Yes! But I'm still so fucking bad at this game lol, never got a full match for deathball together
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Halo |OT14| They call it Halo
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I know for a fact that if Halo 4 actually resembled Halo 3 then two of my housemates who were avid players of the latter, would've bought the game. They saw me playing it, however, and despaired. If you're looking to assuage the disappointments of Reach, Halo 4 is a pretty diabolical tool to use.
FIFA is brilliant, everyone needs to get on that.
Hydranockz
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Should I wait until FIFA 14 is released or will that be ages off just yet?
xxjuicesxx
Member
With the #4 weekly position, I have this to say.
Hire Juices.
Hire Juices.
Gomez and Muller need a championship!
It'll be next fall so... I dunno if I'll get it. I'll probably get FIFA games on a 2 year cycle
I'm not big into sports titles, however I never understood how Madden/FIFA/NCAA/NBA2K/etc. fans bought games on a yearly cycle. Games like CoD are one thing given that the yearly cycle alternates between developers, however yearly sports titles have always made me wonder the quality of such games.
I'd be down. Although I use Man. City so I'm a bitch.
I highly doubt it. It'd be a major load of content for it to be free. I'd assume they're going to do a season 2 and have it take place in actual new locations (that we haven't been to before), with a deeper storyline. Probably will put it on the marketplace for 800 MS points.
So Halo 2 is still fun. Started my Legendary runthrough on H2V to get the Legend achievement. Got through the first cutscene and Armory. Then went through Cairo Station with only 2 deaths. Then I did Outskirts without any deaths. I'm actually pretty pumped to do Metropolis after work tonight.
Poker Face
Member
Same here. What changes are made year to year for sports games besides graphics and rosters? I feel like they can't really improve/add that much and justify a 60$ pricetag for a yearly release.
Wonder how Microsoft feels after dumping all of that money into Halo 4 production for it only to be in the 4th spot 2 months after launch.
Hypertrooper
Member
Do you really think that? I cannot imagine it to be honest. Or was it sarcasm?
Hydranockz
Member
Regarding FIFA, plenty of people want up to date statistics for teams and players. Updated graphics and physics would almost be secondary to that. In the past, it wasn't possible to update effectively without a new release. Perhaps a shift is coming? Maybe not.
User 73706
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xxjuicesxx
Member
Stability, knowing they are going to get essentially the same game, with a little better graphics.
I feel some other games could take a closer look at this.
Rickenslacker
Banned
Fans of sports games tend to buy their consoles only for those games. They get their one game a year and are content.
Syphon Filter
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Hypertrooper
Member
Dont go 100% on my word, but thats the estimated amount I got from someone who likes to mod Halo games.
I'm a very casual sports games player (other than NFL Blitz), so the only reason I see justifying yearly purchases would be for exactly what you all said - updated roster/stats, more realistic graphics, and altering the physics if need be.
However, would this theoretically be possible to do without publishing a yearly game? Take FIFA, for example. Would it be possible to alter the physics and update the stats/roster from a yearly or bi-yearly title update, instead of pushing a new physical game? Graphical updates may be harder to accomplish this way, however.
Although it's like comparing apples to airplanes, I could see a future where console games, and in this case it especially applies to sports games, are somewhat like PC games (more specifically WoW), where a player buys one copy and purchases updates/patches/TU's online that are cheaper than the initial copy.
For example, a player buys a physical copy of just FIFA (without a year) for $60 when it is released. 6-8 months later, EA pushes major title update v1.1 that includes new stats, rosters, altered physics, etc., which, in today's industry, would mean a new physical game. However, in this scenario, players may upgrade their FIFA to v1.1 for 1200 MS points, and EA publishes the new FIFA digitally, and it runs off the original FIFA disc. If a player were to purchase the $60 FIFA post v1.1, they would be eligible to upgrade to whatever current version FIFA's at for free.
I'm not necessarily sure if that would make a game more popular, however it would ensure that more players make the transition to the newer title, ala FIFA '12 to FIFA '13. Publishers could then release a new physical copy when something substantial warrants it, i.e. using a new engine or a new generation of consoles. The only downside is that players wouldn't be able to purchase older sports games, like FIFA '10.
Just a theory. For myself, if this were the case I would certainly be more inclined to purchase sports games. But that's just me.
If you go in with no expectations, you'll never be disappointed.
Blue Ninja
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BS Angel is advertising a Lockout remake on Waypoint.
How to download:
1. Go to the Infinity menu on Halo 4
2. Click "Start" and go to "Settings & Files"
3. Go to "File Browser" then "Map Variants"
4. Go to "File Share Search" and type in "Big Papa SaLoT"
5. Download and have fun!!
How to download:
1. Go to the Infinity menu on Halo 4
2. Click "Start" and go to "Settings & Files"
3. Go to "File Browser" then "Map Variants"
4. Go to "File Share Search" and type in "Big Papa SaLoT"
5. Download and have fun!!
Lol.
