handling the community and feedback that IW ever was.
I only posted that because of some of the ridiculous entries on the list, I'm surprised either of them weren't included in it
Jesus this post just screams of weeaboo and "I never play western/arcade/pc games". Trials was the best arcade game in many awards, Minecraft is a revolutionary game and Valve puts such care in their game design and innovation that even the most avid hater must acknowledge that.
The fact that SE wasn't on the list is awesome. They are just a shadow of their former self and knee deep in shit titles atm.
With Infinity Ward, I'm not even surprised that they are not on this. I mean, it appears to me that they have basically been in a coma since West and Zampella left in 2010.
Sapphire Dreams
Member
So? I disagree with them.
It definitely made sense for them to be on a list like this as late as 2010. Nowadays? Not so much, especially with MW3 spinning the wheels compared to their other entries in the franchise.
Right off the bat starting with a weak ass personal insult instead of sticking to the arguments. This shows that the rest of your post is weak as well.
If I don't think Trials, basically Excitebike HD with zany track designs, is among the best games of all time, I'm a cultural reject? Excitebike was made in 1984, almost 30 years ago. Why is Trials supposed to put Redlynx in the top 50 developers? Because they can create a few roller coaster levels and toss it into a 30 year old game design?
Why not? In my opinion a novelist who wrote one outstanding novel is greater than another who wrote ten decent ones. Similarly here quantity shouldn't determine greatness.
I never really got into Minecraft though, so I'm not to judge that specific choice.
Dave Meltzer
Banned
I don't understand why Valve is on the list at all. I love TF2 but Valve in 2013 is barely even a game developer. They just take other people's work and try and figure out how to best profit off it.
I mean I imagine in Edge's mind they're counting Steam, but that just seems backwards.
I mean I imagine in Edge's mind they're counting Steam, but that just seems backwards.
Sentenza
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ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
Quantum Dream over Retro makes me sad
Four of my favorite games ever from Retro...
Four of my favorite games ever from Retro...
Phoenician_Viking
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Halo 4 is amazing game visually (don´t know about the gameplay, since i don´t have the 360), but 343I released only one game. How can one call a developer one of the greatest if the developer released only one game?
Quantum Dream over Retro makes me sad
Four of my favorite games ever from Retro...
Retro just needs for their next game to be a big reminder of why people were shocked at how good Metroid Prime turned out, rather than something relatively easy like making a good DKC game.
SniperHunter
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agreed, Valve doesn't deserve the top spot
Dave Meltzer
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I'm totally down with Steam. I love Steam. I like all the things Valve has done with it.
But as a game developer? I don't even count Dota 2 given how derivative of DotA it is, so it's hard for me to be excited about them since Portal 2. If you're going to widen the criterion to be "this video game company is most influential in the industry", then sure. Valve's great. But game developer? Umm
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Valve has been developing for games for a long time and they give you a complete product when they do release something. They don't feed you piece meal unfinished products. They also support the product years after, with product updates and additions.
The "take other people's work and try and figure out how to best profit off it." can also be looked at two different ways. I think you're looking at it very blase and negative approach, while others can see that as taking a concept, and bringing them into a family of developers and creating a finished product from it.
You don't see too many negative stories coming out of the Valve offices...because they treat their employes well and don't "profit off others ideas" in the same light that some other studios might. Zynga, Gameloft, and EA for example, have a bad rep for that...
Valve deserves to be on the list. Number 1? I dunno, maybe? Whatever it is, they definitely deserve to be there.
Barack Lesnar
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Can someone tell me how Valve fits this criteria, especially fit it enough to be #1 overall? Assuming this is only for their games and not Steam.
Edit- Seems this point is being discussed a lot already, nevermind.
But DKCR was awesome
I'm not saying it isn't, but making a good DKC game isn't exactly inspiring in the same way that blowing everyone away with making Metroid work in 3D and as a FPS did. If they can get their next project to have that same kind of impact, then we're sure to see that level of adoration return.
Dave Meltzer
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I'm not saying they're not a great company. If this was "top 50 game companies" I'd have them number one. Game developers? In 2007 they were number one for sure, nowadays I see them as a distribution company first, developer second.
Obviously DOTA2 is the most innovative and creative piece of gaming ever, so #1 for Valve using those criteria is fully justified.
Graphics is the only notable thing about halo4, especially since the campaign is so bad and the feature set so narrow compared to the previous games. Multiplayer design is just another call of duty clone.
zerokoolpsx
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How is Ninja Theory on the list? No CD Projekt or Obisidian?
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Even though I'm not a fan of their games, I think From might have deserved the top spot for being simultaneously able to push video games forward (with a return to difficulty and their online stuff) and have polished games that a ton of people enjoy.
Arkane seems really really high after just one game.
Arkane seems really really high after just one game.
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
Mojang is surprising but I think Valve is a valid contender in anyone's top dev list.
But seriously, Mojang shouldn't even be in the top 10.
I think Edge might also be getting at the creativity of Valve to allow others to more easily develop games/game items via Steam workshop as well. Although when Valve makes a game themselves, they really make a great game.
revolverjgw
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"Polish" and "From" don't go together in my head. There are entire areas in their console games with framerates in the teens, a neogaf poster had to fix their PC DS port, and they aren't even balanced... playing as a pyro, I practically broke Dark Souls' difficulty level without even trying. And I'd argue Dark Souls goes to shit in later areas like Lost Izalith, but that's getting too subjective.
I like their games, but they're pretty jank.