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[sajj316]

A couple problems OP ...

1. Fail to see how a free game is going to save the Vita or is that a joke?

2. Walmart shoppers not buying something at $249.99 and higher. If the console doesn't sell, why would the games? It's not at the Wallmart price, which is something like 149.99 - $199.99 and below for a handheld. What about Target, Best Buy, ToysRus, GameStop .. or is this more anectodal evidence?

3. Folks in this thread talk about profitability? Please, someone give me the cost breakdown of the Vita 3G and Wifi editions now. More talk of the SCE and Sony Corp. bottom line. Someone please give me Sony's intentions for cost reduction in 2013 to 2014. Case in point, did anyone know about the sale of their corporate NY headquarters before the press release?

4. Vita software sales? Someone please tell me their digital sales? We know retail.

Certainly a lot of assumptions made in this thread. I don't know the answer to these questions. Does anyone?

How does one make these conclusions on a screenshot and a quote from someone that works as an employee of the store?

 

[QaaQer]

It's so depressing that Sony has practically given up on what is possibly the best designed handheld ever. I mean, this is a serious piece of hardware and it has bean forced to die a silent death long before its time. There's zero killer apps and Sony wants to pretend the system was never made in the first place.

It saddens me that the 3DS can actually do so well even though everything on it is rehashed, gimmicky garbage. So depressing.

It is more the fact that the dedicated portable gaming market in general is in terminal decline. The first thing to go when a market starts disappearing is the high end, which in this case is the Vita.

Japan's economy is currently in the process of tanking big time (old people have all the money, debt is 220% of GDP, 3rd recession in 5 years, demographic catastrophe, no net immigration, etc.), so cheap will win their when it comes to game stuff there.

In the rest of the world, handheld gaming units are toys for children. So parents buy the cheap option. And even then, they don't buy many games for it. People who think the 3ds is doing well are deluded because the attach rates are terrible; and game sales are where Nintendo makes the easy money via the platform tax. Problem is, people aren't buying many $40 games for their kid's 3ds.

Going forward, Nintendo's next iteration will be more of the same: cheap as shit hardware targeted at kids. The current trends for them of declining hardware sales, and cratering attach rates will continue. The number of high budget games for the Nintendo systems will be in permanent decline.

As for Sony, they will not be releasing anymore gaming handhelds or funding portable gaming software in the future. Kaz has said their focus is on quality hardware, they will not be come a low end company, and since there is no market for quality handheld gaming devices...

For me, the vita will be my last dedicated portable gaming device. Tablet computers get more powerful and more gorgeous every year. Buying a pos nintendo handheld to play 2 or 3 games on isn't all that appealing to me when the ipad games are good enough, and it does so much more.

Now if I'm wrong, and sony or nintendo release a really nice piece of hardware, and for some reason game companies continue to fund expensive portable titles, then I'll be there with bells on.

 

[Delusibeta]

Yeah but it never went to the point where two out of 3 big competitors had a complete sales turd on their hands no?

Yeah. It's pretty much a case that a console won't sell unless it's cheaper than an iPad Mini, and so far the only new-gen console that's cheaper than an iPad Mini is the 3DS, and sales have noticeably increased. I'd expect Microsoft to complete the trifecta of turds when the Xbox 3 makes a crater in Q1 2014 when it's released at $699 (includes Kinect 2!), never mind the PlayStation 4 which will also bomba in a spectacular way.

 

[Fine Ham Abounds]

From the Monster Hunter thread... a store in Japan:

3DS games -> 7+ shelves

Vita games -> 3 shelves

So it's so bad even their top selling game is somehow their 3rd top selling game?

 

[Duxxy3]

Dedicated handhelds are not dead.

The 3DS is dominant dominant in japan. The rest of the world so far has had decent, if not amazing 3DS sales. Those will pick up when the console is available for under $150 and with a 3DS pokemon out.

The Vita will need a miracle and a really ballsy executive decision to get back to being relevant.

 

[evangd007]

Don't Sony as a big supplier* have leverage, like "hey, Stock A, so when B comes we'll sort you out something nice". Because it sure isn't based on Vita's performance if market rules where the only influence.

*I don't know.

