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Does this almost confirm the inclusion of Kinect 2.0 with every Durango?

That would make sense, they are taking a power hit to able to include such a device with every system.

 

[FordGTGuy]

Not gonna lie, but this basically slaps down Proelite and Aegis and the shit they've been hyping for the past month.

Not really, even this is just a pile of steaming rumors, we have no idea until the final product is here.

 

[Takuya]

With some devs saying Orbis is only "slightly more powerful", it makes me think there's something missing or we don't have the whole picture.

The moneyhats from Microsoft telling the developers to say that.

 

[jaosobno]

CPU - Identical
GPU - Orbis > Durango
Memory - It's just different, no clear winner

Overall Orbis looks more developer friendly and powerful, but it might not have the media features of Durango (DVR etc...).

Orbis wins in memory department. More bandwidth, unified pool, no copy overhead.

 

[Durante]

Any estimates yet on the Wii U GPU stats and all that?

This week we'll probably have numbers.

 

[coldfoot]

Isn't this what most reasonable people always expected? Once that leaked PP came out, it clearly pointed toward this.

MS is positioning themselves as affordable with a reasonable amount of power. Plus, third-party games will almost assuredly look nearly identical to Orbis. It's not a bad place to be if they can undercut Sony's price.

Free Online with Voice Chat vs. Gold sub required could make all the financial difference to a potential purchaser.

 

[JaggedSac]

Not gonna lie, but this basically slaps down Proelite and Aegis and the shit they've been hyping for the past month.

Calling them out?

 

[Darryl]

They're still a lot closer to Sony than they are to Nintendo.

not from what i see, it looks pretty damn in the middle. they're even going with the 32MB of embedded RAM.

 

[Chuck Norris]

Not gonna lie, but this basically slaps down Proelite and Aegis and the shit they've been hyping for the past month.

No it doesn't. At LEAST wait until PS4s specs have been revealed in a few weeks before we declare vgleak's to have unarguable credibility

 

[Spongebob]

One think its safe to say that Durango games will be targeting 720p.

 

[liquidboy]

OUTPUT - Both the DB and the CB have substantial caches on die, and all depth and color operations are performed locally in the caches. Access to these caches is faster than access to ESRAM. For this reason, the peak GPU pixel rate can be larger than what raw memory throughput would indicate. The caches are not large enough, however, to fit entire render targets. Therefore, rendering that is localized to a particular area of the screen is more efficient than scattered rendering.

Sounds like the rumour of Durango going with partially rendered textures to me... I really hope so.....

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5261/amd-radeon-hd-7970-review/6

 

[iMax]

I feel ashamed for even believing all the BS they were spouting. They should be called out for what they said.



The information here is 100% legit.

It's conjecture.

 

[gofreak]

Not really, even this is just a pile of steaming rumors, we had no idea until the final product is here.

Well I think some of the stuff presented betrays a lack of understanding at least.

I mean trumpeting color/depth blocks as 'special sauce' blocks...that looks more and more tenuous by the second.

But that's fine, they're not techies. It's easy to read too much into too little if you're presented with a bunch of stuff you've never considered before.

 

[Thug Waffle]

Orbis wins in memory department. More bandwidth, unified pool, no copy overhead.

But what does that mean?

 

[KageMaru]

I've only skimmed, and would need to check some specifics against other AMD whitepapers, but so far, so very GCN.

Surprised at the ROPs though. Why cut back so much on that? Would they run into bandwidth problems first?

Maybe they thought with the available memory bandwidth, and the target for 1080p, they wouldn't need any more than twice the ROPs from this gen. *shrugs*

 

[ScepticMatt]

50% less FLOPS. 50% less ROPS.
It's pretty pathetic.

Your math is pathetic too But I agree that it does sound relatively weak

it's either
D has 33% less FLOPS, 50% less ROPS than O or
O has 50% more FLOPS, 100% more ROPS than D

 

[DieH@rd]

I do not know why people are so upset about the GPU. It looks like an efficient piece of hardware that should be more than sufficient to run some great looking next gen games thanks to optimization to target specs, resolution and framerate.

I am pretty certain it will run games like Watch Dogs and beyond more than adequately.

MS will buy Quantic Dream and kill the deal between them and Sony who funded Beyond???

 

[derFeef]

One think its safe to say that Durango games will be targeting 720p.

1080p with nice AA will be the exception for both.

 

[ymmv]

Not as good as Orbis (on paper) but should be cheaper to produce.

Personally I want a good balance of performance and price.

Why? I'd rather pay more 50-100 euro more once if this means every single game I'll buy in the next five, six years will look substantially better.

 

[Reiko]

One think its safe to say that Durango games will be targeting 720p.

I doubt that too.

 

[Can Crusher]

How do we get a wash in power with these specs?

Are we missing something? Durango looks seriously gimped compared to Orbis if true.

Probably the same kind of developers who would argue that xbox and ps2 were comparable.

From these rumors, Durango looks terribly conservative. So I'm guessing MS's deal is gonna be to launch one of the Sku's at a much lower price than Sony's.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

One think its safe to say that both consoles will be targeting 720p.

Fixed.

 

[mrklaw]

I've only skimmed, and would need to check some specifics against other AMD whitepapers, but so far, so very GCN.

Surprised at the ROPs though. Why cut back so much on that? Would they run into bandwidth problems first?

7970 has 32CUs, 32 ROPs and can be around 200GB/s memory. With less than half the CUs and half the bandwidth, half the ROPs seems about right

 

[FordGTGuy]

It's conjecture.

Exactly not sure why people are taking this as written in stone.

 

[FunnyBunny]

It's a big leap from the XBOX 360.

