Can you clarify with the '66% more efficient' thing - are you talking about a target for Xenos shader units -> Durango, or GCN CUs -> GCN2/Durango CUs? Because one, as a target, is an awful lot more believable than the other.
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Can you clarify with the '66% more efficient' thing - are you talking about a target for Xenos shader units -> Durango, or GCN CUs -> GCN2/Durango CUs? Because one, as a target, is an awful lot more believable than the other.
Backfoggen
Banned
How about video games are shown.
Can Crusher
Banned
Two Towers could be easily seen as the best one. In fact, Fellowship/Two Towers/Return of the King are all thematically and tonally different enough that you could argue any order you want.
The Hobbit is pure and simple a run of the mill adventure, with crap characters and crap plot. It's an average film. In comparison to LOTR trilogy, I would go as far as say it's crap.
Holy off topic, let's leave this for a proper thread in the future
shinra-bansho
Member
Oh, I thought that was an efficiency comparison between the systems, rather than generations.
As for the last sentence... that seems odd, unless the implication is that in real world performance these systems can match 3.5 TFLOP set-ups...
The former. Sorry. I should have been more clear.
Noooo, I am not enjoying AW2 with it's amazing open maps, sharp looks and fantastic atmosphere if I know it only pushes 1,3tflops.
longdi
Banned
6gb gddr5 would be fine too.
so both next gen consoles failing to hit Epic 2.5TFlops mark...flops total.
I don't know about the top but I would be happy if we get games that are on Watch Dogs' level for the first 2 years of the generation. I know some people look at it and don't see a huge jump from this gen but there is a ton of detail in that gif, things that can't be done now. I'd be thrilled to have GTA-type games that look like that if they run at a good framerate.
Because that's not the forum game. You are suppose to make bold statements of what you think will be before it is. That is the fun of it all.
LightOfTruth
Member
I guess I'm okay with this.
Lol wut. This is true if the nextbox turns out to be 10000000000x times more powerful than the PS4.
WTF, this changes everything.
I'd hope it's way more efficient than Xenos! But so should every GPU AMD puts out in 2013. And put out in 2012.
gaming_noob
Member
I'd rather listen to the makers of Frostbite 2.0 and CryEngine 3 over Epic.
Cantonese version:
Orbis : AWWWWW BIS
Durango: Der LINGOH
Exactly this. Games will look like that and I am happy with it.
You might be getting too hung up on the kits. They are more powerful than the final consoles. The same thing happened, if you recall, with the 360's alpha kits having FAR more CPU power than the final console.
They've done that before, actually.
What do you think next gen is? lol
More effects, higher resolution.
And yes, Sony's first party is going to deliver.
And they'd be selling us the tech, too.
The CPU in the dev kits is more powerful than the final CPUs as well.. so, again. I wouldn't use that as the judge, necessarily.
StrongArmSteady
Member
Orbis - Left Eye
Durango - TBoz
WiiU - Chilli
Durango - TBoz
WiiU - Chilli
These are leaks not official announcements.
GarthVaderUK
Banned
That's the key for the chart, the three purple blocks above are being labelled as accelerators.
Blast Processing
specialguy
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Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
Metallica album ranking GO!
Orbis = Master of Puppets
Durango = Ride the Lightning
Wii U = Lulu
Orbis = Master of Puppets
Durango = Ride the Lightning
Wii U = Lulu
StrongArmSteady
Member
DAT SPECIAL SAUCE!
Can Crusher
Banned
LukasTaves
Member
You probably already answered that, or just can't answer at all, but how are games that were made for such monstrous devkits being handled on final (or close) hardware?
During xbox360 g5 dev kits to real ones there were literally a sea of developers complaining because the peculiarities of the 360 hardware (like tiling) made performance sunk...
SneakyStephan
Banned
The fairy dust that'll turn a 60w laptop gpu into a 200W 3.5TF equivalent monster apparently.
MS unlocked the holy grail to gaming performance and got AMD to keep it console exclusive.