They used to. Not anymore. The same could be said about the PSP and the Vita with respect to third party support: when Sony was the market leader, they were able to get a lot of "good faith" products on the PSP because hey, we're Sony. Now that their star has fallen, they can't use that same leverage to get stuff of the Vita.

The Vita also murdered BigBig Studios after Little Deviants was finished. It tried to murderer Nihilistic Software after Black Ops: Declassified but the studio was only maimed. It did have to change it's identity though.

So following this logic Sony Bend's days are numbered, are they not? It's a bad time to be a Sony handheld studio.

 

[entremet]

Vita was dead from conception. Here's why.

First, the kids and Nintendo fans have Nintendo handhelds and Nintendo treats there handheld with care, meaning they're main teams work on games for the system--EAD, EAD Tokyo, Intelligent Systems, have all made games for the system. Not for Sony--Naughty Dog, Polyphony are MIA. Some even said that the Vita is not even worth their time! Take about being on board. To use a rephrase a famous Kaz quote form the PSP reveal, Sony's elite 1st party team treat the Vita like a gaming ghetto, avoiding it all cost.

Second, their market was eaten up by smartphones/tablets. When the PSP launched, smartphones were not consumer friendly and tablets non existent. The PSP was a great piece of hardware that could be bought outside of contract and promised decent multimedia options. However, that wow factor has been diminished by the ubiquity of smartphones and the rise of tablets. Unlike Nintendo, the Vita is not priced for the youth market, nor do they have bankable youth properties.

Third, their intended market, young 20 something males already have smartphones, mostly like have HD systems with flatscreens as well. The same types of games the Vita boasts, are playable in their big screens. Moreover, the US is not a public commuter culture save for a few cities. So what's the appeal for a handheld that just plays games. I know it has apps, but those apps are already on smartphones, which have better battery life and management than the Vita.

Their most successful market for its predecessor, Japan, seemed like an afterthought. Forgetting that MH saved the PSP, they barely made any effort to secure the next MH for the Vita, letting Nintendo swoop in.

Concluding, that leaves a tiny market, many represented in GAF, who love the system, but making it a niche product, something that is not sustainable for its category of product, especially as retail space gets smaller with newer systems coming out soon.

 

[zroid]

Dedicated handhelds are not dead.

I am praying to all of the gamegods that Pokemon will be the miracle cure for the 3DS in the West. Two Mario games and a series of "casual" games have already failed to really ignite the system's popularity outside Japan. If Pokemon can't do it, I think we can officially hammer that final nail in.

Also: I might need to start seriously thinking about learning Japanese.

 

[ShabbadooJr]

This disheartens me. I really love my Vita and have enjoyed the console level experience on the go. I have an iPad and an iPhone but if I want a deep, immersive experience I pull out my Vita. If I'm standing in line for something I'll pull out my phone. I've bought a ton of games for it and a ton at launch. I have enjoyed the unique experiences. I think the Vita version of Fifa is my favorite version to play, because of the back touch. P I want Sony to support this system but I can see the handheld portion of the business going bye-bye. iOS and Android have disrupted the business model for both Nintendo or Sony, I can't see beyond this generation of handhelds. Unless a hybrid console/portable system gets released.

 

[Velkyn]

First post.

I got a Vita this xmas and I'm really enjoying myself. I play it way more than my 3DS, even though I love both systems.

Don't really care about it being confirmed dead or not, but wasn't there a quote from Kaz at CES that acknowledged that there's a problem and that it can't be judged as dead yet? That could mean that they're going to pump all the money into it like with the PSP, and make something out of it.

I have no expectations that it will _EVER_ surpass the 3DS, but I can see it becoming a good niche system for the next 3-4 years, if Sony steps up the support this year.

Also I don't think anyone wants to see it fail. Having choice works out for the consumer in the end. I've done a lot of lurking, and fanboys who want systems to fail are a small, but vocal group on GAF. Not sure why everyone makes it seem like the majority of gaffers are that way, clearly not true.

 

[zroid]

I have no expectations that it will _EVER_ surpass the 3DS, but I can see it becoming a good niche system for the next 3-4 years, if Sony steps up the support this year.

First of all, welcome!

