it's certainly a great position for them to be in. this thing is a money printer just waiting to happen.
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it's certainly a great position for them to be in. this thing is a money printer just waiting to happen.
"These specs" are not even confirmed to be fact so no they are not "pretty locked".
Of course we know the design is going to be AMD based that is a fact we have had confirmed, those fluctuating details can make all the difference...
*crickets*.
As of now Orbis seem to be more powerful, more game focused, and with Sony's first parties to back it up.
For what my priorities are, there is little doubt, as of now, which one would be the better one.
BUT, last gen i was initially verting towards the X360, and ps3 eventually ended up winning me over, i personally do not have any brand affiliation, so whoever delivers it's gonna have my money (probably both of them will).
I just hope Durango won't hold back multiplatform games, as i said earlier.
Yeah it seems like Orbis will be more gamer focused but obviously that may not work out for them in the long run if they can't match the non gaming features Durango will have. As much as that makes a lot of us cringe they pretty much have to do it now.
I think it's becoming a lot safer to say that Sony's 1st parties will be a step ahead yet again though. Specs don't lie.
Also, remember power doesn't win a generation. Based on this generation, Durango is likely to be backed by a stronger ecosystem and community than Orbis. It'll probably have better media/DVR features too, and the prospects of Kinect 2.0, IllumiRoom, and Fortaleza later in the cycle.
Just had a flick through the leaked Durango document from a while back and noticed the following extracts:
If Microsoft is working towards a cloud/local processing hybrid for later in the generation, these specs won't mean much at all.
Just had a flick through the leaked Durango document from a while back and noticed the following extracts:
If Microsoft is working towards a cloud/local processing hybrid for later in the generation, these specs won't mean much at all.
Or its just developers not wanting to bite the hand that feeds them and trying to remain PC.
As a developer I like very much what I am reading, and I understand they are all rumours still..
I can't wait to start developing for this gpu.... still waiting on details of the cpu thou, which I'm guessing by the gpu will also be very custom and a radical departure....
Nice work MS
I can't wait to start developing for this gpu.... still waiting on details of the cpu thou, which I'm guessing by the gpu will also be very custom and a radical departure....
Nice work MS
Tripp Daily
Member
Maybe Microsoft is aiming for 4 year console cycle this time around?
Shorter cycles equals lower up front costs, and doesn't run the risk of stagnating the market again.
If this is the case then you are not only seeing the battle of two different machines with different design decisions but you are looking at two different companies with completely different business plans. Pretty interesting to see who makes the right calls.
Shorter cycles equals lower up front costs, and doesn't run the risk of stagnating the market again.
If this is the case then you are not only seeing the battle of two different machines with different design decisions but you are looking at two different companies with completely different business plans. Pretty interesting to see who makes the right calls.
shinra-bansho
Member
I like that there's this developing narrative of "$100 cheaper" to replace "secret sauce."
universalmind
Member
Both consoles will look close to each other as far as third-party games are concerned. However the roles will be reversed with Orbis/PS4 leading the way in graphics and performance with the Durango having to settle for second place.
And first parties will really make these machines shine with (imo) Orbis having the best performing/looking exclusives.
And first parties will really make these machines shine with (imo) Orbis having the best performing/looking exclusives.
Qwerty710710
a child left behind
I'm not seeing a major power difference here it seems like sony fan boys are overreacting. They still haven't explained the move engines yet either so I would calm down before spouting random bullshit.
It doesn't matter. Even if Ballmer Snapchatted the specs of Durango to VGLeaks, it doesn't mean anything until they announce it.
Both for Sony and Microsoft, this is all conjecture until it's been formally announced.
The reason Microsoft hasn't announced anything yet, and refuse to admit to Durango's existence, is precisely for this reason. So they can change things, delay things, alter things that haven't been formally announced, meaning as far as their investors and customers go, they're not breaking promises or commitments.
Tripp Daily
Member
I still don't see why Sony would react to developers by increasing the ram of their machine to combat durango if they knew these specs.
If those rumors are true than it definitely doesn't make sense.
If those rumors are true than it definitely doesn't make sense.
How can we possibly know that? The Wii U was affordable and look at that. Clearly Durango has a lot more power, but sales are far from guaranteed for any console.
Why exactly would Microsoft purposely gimp their GPU to give Orbis a edge?
That wouldn't really be funny more sad than anything.
shinobi602
Member
The dev was speaking anonymously...
Apophis2036
Banned
I wonder if Epic will again persuade MS to double the Ram just before launch...
16GB INC.
16GB INC
.Gaikai says hi.
