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Did Monolith Soft run over Square-Enix with 'X'?
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MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
It also won't be XIII series. I'm sure that contributes some hype.
You would also be cartooning things drastically.
Supermanisdead
Member
Basically 90%. We've seen like 20 seconds of poor, messy gameplay. ~But it will save Square Enix~
Personally, some of what he says worries me. I'm more excited that Nojima is on board here.
That and people latching onto the fantasy of a
Reasons why I'm anticipating it:
Nomura is behind KH1, KH2 and KHBBS. Two of those games were very good, whilst one was flawed but still a good game for the most part. Considering Versus XIII is going to have a similar battle system to those, this bodes well for those of us who enjoyed the KH battle system. We can, at the least, expect the gameplay to be good.
The game has a more modern fantasy aesthetic, which quite frankly, is much appreciated. The Tokyo/NY like setting, the simplistic character design, the seemingly more serious atmosphere, are all bonuses. It harkens back to the likes of FFVII and FFVIII. Both those games did one thing very good, undeniably, and that's create an immersive world.
Kazushige Nojima is the scenario writer. He's the one behind the FNC mythology which is the basis for the FFXIII games (he designed the concept, he isn't the writer of the FFXIII series). It should be interesting to see his take on the myth in this game, since he created the original concept. He was also the scenario writer for FFVII, FFVIII and FFX. Every single one of those games had a good and immersive world. For those of us who are fans of those games, this is another bonus.
Yoko Shimomura is the composer so we can expect a great OST. The tracks we've managed to listen to so far are excellent. It'll be nice to see what else she's cooked up.
In addition to that, we know it has an open world setting akin to FFXII, there is an airship to explore the world in the traditional sense, it will retain FF traditions such as summons and chocobos, and actual towns are making a return.
There's a bunch of great talent behind this game, so there's a lot of potential too. The hype is far from misplaced. Of course, it could end up disappointing. Any game can. It could also turn out to be great, and it wouldn't necessarily be unexpected.
Handheld Square is good. Console Square is bad. It's mathematics.
Let's talk about this real quick, though. Couldn't
Lightning have been beyond Etro's Gate in Type-0? I mean, it's not like Pulse, Arecia, Gala/Cid and Lindzei necessarily KNOW that Etro has adopted a successor. I don't think it's likely, but isn't it possible?
They all share the same Gilgamesh and Shinryu, though.
Yes, of course they are.
Ah, but 3rd Birthday was Toriyama's baby, and the plot in Crisis Core was Nomura's. Neither of whom are known for writing great games, so to speak.
Tabata's a gameplay guy, though. He doesn't do the writing. His work and Shimomura's were the saving graces of 3rd Birthday, for instance.
Again, Crisis Core was Nomura's, and 3rd Birthday was Toriyama. Tabata did the game work, and the battle system in Crisis Core was great.
As for Type-0, it has a big ol' World Map, several not-straight-line dungeons, and no Toriyama plot.
According to Wikipedia:
Crisis Core: Writer(s): Kazushige Nojima. The 3rd Birthday: Motomu Toriyama. Type-0: Hiroki Chiba (Main Scenario), Hajime Tabata (Scenario designer), Yoshinori Kitase (Scenario Supervisor), Kazushige Nojima (Scenario concept).
What we see here is first that Nojima, not Nomura, wrote Crisis Core (although I'm still pretty sure Genesis was Nomura's baby) and that Tabata is only credited for writing on Type-0. He directed all three, yes, and all three are great hand-held games, but the crummy plot can only be laid at his feet for one.
Meccanical
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No.
I'm glad I cleared that up for you. Have a nice day!
Meccanical, become my spiritual Pubah, and teach me this mystical manner in which you resolve such grand problems in such elegant, simple ways.
I will begin by wearing a blue bball jersey.
I was just being lazy and tossing it all into one. Though I don't really remember the writing being that special in CC...
Realistic or modern? VII & VIII had modern fantasy settings and Versus XIII looks to be the same. The city seems to just be where it starts.
Meccanical
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Supermanisdead
Member
It's pretty obvious the sleeping woman on FFVersus title is Lightning.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
No.
I'm glad I cleared that up for you. Have a nice day!
Correct.
In XIII's logic Etro killed off her physical body and then her ethereal body in the sequel.
In Type 0 when Etro dies as stated in the mythos she dies for real.
Meccanical
Member
So the main difference between the two universes is as follows:
Type-0- People die when they are killed.