I wouldn't say for a minute that that building isn't a powerful structure. All I said was that my experience has not been that one team blows the other out because of position.
I had to go pretty far back to find 5 non-SWAT games on that map in my history... but here are the last 5:
655-595 (Regicide)
600-470 (Inf Slayer)
600-300 (Inf Slayer)
300-214 (Oddball)
655-640 (Regicide)
Only one of those is a legitimate blowout (the 600-300 Inf Slayer game), and the Regicide matches are actually really close. (That last one is less than a single King kill.)
::shrug:: With the exception of the middle Inf Slayer match, I don't see anything in there that would warrant a rage quit, and those ARE representative, at least in MY experience, so I'd guess that changes have been made to the map since that Bulletin was written last summer.
That's all I meant. (Well, that and that the interpretation that 343 was giggling at the rout is pretty offensive to the team.)
Well then
I think you're overselling these maps.
Just because we haven't played the maps in Spartan Ops doesn't mean we haven't seen the maps in campaign and matchmaking. I'm fairly confident the environments in Spartan Ops Season 1B aren't new.
Season 2, on the other hand, should be totally new, unseen environments.
And those maps will be used only in Spartan Ops. Which is only, somewhat, fun with multiple players... and then episodes are only available on a weekly timeframe.
They need to go ahead and scrap any and all plans they had to produce a season 2 of Sparty Ops. Split that team in half. 1/2 of them work on the CGI and just release a Waypoint/webisode of the story. The other 1/2 of them work on matchmaking, fileshare, finding balance, custom options.
Yes it's not a 1 to 1 correlation. There are already people working on Spartan Ops cutscenes (modelling, scripting, direction, mo-cap, voice talent, etc.). They stay on that. There are already people (assuming Season 2 is new playspaces) working on new maps - they can use these same skills to work on mutliplayer areas (lighting, geometry, modelling, etc.).
The rest of the talent pool (as you so eloquently pointed out isn't interchangeable) gets either requisitioned to work on things that they know how to do or gets downsized so they studio doesn't continue to pour resources into a gametype that is only marginally used by the community.
What bizarro world do you live in where development personnel are interchangeable and can do everyone else's job?
Is that so?
Is there a way to see your overall weapon stats? I can only figure out how to view my individual playlist weapon stats.
Reagan's BR
Banned
Long post, sorry:
Nothing was ever officially announced but it was hinted at. Megalo, the game type editor for Reach seems to point towards some sort of post release patch though. The whole development of Megalo was intended provide post game support for Reach. They tested it with Halo chess and some of the other gametypes that fell under insane category in the gametype list. It seems highly unlikely that they would have spent so much dev time on Megalo to not actually use it. Megalo was developed specifically to make patches like 343's Reach TU possible. With the way the Halo engine worked before Reach changes like zero bloom would not have been possible without directly editing the .map files which was not really something they could have done. So they had developed the tools to patch the game post launch but they never used it which leads me to believe something happened post launch that made them change their plans. The megalo Q&A seemed, to me at least, to be Bungie hinting at their desire to make a TU and the scope that the TU could have encompassed. So while I say they planned a TU I mean they had planned to do one before the game was even released but it looks like something to do with the upcoming transition stopped them from doing so. We can only guess as to what happened but the most plausible answer is that 343 told Bungie to provide playlist support but not patch support so that 343 could patch Reach for the sole purpose of CEA.
Here is the Q&A, it is an interesting read
Question 3 seems to hint at Bungie originally planning a patch:
So, it looks like Bungie was planning a patch.
The idea of Megalo is pretty awesome. It all works via scripts and isn't too difficult to use. In the interview it mentions that they had a gametype where people dropped random weapons when they died. Apparently that gametype only took 15 minutes from the idea to actually playing it. This actually has some implications for Halo 4. In theory, because Halo 4 uses Megalo too, someone at 343 could write a script that disabled sprint and it wouldn't take too long to complete it. This means true classic settings are possible.
Going back to Reach; here are some posts from David Ellis regarding the CEA update:
As you can see, they could have changed the DMR's rate of fire but chose not too. It wouldn't have been too much extra work to fix that thanks to Megalo. So 343 did not fully commit to the Reach TU despite the fact that they had the tools to do so. If they can change the ROF on one gun they can do it on two. This leads me to believe that the Reach TU was really just a way to push the sales of CEA because the magnum was the essential change to be made. This is why I don't like people saying " You don't understand how hard it is to make a patch!!". I understand they it takes time and testing and that it could take a couple months before they are happy with the changes they have made. They have great tools at their disposal to ease the process though. Actually, we could have had true classic settings at Halo 4's launch if they had really wanted to make them. This is why I am also frustrated with 343 and why I complain often; 343 has the power to make a lot of changes to Halo 4 and could have had classic game types at launch but they have, thus far, chosen not to use the tools they have at their disposal.