Given how great Halo 4 and Forza Horizon look, I'll gladly take it.

 

[derFeef]

Sounds like the rumour of Durango going with partially rendered textures to me... I really hope so.....

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5261/amd-radeon-hd-7970-review/6

The fuck, this is the exact same sentence as in the VGleaks documet, lol.
copypasteLeaks.

 

[Opus Angelorum]

Why? I'd rather pay more 50-100 euro more once if this means every single game I'll buy in the next five, six years will look substantially better.

John Doe isn't going to consider that a their local Gamestop.

 

[phosphor112]

Not really, even this is just a pile of steaming rumors, we have no idea until the final product is here.

They've been going by THESE rumors. How do they go from "Durango is better" to THIS!?

Calling them out?

Yes. I am. They need to keep their integrity and really? They didn't, it just makes them look like fools. Possibly ignorant fools, but still fools.

 

[Reiko]

Probably the same kind of developers who would argue that xbox and ps2 were comparable.

From these rumors, Durango looks terribly conservative. So I'm guessing MS's deal is gonna be to launch one of the Sku's at a much lower price than Sony's.

Ilherre didn't lie about the Wii U power...

 

[jaosobno]

But what does that mean?

Means you can access more memory and that you don't have to waste time moving data DDR3<-->eSRAM.

 

[Father_Brain]

So, that IGN rumor from early last year about it only being 20% more powerful than Wii U was true after all?

Spoiler

Joking, but you'd think that from some of the reactions here.

 

[MMaRsu]

Just tell me guys, is this going to be the best shit ever or what

 

[Violater]

Fixed cause it's confusing having two lines with different order of comparison.

Props

Spoiler

because I was confused

 

[Globox_82]

VGbullshit.

It hurts? Don't worry aegis will be here any minute to tell us about secret jizz load.

 

[nelsonroyale]

Fixed.

Oh come on, even my gaming laptop from a year ago runs pretty all games smoothly at 1080p with decent settings.

 

[Plinko]

Ilherre didn't lie about the Wii U power...

Absolutely true. No reason to believe he'd lie about this, either.

 

[shinra-bansho]

It's conjecture.

The M.O. of VGLeaks has essentially been acquiring and copy-pastaing documentation.

 

[FordGTGuy]

They've been going by THESE rumors. How do they go from "Durango is better" to THIS!?

I'm not saying what they did is any better but you trying to say they are wrong with more rumors isn't helping matters.

Personally I like facts, assuming gives us nothing.

Yes. I am. They need to keep their integrity and really? They didn't, it just makes them look like fools. Possibly ignorant fools, but still fools.

What you're doing right now is just as ignorant as what they did....

 

[UrbanRats]

CPU - Identical
GPU - Orbis > Durango
Memory - It's just different, no clear winner

Overall Orbis looks more developer friendly and powerful, but it might not have the media features of Durango (DVR etc...).

*crickets*.

As of now Orbis seem to be more powerful, more game focused, and with Sony's first parties to back it up.
For what my priorities are, there is little doubt, as of now, which one would be the better one.

BUT, last gen i was initially verting towards the X360, and ps3 eventually ended up winning me over, i personally do not have any brand affiliation, so whoever delivers it's gonna have my money (probably both of them will ).
I just hope Durango won't hold back multiplatform games, as i said earlier.

 

[TacticalFox88]

Orbis-Super Saiyan 2 Gohan
Durango-Perfect Cell.

There, so the normies can understand.

 

[Hoo-doo]

Fixed.

Not gonna happen. I fully believe the majority of next-gen games to run at 1080p.

 

[Coolwhip]

Just when I thought FLOPS were the new bits, I read about ROPS? Wth are ROPS!

 

[Monas]

not from what i see, it looks pretty damn in the middle. they're even going with the 32MB of embedded RAM.

This tech has nothing to do with Nintendo. The Wii U is severely underpowered in comparison.
But nevertheless all three are muscle-cars.

 

[jbug617]

Ilherre didn't lie about the Wii U power...

So what did llherre say about Durango.

 

[shinobi602]

Not gonna lie, but this basically slaps down Proelite and Aegis and the shit they've been hyping for the past month.

Nothing's 100% confirmed until MS confirms it, and nothing about Orbis is confirmed either.

Also, there was a dev recently that stated Orbis is only "slightly more powerful" than Durango. I don't think we have the whole picture here.

 

[CrunchinJelly]

No idea what any of this means.

I'm at the stage where I just want announcements. Games, prices, launch info.

Be interesting if one was $100 cheaper than the other, though.

It's a big leap from the XBOX 360.

Given how great Halo 4 and Forza Horizon look, I'll gladly take it.

Positivity? In this thread?

 

[Can Crusher]

Ilherre didn't lie about the Wii U power...

I didn't say he lied.

It's just starting to become a bit difficult to comprehend how the difference can be a wash...and secret fairy dust is starting to sound exactly like it sounds.

But hey, who knows. Maybe this is old info and Vgleaks is just copy pasting stuff around the internet to try and make sense of it.

 

[M°°nblade]

Fixed.

Nah, I think we'll see a decent amount of next-gen games either targeting 60fps or 1080p on Orbis.

 

[phosphor112]

I'm not saying what they did is any better but you trying to say they are wrong with more rumors isn't helping matters.

Personally I like facts, assuming gives us nothing.



What you're doing right now is just as ignorant as what they did....

Sony is announcing their console in a couple of weeks and Durango probably a month or two after. These specs seem pretty locked. They will fluctuate a bit, but the general design is set in stone at this point.

 

[Reiko]

So what did llherre say about Durango.

He said both consoles will be a wash in power. With both having advantages here and there.

Basically a repeat of this gen.