Sho_Nuff82
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That's some revisionist history if I've ever seen it.
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VGLeaks: Durango GPU detailed
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That's some revisionist history if I've ever seen it.
zomgbbqftw
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Reading the bolded made me think of something. It really doesn't make sense for MS to bet so much on an improved Kinect IMO. When the mainstream can rarely see the leaps we see in graphics with their own eyes, how are MS going to make them notice the difference in something they can't physically see (Kinect 2.0).
Just sounds like the more we find out about the next xbox, the more it sounds like they are making the wrong bets.
nelsonroyale
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McHuj
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I think Durango's GPU will be slightly better then the 7770. Even though the RAW flows are almost identical, I think with good use of the ESRAM, developers should be able to achieve better results than what they could have done with a straight up 7770.
While Orbis is by raw numbers more powerful, is the difference between a hypothetical 7770+ and a 7850 enough to make a substantial difference.
The latter.
So...
If 360's GPU is 100% (240GFLOPs)
Wii U's GPU is ~200% (400-480GFLOPs)
Durango's GPU is 500% (1.2TFLOPs)
and Orbis's GPU is 768% (1.843TFLOPs) (600% for graphics 1.433TFLOPs)
That means, Durango will be ~2.5X Wii U, and Orbis will be ~3X Wii U
We will know a bit more soon, but this seems to be how the generation is shaping up...
And While Wii was fixed function, it had only 12GFLOPs for the GPU, which is a theoretical performance climb of 20x to 360...
Just for fun... Durango is ~150 Gamecubes duct taped together (again fixed function is basically impossible to compare this way) Wii U is 60... and Wii was 1.5 gamecubes... Orbis is about 230 Gamecubes duct taped together... which btw is a large amount of duct tape.
If 360's GPU is 100% (240GFLOPs)
Wii U's GPU is ~200% (400-480GFLOPs)
Durango's GPU is 500% (1.2TFLOPs)
and Orbis's GPU is 768% (1.843TFLOPs) (600% for graphics 1.433TFLOPs)
That means, Durango will be ~2.5X Wii U, and Orbis will be ~3X Wii U
We will know a bit more soon, but this seems to be how the generation is shaping up...
And While Wii was fixed function, it had only 12GFLOPs for the GPU, which is a theoretical performance climb of 20x to 360...
Just for fun... Durango is ~150 Gamecubes duct taped together (again fixed function is basically impossible to compare this way) Wii U is 60... and Wii was 1.5 gamecubes... Orbis is about 230 Gamecubes duct taped together... which btw is a large amount of duct tape.
JonathanPower
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Why should it be cheaper to produce? Yes, Orbis has DDR5 which is expensive, but the ESRAM in Durango is also expensive to produce.
we.are.the.armada
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If Durango runs Windows 8, how taxing will that be on the system itself?
ptuck874
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360 over ps3 last time, this time, the other way around
I would say yes....I have no way of kwowing really. If you are building a PC with specs equivalent to those of the Orbis/Durango chances are the consoles will run a multiplatform game better.
Thankfully, PC hardware is ahead of those consoles and the gap in power will negate their architecture efficiency, that should mean (as usual) better looking multiplats on PC.
Higher resolution/framerate on high-end PCs of 2012 and I can't wait to see how the next batch of AMD/Nvidia GPUs compare to what's inside the Orbis/Durango.
metalslimer
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lol are people really saying MS is done because Sony is going to have more powerful hardware? What year do you think this is 2005?
JimmyRustler
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Well, it does actually. That's why the PS3 manged to catch up the one year advantage of Microsoft. They would have even before that if it wasn't for Kinect.
Power only doesn't matter if you have something else that makes up for it. The PS2 had all the games, Wii had the Wii-mote controls. What will Durango have?
Last time I did a comparison Orbis's GPU should be slight more than a 7850 on paper. But maybe some people are counting out 4 of the CUs wrt 'compute optimisation'.
Apophis2036
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I know what you mean but again the vast majority of gamers do not even read gaming news sites let alone care if a multi platform game runs at 5fps less on the system they have bought.
Quality games will always be the most important thing for a consoles launch, as Nintendo are finding out the hard way right now.
Herb Alpert
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reminds me of the vita.
When it was anounced it was clear for everybody that this had to be the leading platform for handheld gaming and that it would crush the 3DS.
Sony acts the same way, MS tries to play smart-ass.
When it was anounced it was clear for everybody that this had to be the leading platform for handheld gaming and that it would crush the 3DS.
Sony acts the same way, MS tries to play smart-ass.
Nope it's 1.8 Tflop just devided into 1.4 Tflop for GPU use and 400 Gflop for GPU and CPU use (still we don't know more in detail about that). If you want to divide it and say 1.4Tflop= 7770 is still wrong because thise 1.4Tflop will work on pure GFX without any physic and other stuff. So 1.4Tflop =/= 1.4Tflop
shinobi602
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The Xbox was the most powerful console during that gen, and the 360 has been on par with the PS3 for the most part. What are you talking about?