Sorry, I kind of jumped around between Bungie's patch, what 343 could already be doing for Halo, and their decision not to change the ROF in CEA slayer. The short of it is Bungie set themselves up to make a patch but something happened that stopped them short of actually making it.
Perhaps someone else can shed some light on the possibility of Bungie patching the game.
Edit:
CreateNowSleepLater
Member
Sucks. Your AAA title on your console. Beaten by a cross platform games and a $20 arcade game. As I said before, this is still sad however I feel about the game. None of us want Halo to die, we just want REAL Halo.
Maybe this wakes 343i up? Surely they can't wait until Halo 5 now, thats 2 years from now min. People move on man.
They don't care much about longevity, they want people to buy the game and then buy a different one within a few months. Why do you think they push so hard to sell "season passes" before the games are even out now. They know that a lot of players will leave the games after a few months, so they sell hard while the hype is high. I don't blame them for it either, it's up to the players to become better consumers.
I want this bastardized shell of "Halo" to die.
App > War Games: Matchmaking > Go to the second page (See the >> above) > Scroll down and there it is.
CreateNowSleepLater
Member
The problem with Spartan Ops is they presented it like it was this great storytelling experience when it really just turned out to be firefight limited. Limited in options etc.
Again, they can fix this. Use the DLC maps more and have the cutscenes in the middle and end of the chapters as well. You really only need to watch the videos to get the story out of it.
There's a problem here, though; Halo games are developed on a 2-3 year cycle. They need longevity. This game is dying (yes, I think at this point "dying" is an appropriate term), and unless there's a major TU/unannounced Halo game for 2013, the player base will move on even more than they already have. I don't even know if this game will be in the top 10 in a few months. It sure as hell won't survive for 2-3 years.
CreateNowSleepLater
Member
No you don't. If MS see's Halo is a dead horse they will put the franchise down. Look at Sony and Twisted Metal. They fucked that game up and Sony would not even give it DLC. You will never see another one. Its all about money.
The answer is 343i has to convince MS to keep developing for the title. I'm sure there are budget issues as they did not plan to have to go back into full time dev to fix half the game. That's not an easy pitch when you hit your sales already.
Plus, most of the people who would buy the maps probably already have.
Rickenslacker
Banned
I think Microsoft is trying to go with an annual release of some kind with 343.
Well, there have been annual releases since Halo 3.
I didn't say they wanted them to buy another Halo game in a few months, just another game on their console. MS knows that in a couple years people will buy the next Halo game, but in the meantime they want them buying other stuff on their console.
Yes, I do. I'd rather have no Halo than what we have now. Let MS focus on a new IP or other projects rather than the continued degredation of my most treasured game.
Orochinagis
Member
Megablocks finally moved to Halo 4's Designs, still no Halo Wars Vulture. =(
With Incoming Black Ops Map Pack, Crysis 3, Aliens in terms of Multiplayer Halo 4 is pretty much screwed.
With Incoming Black Ops Map Pack, Crysis 3, Aliens in terms of Multiplayer Halo 4 is pretty much screwed.
Rickenslacker
Banned
I'm in the same boat, if it meant that all the population sucking up Reach and 4 would be in 3 instead. It wouldn't be ideal, but it would be so much better.
Sr Kitsune
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Kind of shocked that those are my stats. Sniper is way easier to use then in Reach.[/QUOTE]
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Yeah, I also feel like it's easier, especially the beam rifle.
*sigh* I was so naïve, I really trusted them. In my mind I was like "just wait and see, they're going to shut some mouths", everything changed since the game leaked and we started to get details of everything that was removed, and how the game has turned out to be.
I really try to love Halo 4, as I do with every other Halo game, and yet it seems like 343 try its best to make me dislike Halo 4 and the future of Halo.
Steelyuhas
Member
Anyone smart would take a cash option or sell it immediately.
It's not free, season 1 is part of the $60 you pay for the game.
Also, 13 new maps that we haven't played before? lol
Nope, that's only for each gametype. There is no way to look at overall weapon stats for War Games.
When I first saw this gif, I was "Holy shit, they did it. Halo's back!". The gametype BR Slayer implied a return to set starting weapons. The strafe looked so nice, as did the animation. Warhouse appeared to be an instant classic. Then you had Devo's and Domino's writeup, and it appeared 343 had captured lightning in a bottle.
Reagan's BR
Banned
Anyone interested in classic settings should read my post above. I'm echoing a lot of things that have been said in the past, but the short of it is that 343 could easily have implemented true classic settings in both Reach and H4 but has chosen not to.