Second, the problem with a "niche system" is it doesn't totally work unless there is a mainstream market for it somewhere.

The PSP is a niche system in the West, but it was supported by strong performance in Japan, so Sony could afford to keep making and distributing PSPs for NA. The Xbox 360 is a niche system in Japan. But it's performed very well elsewhere, so the same is true, Microsoft could afford to keep it going in Japan.

You can't RELY on a niche market ENTIRELY. Something has to give.

 

[20cent]

So it's so bad even their top selling game is somehow their 3rd top selling game?

LOL that's what I thought too.

 

[Atreides]

It is more the fact that the dedicated portable gaming market in general is in terminal decline. The first thing to go when a market starts disappearing is the high end, which in this case is the Vita.

Wrong, the first thing to disappear is the low end. The high-end customers are the most invested customers, the hardest to convice to drop out of that market. Search a bit about disruption theory.

Japan's economy is currently in the process of tanking big time (old people have all the money, debt is 220% of GDP, 3rd recession in 5 years, demographic catastrophe, no net immigration, etc.), so cheap will win their when it comes to game stuff there.

Japanese economy has been tanking for more than 10 years. This is not something that would affect only this new generation of consoles but not the old one.

In the rest of the world, handheld gaming units are toys for children. So parents buy the cheap option. And even then, they don't buy many games for it. People who think the 3ds is doing well are deluded because the attach rates are terrible; and game sales are where Nintendo makes the easy money via the platform tax. Problem is, people aren't buying many $40 games for their kid's 3ds.

3DS is selling less software than DS, but not less than other handhelds historically. The DS was the outlier here, not the 3DS.

Going forward, Nintendo's next iteration will be more of the same: cheap as shit hardware targeted at kids. The current trends for them of declining hardware sales, and cratering attach rates will continue. The number of high budget games for the Nintendo systems will be in permanent decline.

We'll see about that. High budget games came almost exclusively from Japan for DS, same with 3DS. That means that there will be less high budget games only if it sell less in Japan. Their next handheld will most likey launch with a lower price. But again, 3DS was the handheld with the highest price when it launched for Nintendo. Returning to a lower price is, again, only returning to the norm for handhelds.

As for Sony, they will not be releasing anymore gaming handhelds or funding portable gaming software in the future. Kaz has said their focus is on quality hardware, they will not be come a low end company, and since there is no market for quality handheld gaming devices...

But there is a market for them in Japan, the same that last generation, but Vita is also tanking there. That can't be the only explanation for Vita lower sales.

In Japan, the most probable explanation for Vita tanking is 3DS competition. It came months before, and managed to get games that helped the PSP before.

In the west, I agree that smartphones and tablets are the most likely cause. But that affecs more Vita that 3DS because Vita (like PSP before) is much more of a multimedia device that 3DS, therefore is competing with smartphones much more directly. I remember reports early in PSP life that only about ¿70%? of them were used to play games.

 

[Shoyz]

When they announced it I was scratching my head as to why it didn't have some form of Android on it (separated enough that piracy weren't possible). They tested the waters with the Xperia Play, they have a full capacitive touch screen, -one of the two models had 3G capabilities-. What a lost opportunity! Would have been the best thing since sliced bread, the ultimate emulator with full support for homebrew games that anybody could develop for without a dev kit/license right off the bat. You'd own one, I bet.

But I'm still left wondering why they ever thought a new memory format was a good idea when they already have a proprietary memory format they've used on all of their products for years: Memory Stick. Other than wanting it to fail..

 

[Principate]

I am praying to all of the gamegods that Pokemon will be the miracle cure for the 3DS in the West. Two Mario games and a series of "casual" games have already failed to really ignite the system's popularity outside Japan. If Pokemon can't do it, I think we can officially hammer that final nail in.

Also: I might need to start seriously thinking about learning Japanese.

That would make it dead anyway. People are far too eager to presume a system is dead. DS level sales are the most a handheld has ever gotten, if the 3DS didn't reach DS sales it's still far from dead or a failure.

It may not be as profitable as it once was but it'd still be a profitable and reasonably successful product.

 

[zroid]

That would make it dead anyway. People are far too eager to presume a system is dead. DS level sales are the most a handheld has ever gotten, if the 3DS didn't reach D sales it's still far from dead or a failure.