Kubricks Ghost
Member
Orbis - The sun
Durango - Jupiter
Wii U- Pluto
Durango - Jupiter
Wii U- Pluto
Hope this is a joke. Ill take it as you being funny
Epic sells engines, of course they need consoles to meet /their/ expectations, otherwise compromises must be made to UE4. That's what happen when you design it before the console actually exists.
Backfoggen
Banned
McHuj
Member
That would really put everything flops, mem, probably CPU performance, as an 8X performance improvement over the 360.
That leaked old document is turning out to more and more spot on. So I'm hoping the target price is $299 as well. lol.
shinra-bansho
Member
Shouldn't these relative generational improvements in "GPU efficiency" benefit Orbis as well though?
LightOfTruth
Member
WiiU = St Anger
TheLegendOfMart
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Nailed it.
hmm
Orbis: Jimi Hendrix
Durango: Stevie Ray Vaughn
Wii U: Guy on Youtube playing Iron Man?
Orbis = OG Xbox
Durango = Gamecube
Wii U = Dreamcast
Orbis is the most dev friendly (unified, high speed memory, more raw horsepower available), but the gap won't be massive and optimizing how the EDram is fed (which MS' dev tools will make very easy) will help close the gap and get nice bang for the buck from exclusives.
I'd bet the Durango winds up as the "target" platform with the Orbis having better framerates and slightly higher rate of 1080p support (because I think every dev is still going to shoot for 720p/30fps. Res and fps aren't nearly the wow factor that more polys and better textures can be).
It's going to come down to MSRP and exclusives. Sony will rely on their first parties, while MS will look to buy a few more original IPs from developers that they need to hit on (think Gears and Mass Effect pre-Bioware buyout).
Durango = Gamecube
Wii U = Dreamcast
Orbis is the most dev friendly (unified, high speed memory, more raw horsepower available), but the gap won't be massive and optimizing how the EDram is fed (which MS' dev tools will make very easy) will help close the gap and get nice bang for the buck from exclusives.
I'd bet the Durango winds up as the "target" platform with the Orbis having better framerates and slightly higher rate of 1080p support (because I think every dev is still going to shoot for 720p/30fps. Res and fps aren't nearly the wow factor that more polys and better textures can be).
It's going to come down to MSRP and exclusives. Sony will rely on their first parties, while MS will look to buy a few more original IPs from developers that they need to hit on (think Gears and Mass Effect pre-Bioware buyout).
Well to be fair, he is right. Both Durango and Orbis will be as powerful as 3 Geforce 680's combined because "optimization" and magic fairy dust secret sauce or something.
Thanks. That makes much more sense.
Someone did post the WD and 1313 gifs.
shinra-bansho
Member
Seriously, the:
Orbis =
Durango =
Wii U =
... is just white noise now... :/
Orbis =
Durango =
Wii U =
... is just white noise now... :/
More mature development tools and devs who aren't moving from single threaded code to multi-threaded code? In terms of visual steps forward, I think this is more like the jump from the PS1 to the PS2, rather than the PS2 to the PS3. But I'm sure there will be pain points for both platforms moving from target dev boxes to final hardware. There always is. And even for games on mature hardware, performance is often fucked until the last month or so before gold.
SneakyStephan
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StevieP
You mentioned epic axing their lighting system for ue4 (I knew I heard someone credible mention it before, so it was you)
Do you have a source for this? I got called out for mentioning it earlier.
I'd love it if you made it up but I'm a glass half empty kind of guy so I don't doubt it to be true.
You mentioned epic axing their lighting system for ue4 (I knew I heard someone credible mention it before, so it was you)
Do you have a source for this? I got called out for mentioning it earlier.
I'd love it if you made it up but I'm a glass half empty kind of guy so I don't doubt it to be true.
Lion Heart
Banned
These are horrible analogies.
Orbis: Pierce
Durango: Honeycut
Wii U: Frank Burns
Orbis: Pierce
Durango: Honeycut
Wii U: Frank Burns
wasnt it always?
LukasTaves
Member
It means that every block in the diagram above that is purple belongs to that category.