Boss Man
Member
I'm also a little worried about 3rd party games being held back, especially with the way we've heard a couple of devs talk. Obviously they'll be scaled back a tad bit (first parties are there to squeeze the most out of a platform), but I hope we at least see significant boosts to performance on Orbis. I mean, you sometimes get PC ports at 30FPS just for the sake of platform parity.
This is assuming that Orbis actually is as more powerful as it seems. Still having a hard time believing Microsoft would let that happen.
This is assuming that Orbis actually is as more powerful as it seems. Still having a hard time believing Microsoft would let that happen.
Simple, so that consumers don't automatically think "Hey, Durango has 8GB, and PS4 has 4GB, Durango is better!" you know, because a lot of casuals/less informed consumers are easily fooled by marketing tactics.
Yeah. Reading those specs... That comment doesn't make sense at all.
shinra-bansho
Member
Lol. Yes, I'm sure they're re-engineering a several year billion dollar+ project and delaying launch plans as I type this sentence.
AFAIK, Gaikai delivers fully cloud processed content. Microsoft is proposing some sort of hybrid here that could reduce overheads like latency, video artefacts, etc...
FunnyBunny
Member
There's a serious lack of happiness on this board, in general.
Games on Durango will look great. Games on Orbis will look awesome. What else do we need to know?
They are blocks that are placed at the very end of the rendering pipeline, responsible for compositing data from various buffers into final picture. They are crucial for filtering, depth compositing, blending and antialiasing. When shaders do their magic on the individual pixels, ROPs are responsible to place that pixel data "on the screen" [correct memory space].
The Elite
BOSS
I wonder if Epic will again persuade MS to double the Ram just before launch...
16GB INC
and what will the extra ram be doing? Its certainly not going to be needed to feed that GPU with that bandwidth
Tripp Daily
Member
I've never seen a console marketed to the majority consumer base by using technical specifications. I don't see Sony doing this either. The cost don't justify it.
(and by majority consumer base I mean not GAF and not people that watch E3)
Can Crusher
Banned
Something's gotta give.
If these specs are true, MS is gonna deliver a cheaper system. They have to.
And no, Kinect 2.0 won't be built in and rise the price by 100$ alone. Sony also has dual cameras and the whole kitchen sink. Both will have multiple skus. But MS will have to deliver a cheaper baseline sku.
If these specs are true, MS is gonna deliver a cheaper system. They have to.
And no, Kinect 2.0 won't be built in and rise the price by 100$ alone. Sony also has dual cameras and the whole kitchen sink. Both will have multiple skus. But MS will have to deliver a cheaper baseline sku.
Those kinds of limits are easily circumvented on PC.
1st Course
Member
Can anyone please point me out to the source of the "secret sauce" rumors? I'm checking both this and the Kotaku rumor and so far it seem like there are no mention of such a thing.
Durango GPU is between Radeon HD 7750 and 7770.
Orbis GPU is between Radeon HD 7770 and 7850.
Well of course they are. Why wouldn't they be? At the very least, their marketing teams are going into overdrive to compensate for the negativity raised and I'm positive that their engineering teams have been tasked with addressing these shortcomings in any way possible in alignment with the budget and technology they've got. They're obviously not just sitting there and doing nothing.
zomgbbqftw
Banned
No, Orbis is definitely targeting 1080p30 at least. No other reason for 4GB GDDR5.
It doesn't have to be an extra 4GB of GDDR5, it can be cheap, slower DDR3 just to give a little big more headroom, the cost is almost negligible.
Also, it's about marketing. What you tell your reps to tell consumers, what you tell your reps to tell retailers to tell consumers. Every little edge you can get to market your product is an edge in sales. And the sales are what matter in the end.
phosphor112
Banned
The secret sauce is placebo.
i'm just speculating, lol. i think the Wii U could still be a money printer as well. they've both positioned themselves well from a consumer-value/price standpoint, assuming MS adds no extras and launches at about the same price as the U.
That should produce great results in a console environment.
AFAIK we know nothing about Sony's plans for Gaikai. They could be planing the same thing.
And also, if you have a console that has Cloud co-processing you are basically saying "fuck you" to all those people whose consoles aren't connected to the Internet.
shinra-bansho
Member
I believe Orbis has more theoretical FLOPS than a 7850.
Nintendo didn't do it with the Wii U. They didn't even say anything about the console when it was first announced. It was all about the controller and the games.
JimmyRustler
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Well, that's it I guess. Assuming MS doesn't pull monster games at launch I'm buying Obris only for the start. Core gamers not important any more.
TheLegendOfMart
Banned
There is no way they would split up SKUs power wise, the "lower" model probably wont play full retail games.
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