It's not like I think 3DS will be "dead" in the West, but it won't have the level of support I desire. We'll still get our Nintendo games, and that's fine with me, but where the hell are the third party localizations?

Outside of low-budget Xseed/Atlus jobs, they won't do it, and I'm sad.

 

[QaaQer]

Wrong, the first thing to disappear is the low end. The high-end customers are the most invested customers, the hardest to convice to drop out of that market. Search a bit about disruption theory.

I think 'high end' was the wrong phrase. Yes, the true high end of the market are the last to leave.

What I should have said was the upmarket disappears first. That is, the people with higher disposable incomes looking for stuff to spend their money on will switch quite quickly. The people who abandoned, for example, traditional film based photography were the people with a good amount of disposable income buying products in the upper end of the market. It wasn't the disposable camera crowd. Nor was the photographic enthusiast who would spend >2K on a camera, the true high end.

But the loss of the up market signaled the end of the traditional photographic business without a doubt. And the same thing can be seen in the traditional handheld market. The upmarket has moved onto phones and tablets and they aren't coming back.

Japanese economy has been tanking for more than 10 years. This is not something that would affect only this new generation of consoles but not the old one.

It is a cumulative thing. Each year, the inverted age pyramid gets worse. Each year, the debt to gdp gets worse. etc.

3DS is selling less software than DS, but not less than other handhelds historically. The DS was the outlier here, not the 3DS.

you need to look at the attach rate of full price retail games to see the badness. In an iOS $.99 world, $40 games are a very hard sell.

We'll see about that. High budget games came almost exclusively from Japan for DS, same with 3DS. That means that there will be less high budget games only if it sell less in Japan. Their next handheld will most likey launch with a lower price. But again, 3DS was the handheld with the highest price when it launched for Nintendo. Returning to a lower price is, again, only returning to the norm for handhelds.


But there is a market for them in Japan, the same that last generation, but Vita is also tanking there. That can't be the only explanation for Vita lower sales.

In Japan, the most probable explanation for Vita tanking is 3DS competition. It came months before, and managed to get games that helped the PSP before.

In the west, I agree that smartphones and tablets are the most likely cause. But that affecs more Vita that 3DS because Vita (like PSP before) is much more of a multimedia device that 3DS, therefore is competing with smartphones much more directly. I remember reports early in PSP life that only about ¿70%? of them were used to play games.

I am under the impression that YOY total handheld sales are down everywhere from 2010 onward, including Japan. And I'm also think the that the toal $ value of handheld software is down YOY.

If the market is shrinking, there is less money for development. Less money for development, means few high budget games, no?

 

[Barkley's Justice]

You realize this is January right? This is the month every store goes through inventory and shuffles what does and does not sell.

Oh, is that it?

 

[damisa]

I was at best buy yesterday and out of curiosity I looked for the vita section. It actually took me awhile to find it. It was off in a small corner. Every other system had large displays and advertisements.

The biggest problem I think with the vita is simply a lack of interest. I bought a PSP years ago simply as an occasional time waster. I only do serious gaming at home. I think I used my PSP twice in the last 3 years. Nowadays, I just use my smartphone as a distraction when I'm waiting in line somewhere.

 

[fluffydelusions]

Pack it up people, it's over

 

[Clear]

Looking at retail space isn't that sure an indication anymore I think. Considering in the UK market every big media specialist retailer is seemingly going to the wall I think the only future is digital anyway.

Meanwhile lets cheer ourselves up with GAF's GOTY thread which is headed up by 2 DD titles... doesn't seem that quality is necessarily going to suffer in a digitally distributed future.

 

[Orca]

Oh, is that it?

I asked at the Walmart here today and they said their big inventory and stock shuffle is in June this year.

I only asked because I'm hoping for another 'clearance games for $1' sale like they had a couple years ago, but I guess it applies for this as well.

 

[electroplankton]

Wait for:

- Jesus to come back
- Hell to freeze over
- Pigs to fly

You really think this

will help?