XIII- People don't die even if you kill them, unless you do because they would be dead, but only until they are alive.
"Master, all these things have I kept from my youth. What more lack I yet?"
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Pretty much.
At least the 2 share one thing.
Type 0-GILGAMESH is retarded strong.
XIII Series- GILGAMESH is retarded strong.
Isn't it more fair to say that in Type-0 when people die they are dead and
forgotten?
Ah yeah. I'm talking more about the general feeling. The whole "fantasy based on reality." tagline has had me worried regarding the balance. Sorry, probably shouldn't have linked modern setting = realistic just seems easy to do.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Unless you fulfill your focus as L'cie. They get remembered. Otherwise if you die you basically are forgotten unless you specifically take countermeasures against this.
Kurasame does this
L'cie have all their memories intact however.
Meccanical
Member
That too.
For some reason I found that scene in the graveyard After Kurasame dies funny because they are all like "Man I should be sad because the guy was my teacher but for the life of me I cannot even remember the man's face. Oh well.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Blame the crystal. It did it.
Also eat my GILGAMESH theory.
GILGAMESH was at one point human. But prolonged exposure as a Orience L'cie(Warrior of Light) has slowly mutated him into a monster due to his monumental decision to serve his people instead of the crystal. Of course the other theory is that due to the "Northern Dawn" incident of him surviving what amounts to an atomic bomb his armor was strong enough to save his life, however he may have been subject to a "Bruce Banner" scenario and absorb a form of "ultima" Radiation in his body. Furthermore it would seem that he and his crystal during this short lapse period somehow symbiotically bound to each other through the armor that he wears, heralding him with massive power comparable to a Orience Fal'cie, but with little control over his actions as his mind and the remnants of his nation's crystal are in a mental battle for control of his physical body, only through the physical strain of battle was GILGAMESH able to snuff out the crystal's will. Upon falling into the Rift through his own power, likely his transformation occurred and he would soon learn how to control it as part of his power including the ability to manipulate space-time, along with his penchant for weapons seems related to a engrained goal that a king must show his power and in his mind power always translated to mystical weapons. It is unknown if the Genbu Crystal still lends it's unfathomable strength to GILGAMESH but it is likely that over time it's strength faded and GILGAMESH became stronger over the course of surviving many battles and relying on his own strength then the strength of the crystal of his past. However this cannot be completely proven at this time.
Non-corridor games could be made in the 8-bit days. Hand held standards are no valid excuse.
It's great for how it manages to encapsulate such heavy plot into a very few hours, while even adding extra "features" into the mix such as Genesis. Crisis Core remains the very definition of your action-packed J-RPG to me, for being story-driven and having solid immersive quality as such. Beat it three times now. I replay it every summer as a "quirk", even though I didn't bother with the hack & slash missions.
Not a fan of sand-boxes anyway.
Not running over, flying over.
Am I the only one who thinks that terrain looks awful? We've seen much nicer vistas in existing games.
Looks good to me.
Frankly, I dislike the design as a whole: the characters, the mechas, the empty environments... everything. At least Versus has an identity.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Looks awful to walk on, then again I get the feeling that was the feeling they wanted to convey.
Yes.
Meccanical
Member
examples, man. You gotta list 'em.
And I like how this thread turned into a general SE thread.
I've got a pretty good feeling you'd be in love with X if we just replaced the Monolith Soft name in the trailer with Square Enix.
Meccanical
Member
Doesn't it always?
electroplankton
Banned
The identity of a vaporware.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
THe thread has Square-Enix in it's title. It was doomed from the outset.
Only sheds light on who are the true kings in these realms. Impostures never fly long.
Meccanical
Member
Oh snap.
Even more dedicated to the firm and the series than my counterpart. Square's traveling salesman ever since I turned 10. Thank you kindly.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
And the main character would be Qator Bashtar with your very own Magitek Armor game realized.
shots fired.
Meccanical
Member
I actually do want this.
H_Prestige
Banned
I make fun of Versus as much as anyone, but I find it odd that the same people jizzing over 30 seconds of X footage keep asking why anyone is excited about Versus.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
This thread proves hope springs eternal. I actually feel bad versus fans. I love some of these vapid, vague statements criticizing X. At least versus has an identity? Really this is where we are?
PRjumpman124
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Wait, this was about some Monolith Soft game right? Anyway, do you guys think that was an early build or will the graphics stay largely the same?
Sorry, VRP was a literal translation. Edited my post, check it again.
I'm sure they polished it up for the trailer but it should look roughly the same I believe.