Ahh. I was thinking about the Blizzard MMO.
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VGLeaks: Durango GPU detailed
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Ahh. I was thinking about the Blizzard MMO.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Disagree. Wii was a prime example.
I agree with your last statement, though. I think both will be similar enough that people won't see that much of a difference.
Built in Kinect + a potentially more complex board to manufacture. It's not as simple as, Microsoft has a weaker GPU ergo it's going to cost less than Sony's console.
Gemüsepizza
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The power will translate directly into games with very nice graphics. People prefered the Xbox 360 version of some games because of a marginally better sharpness or 1-5 additionally frames per second. The difference this time will be much bigger, it seems.
All I can think of is that Durango probably has separated silicon that offloads the GPU from standard tasks, such as upscaling or AA or something.
So they calculate that real-world performance on Orbis' and Durango's Gpus will be equal.
Or it doesn't make sense.
Unless they are trying to pull a Wii and make a machine that's fun for the whole family focusing on peripheral innovations and input/output devices hence the 3GB OS.
Meanwhile everybody and their mother screams "Games games games"
Sony has this.
So they calculate that real-world performance on Orbis' and Durango's Gpus will be equal.
Or it doesn't make sense.
Unless they are trying to pull a Wii and make a machine that's fun for the whole family focusing on peripheral innovations and input/output devices hence the 3GB OS.
Meanwhile everybody and their mother screams "Games games games"
Sony has this.
Probably about as much as both consoles combined. Still competitive in terms of Watt/Flop
"seriously gimped" is quite the overshoot from what we know.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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I hope Sony doesn't reveal any major specs on February. I want to see both of them reveal the numbers at E3. It'll be fun watching them unfold together.
Surely ROPs in Orbis have cache as well. Otherwise the main memory wouldn't have enough bandwidth to satisfy their needs (178GBps vs 205GBps).
That was probably lherre trying to appease Xbox fans.
ColdBlooder
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So the 1.2 TFlop is only theoretical and could even be way lower in practise?
shinra-bansho
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The Wii was an anomalous exception. Although even that doesn't really fit considering the Wii's success was not built on adoption by the traditional console consumer.
The PS1 was sold on a significant technological leap. The PS2 was sold on a significant technological leap. The PS3 and 360 were sold on a significant technological leap. The SNES, the NES, the N64, the XBOX, the GameCube, the Master System, the MegaDrive. Power has always driven adoption and transition for the traditional gaming market.
Hydrargyrus
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The lack of analogies on this thread make me sad
The lack??
There are a lot in only two pages...
shinobi602
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With some devs saying Orbis is only "slightly more powerful", it makes me think there's something missing or we don't have the whole picture.
It won't mean much, but back in 2010, the original cost $56 to produce and was sold at $149. Presumably a lot of that went back into developing Kinect 2.0 (I have no idea how much it costs yet)
There's a list of components at the link, so when details about Kinect 2 are known they may prove useful for comparison purposes.
SirIgbyCeaser
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Microsoft to bait and switch with new graphic card... I can see it happening.
Insane Metal
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That's true for every GPU ever made.
It's not a huge leap to look at these specs and assume that the first things on the spec sheet were enough RAM for Win8 and hardware cheap enough to put Kinect 2.0 in every box without pricing themselves out of the market.
I don't think we have the full picture yet though.
We'll find out soon enough I guess.
I don't think we have the full picture yet though.
We'll find out soon enough I guess.
Do you really think Sony has the money to do it and if they did that their investors would let them?
The same goes for the Wii U and Orbis....
FLOPS #s have always been theoretical maximums.
zomgbbqftw
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CPU - Identical
GPU - Orbis > Durango
Memory - It's just different, no clear winner
Overall Orbis looks more developer friendly and powerful, but it might not have the media features of Durango (DVR etc...).
PuppetSlave
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Sing it out loud a few times, it will make more sense then. Remember, loud!
Sure, because he clearly needs to do that for a dev that can speak (almost) freely since he's in disguise. He said both have advandatages and disadvantages. I can imagine one disadvantage is the weaker GPU in Durango - but in real world it maybe does not make much difference.
Apophis2036
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Pretty amazing that we have this sort of detail 10 months from launch yet we still don't know much, if anything about the WiiU GPU lol !.
They're still a lot closer to Sony than they are to Nintendo.
Microsoft isn't placing itself in the middle, it's still a huge step up from the WiiU.
I seriously doubt that.
If one was seriously weaker, he would have hinted that already.
It looks like this right now:
MS has more memory.
Sony has more memory bandwidth, more compute power and more fillrate.
However, I think people overestimate the differences. It's not a 30 FPS -> 60 FPS difference, not even close (well, except in terms of ROPs). It's more of a "Orbis drops below 30 FPS for 150 milliseconds during the benchmark, Durango drops below 30 FPS for 300 milliseconds" or "Orbis uses 16xAF throughout, while Durango uses partial 8xAF" difference.
quite a lot seems to just regurgitate existing AMD material with different language. I guess if you're a console only dev you may not be familiar with it, but the way its worded almost sounds like MS customised it, whereas most is standard - compressed textures/Z, scheduling compute Vs graphics, virtual addressing - all standard GCN features
But PS3 has worse GPU than Xbox 360. Only those who were willing managed to extract power from the complicated [and powerful] CPU architecture.
TheLegendOfMart
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But PS3 was immeasurably more difficult to code for, this time round the CPUs are identical.
phosphor112
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Not gonna lie, but this basically slaps down Proelite and Aegis and the shit they've been hyping for the past month.
pants
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Not really. If Sony gains initial traction then MS will be screwed. It's all going to be about the first 2 years or so's sales.
EDIT: Oh, I see you were lying about MS being in the middle :C
iceatcs
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The rumours from developers had shown the different. They said this time will be change what we dunno what is it mean. Otherwise we won't heard that if it is same prefer as 360.
In CPU. PS3 had slight weak GPU than 360.
Insane Metal
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Yeah... that's possible.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Isn't this what most reasonable people always expected? Once that leaked PP came out, it clearly pointed toward this.
MS is positioning themselves as affordable with a reasonable amount of power. Plus, third-party games will almost assuredly look nearly identical to Orbis. It's not a bad place to be if they can undercut Sony's price.
I feel ashamed for even believing all the BS they were spouting. They should be called out for what they said.
The information here is 100% legit.
I do not know why people are so upset about the GPU. It looks like an efficient piece of hardware that should be more than sufficient to run some great looking next gen games thanks to optimization to target specs, resolution and framerate.
I am pretty certain it will run games like Watch Dogs and beyond more than adequately.
Power consumption or heat related maybe? It is still just a rumour though.
I am pretty certain it will run games like Watch Dogs and beyond more than adequately.
Power consumption or heat related maybe? It is still just a rumour though.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
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Because it has been 8 years and it seems Ms low balled gamers, but I guess everybody expected that.
Can Crusher
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There's no "built in Kinect". It's in the VGleaks diagram, I don't understand why people keep assuming MS is gonna put Kinect inside the case.
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