 

[Smiles and Cries]

I was exploring getting a Vita this week, I went on youtube an gametrailers to check what games it has so far... a few things I've noticed about the Vita

The Graphics are not as impressive as fans toot them out to be.
I was looking at a long Need For Speed Most Wanted Vita video on Youtube last night

The guy play swears up and down that it is exactly the same game, then goes on the say minor graphic quality loss and the traffic in the world is lower but same game. But you could really see how empty the city was and how low the building textures were compared to the original. Only few well placed cars as traffic for you to hit, and when he hit a cop to have a chase only on cop followed him and he was able to cool down in 30 seconds so he stopped to let the cop catch up to keep the chase alive.

This is just the best looking portable racer as it has been called but as the game I am most interested in it did not wow me.

Another problem with marketing this thing even Gametralers.com did not have direct screen capture for it. I only find mostly cam movies that does not do the games justice so it is hard to tell if the graphics are a Vita issue but still does not seem to match up the OLED quality.

I find it hard to find any GIANTBOMB quick looks for Vita, if anyone has a few links it will be helpful

So anyway my idea of getting a Vita is that the Image Quality should blow away the 3DS XL I was planning on upgrading to but looking at Vita games they still look like portable level graphics not the near PS3 idea I had in my head, not sure where I got this idea.

Most impressive I've seen is P4 Golden, Vita needs more than this to grab potential 3DS owners away

 

[SmithnCo]

"The Most Insane Handheld Gaming Experience Ever" made me laugh, haha.

 

[QaaQer]

The Graphics are not as impressive as fans toot them out to be.

OLED looks really good.

I'm seriously considering getting a 55" early 2014, as they are supposed to be around $4000 by then. http://www.pcworld.com/article/247173/lgs_flashy_55_inch_oled_challenged_by_dropping_tv_prices.html

 

[sn00zer]

I was exploring getting a Vita this week, I went on youtube an gametrailers to check what games it has so far... a few things I've noticed about the Vita

The Graphics are not as impressive as fans toot them out to be.
I was looking at a long Need For Speed Most Wanted Vita video on Youtube last night

The guy play swears up and down that it is exactly the same game, then goes on the say minor graphic quality loss and the traffic in the world is lower but same game. But you could really see how empty the city was and how low the building textures were compared to the original. Only few well placed cars as traffic for you to hit, and when he hit a cop to have a chase only on cop followed him and he was able to cool down in 30 seconds so he stopped to let the cop catch up to keep the chase alive.

This is just the best looking portable racer as it has been called but as the game I am most interested in it did not wow me.

Another problem with marketing this thing even Gametralers.com did not have direct screen capture for it. I only find mostly cam movies that does not do the games justice so it is hard to tell if the graphics are a Vita issue but still does not seem to match up the OLED quality.

I find it hard to find any GIANTBOMB quick looks for Vita, if anyone has a few links it will be helpful

So anyway my idea of getting a Vita is that the Image Quality should blow away the 3DS XL I was planning on upgrading to but looking at Vita games they still look like portable level graphics not the near PS3 idea I had in my head, not sure where I got this idea.

Most impressive I've seen is P4 Golden, Vita needs more than this to grab potential 3DS owners away

You should really try playing one before making a decision on the graphics....its one thing t o see it blown up on an off screen youtube video, its anothjer to play it yourself....LBPV and PSABR look really f'n good

 

[Smiles and Cries]

OLED looks really good.

I'm seriously considering getting a 55" early 2014, as they are supposed to be around $4000 by then. http://www.pcworld.com/article/247173/lgs_flashy_55_inch_oled_challenged_by_dropping_tv_prices.html

OLED on Vita is a major selling point for me, I hope I can get a 55" in the future as well
I want to wait for a Vita price drop but hopefully dropping the price does not mean a cheaper screen I don't think Sony can pull that off so I have not been worried I just want to see a few games that pull me towards a purchase. Maybe when the PS4 comes out there will be a PS4/Vita bundle

You should really try playing one before making a decision on the graphics....its one thing t o see it blown up on an off screen youtube video, its anothjer to play it yourself....LBPV and PSABR look really f'n good

Yeah I'll have to go find one the play before buying

found the Giantbomb launch day quicklooks they loved the thing it seem at least they were more positive about the Vita than Wii U

 

[leroidys]

I was exploring getting a Vita this week, I went on youtube an gametrailers to check what games it has so far... a few things I've noticed about the Vita

The Graphics are not as impressive as fans toot them out to be.
I was looking at a long Need For Speed Most Wanted Vita video on Youtube last night

The guy play swears up and down that it is exactly the same game, then goes on the say minor graphic quality loss and the traffic in the world is lower but same game. But you could really see how empty the city was and how low the building textures were compared to the original. Only few well placed cars as traffic for you to hit, and when he hit a cop to have a chase only on cop followed him and he was able to cool down in 30 seconds so he stopped to let the cop catch up to keep the chase alive.

This is just the best looking portable racer as it has been called but as the game I am most interested in it did not wow me.

Another problem with marketing this thing even Gametralers.com did not have direct screen capture for it. I only find mostly cam movies that does not do the games justice so it is hard to tell if the graphics are a Vita issue but still does not seem to match up the OLED quality.

I find it hard to find any GIANTBOMB quick looks for Vita, if anyone has a few links it will be helpful

So anyway my idea of getting a Vita is that the Image Quality should blow away the 3DS XL I was planning on upgrading to but looking at Vita games they still look like portable level graphics not the near PS3 idea I had in my head, not sure where I got this idea.

Most impressive I've seen is P4 Golden, Vita needs more than this to grab potential 3DS owners away

If you're saying that P4G is the most impressive vita game graphically, you are blind.

 

[Mileena]

So anyway my idea of getting a Vita is that the Image Quality should blow away the 3DS XL

It does though. Get both handhelds and put them side by side and it's easily a generation of difference. Watching youtube videos does nothing to support your claim. It also helps that IQ on the XL is pretty piss poor even though I like the system.

 

[Htown]

found the Giantbomb launch day quicklooks they loved the thing it seem at least they were more positive about the Vita than Wii U

WiiU's problem from Giant Bomb's perspective was Nintendo's utterly baffling incompetence in the online space. Terrible update times, ridiculous "accounts" locked to one console, etc.

 

[SmithnCo]

I thought Golden Abyss was definitely the graphics showcase for Vita, P4: Golden is crisp but still has simplistic PS2 models.

 

[zroid]

I thought Golden Abyss was definitely the graphics showcase for Vita, P4: Golden is crisp but still has simplistic PS2 models.

I was impressed by UGA's graphics for a handheld game, but I think it did a better job usually of constantly reminding me I was playing a lesser version of Uncharted.

For me, the prettiest game on Vita is Dokuro.

Creative art styles beat hardware pushing polygons on less powerful systems, and there are no exceptions to this rule.

 

[MoxManiac]

So people don't actually buy off PSN like reasonable people would? Weird.

Spoiler

That is if Sony would price-drop the goddamn memory card prices/upgrade the memory card capacity AND sell shit at reasonable prices after they age. (some PSP titles are still $40 despite being 6 years old)

I always buy physical when it's available.

 

[Nirolak]

You really think this



will help?

Well, Angry Birds is the best performing third party 3DS title in the U.S., so maybe!

 

[Ninja Scooter]

This makes me sad. Sony is just letting a piece of hardware with so much fucking potential die a painless death. But look, the 3DS still flourishes and Nintendo is sitting on their asses taking six months to get Animal Crossing translated.

It doesn't make sense. Fuck it.

It makes plenty of sense. All the marketing in the world won't change the fact that there is no market for a high powered games-only hand held.

 

[michaelius]

I want to wait for a Vita price drop but hopefully dropping the price does not mean a cheaper screen I don't think Sony can pull that off so I have not been worried I just want to see a few games that pull me towards a purchase. Maybe when the PS4 comes out there will be a PS4/Vita bundle

Just saying but black friday/christmas deals were probably better or at least same as new official price will be after drop

 

[zroid]

Well, Angry Birds is the best performing third party 3DS title in the U.S., so maybe!

When I StreetPassed two people in one day whose most recently played game was Angry Birds Trilogy, I'd assumed it was a fluke. :-(

 

[Duxxy3]

Well, Angry Birds is the best performing third party 3DS title in the U.S., so maybe!

That still gives me a head ache.

 

[Haunted]

Vita means life

 

[Mileena]

Well, Angry Birds is the best performing third party 3DS title in the U.S., so maybe!

And here we are wondering why our 3DS lineup here is so terrible compared to Japan

 

[Kyon]

And here we are wondering why our 3DS lineup here is so terrible compared to Japan

.

3DS line up in NA, Vita line up in general

Mess

 

[DarkoMaledictus]

I was impressed by UGA's graphics for a handheld game, but I think it did a better job usually of constantly reminding me I was playing a lesser version of Uncharted.

For me, the prettiest game on Vita is Dokuro.

Creative art styles beat hardware pushing polygons on less powerful systems, and there are no exceptions to this rule.

Totally agree... wish more vita games had more creative art... kind of don't care for those console games look alike... somehow for me a portable should be all about amazing 2d art... but heck that's just me!

 

[stktt]

Gravity Rush is my choice for best looking Vita game. The art direction is fantastic, and I couldn't help but notice the jaggies in Golden Abyss every time I panned the camera.

 

[Celine]

I can't imagine Xseed won't support it, even after Vita's supposed "death". I mean, they're still supporting the Wii in 2013.

There are 40 million Wii out there in the US.
1.2M vitas as of now.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

If you're saying that P4G is the most impressive vita game graphically, you are blind.

This is true, but I meant from what I've seen online, so being blind has nothing to do with it if you have not seen better.

WiiU's problem from Giant Bomb's perspective was Nintendo's utterly baffling incompetence in the online space. Terrible update times, ridiculous "accounts" locked to one console, etc.

no arguments from me there about Nintendo, the only issue is a highly praised product as Vita is not selling
I've been thinking abut getting one since launch but I just don't see the game. Not a Persona fan. But with Ninja Gaiden, Need For Speed, DOA5+ I am starting to see what I want from Vita. I just need 10 games I want to play to justify spending the money.

It does though. Get both handhelds and put them side by side and it's easily a generation of difference. Watching youtube videos does nothing to support your claim. It also helps that IQ on the XL is pretty piss poor even though I like the system.

I often use Youtube to decide which game I'm getting next, IQ is not the factor here because of the quality of the video but you still can get an idea of textures being used in game. The issue still remains while there are aways people are capturing 3DS screens, Vita is still off screen Cam videos does not help. Granted we are not viewing from OLEDs, I am wondering if the Vita OLED is the same praised OLED that are being sold for $8,000+ is this the reason the price cannot drop to 3DS XL levels?

OLED is this amazing colorful tech, so the puzzle here is why has it not killed off 3DS.

Just saying but black friday/christmas deals were probably better or at least same as new official price will be after drop

I missed out on that

All my money went into Wii U launch, I have 13 games with at least 9 of them at full price you can see where my Vita money went. If I buy a hardware I want to be able to spend a lot of money on software so I have no complaints with Wii U even with all the issues it has I cannot really say I do not have over 400 hours of playtime put in and still a good backlog so far. I have ignored 3DS game purchases since Wii U launch waiting to upgrade later in the year to XL when Animal Crossing comes out.

I would like to find the same experience with Vita, at least some reason to get it would be getting it with a PS4. I am one of those who believe Monster Hunter 4 will come to Vita and all this doom stuff will go away soon.

So my plan is Wii U / 3DS XL and PS4 / Vita

 

[DarkoMaledictus]

There are 40 million Wii out there in the US.
1.2M vitas as of now.

1.2 M ain't that bad actually! As long as some key companies make good quality release I ll be happy. Its not like the 3ds has a killer catalog of games either...

2-4 very solid releases per year and I m happy!

 

[grimshawish]

1.2 M ain't that bad actually! As long as some key companies make good quality release I ll be happy. Its not like the 3ds has a killer catalog of games either...

2-4 very solid releases per year and I m happy!

2-4 the 3DS could hardly manage in 2012, 2013 looks far far better but your calculations are really off some what.

 

[zroid]

There are 40 million Wii out there in the US.
1.2M vitas as of now.

While a factual statement, the sales of such games would be similar on either system. The size of an installed base is not a limiting factor when you're aiming to sell around 50k or less to a very specific audience.

 

[MYE]

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