Sweet sweet Fios how I love the.
shinobi602
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That's not how it works. At all.
Are you the creator of the gif? It is very good job.
THE:MILKMAN
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Well aegies completely refutes that. He even told us Microsoft were saying to third parties that Durango would match the performance of a GTX680.
Unfortunately I don't understand the technicalities of GPU architectures, so even if these latest details are spot on I can't say it'll match a GTX680 in a closed box.
Rough especulation, but unless it's highly gimped it will most likely take 2 cores and 2-3 GB of RAM.
The Abominable Snowman
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Before I actually begin working, I believe Microsoft will evolve the Xbox in ways other than graphics. What we're seeing come up in the Durango is still a generational leap. A pretty big one, even if it's not as powerful as the Orbis. You'll see a much improved performance per FLOP as well as 6-8x the FLOPs. I'm not worried.
Building on the Kinect, assing cool features like Windows 8 RT and Illumiroom, and making a better ecosystem and integrating it better with your PC, Microsoft is building a winner.
Building on the Kinect, assing cool features like Windows 8 RT and Illumiroom, and making a better ecosystem and integrating it better with your PC, Microsoft is building a winner.
I thought so. It reads like the GCN expose on The Register. Nothing really exciting in todays update.
alexandros
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I would argue that it is disappointing across the board. It is by no means what you would expect from a brand new console. Even Orbis's GPU is nothing special in PC terms, imagine how disappointing Durango's seems right now.
Media capabilities; price.
PopcornMegaphone
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God damn, this is disappointing. Save me secret sauce!
I guess the dev who compared the systems as Game Cube vs Xbox were on to something.
I guess the dev who compared the systems as Game Cube vs Xbox were on to something.
Never said they were in panic mode. However, of course there's no doubt that they are going to be adjusting for these leaks. Even though these specs are only of interest to us, they've already hit the mainstream media. If the general consumer gets a whiff that PS4 is more powerful and is the same price, they'll buy it.
As a direct result of these leaks from Sony, Microsoft will be adjusting their plans, probably marketing primarily, in order to sway attention away from the specs.
Yeah, some of these statements are reminding of 2005/2006 all over again.
ptuck874
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I H8 Memes
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So it's looking like
PS3 = 240 fps
Next XBOX = 200 fps
Wii U = Zero fps. It will only have mario platformers.
All according to Pachter.
(Translator's note: Pachter mean bullshit)
PS3 = 240 fps
Next XBOX = 200 fps
Wii U = Zero fps. It will only have mario platformers.
All according to Pachter.
(Translator's note: Pachter mean bullshit)
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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BigTnaples
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How do you figure?
zomgbbqftw
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Kintects. Millions of them. Spying on you while you watch TV and gathering information on your eye movements to see which adverts you respond to so they can pump them onto the new Dashboard while you play games.
No both consoles seem to be developer friendly, though PS4 seems to be more developer friendly than Durango.
Also for the people saying Microsoft are concentrating on services. What more can you add. Obviously PS3 was disappointing in this deprtment, but I can bet they will offer better services on PS4. Vita has showed that it can multitask, take screenshots of a game, cross game chat, and has a Livearea hub for every game. I expect PS4 to take all this stuff further, there are already rumours of Sony wanting to push social networking on PS4 adn things like video sharing sound great. Of course Durango will likely be better, but I don't thing it matter as long as PS4 is good enough and not as bad as PS3.
McHuj
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It's those extra 4 CU's that I don't know how they fit into the place. Because if it's a 1.2 TF GPU vs a 1.4 TF GPU, the visuals will be identical (in terms of IQ).
It will be really interesting how Sony will utilize those 4 CUs, I could see Orbis with better physics and animations for stuff like hair, cloth, and breakable environments.
TGO
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On topic
How noticeable is this difference gonna be rated in Final Fantasy series graphics
Do you think it's possible Microsoft went out of it's way to highlight it as something special? I'd like to know from which developers Aegis was getting his information.
People that were not going to buy it regardless are saying they are not going to buy it? Well, that for saying it again!
metalslimer
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The only people who should be disapppointed in Orbis's GPU are those people that actually bought into the hype that PS4 was going to be some kind of 1000 dollar supercomputer for a price that normal people could buy it at.
Also back up a second, the PS2 always gets called out for being horribly weak, but has anyone ever looked at the fact that it came out over a year before the competition?
zomgbbqftw
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SunhiLegend made it. Who else!
TheLegendOfMart
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It might run Windows RT though.
ScepticMatt
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not quite right, see below
AMD is more comparable (same architecture)
Durango: 12CU@800MHz (1.23 TFLOPS), 16 ROP (12.8 GP/s)
HD 7770: 10CU@1000MHz (1.28 TFLOPS), 16 ROP (16 GP/s)
HD 7850: 16CU@860MHz (1.76 TFLOPS), 32 ROP (27.5 GP/s)
Orbis: 18CU@800MHz (1.84 TFLOPS), 32 ROP (25.6 GP/s)
So: Durango < HD 7770 << HD 7850 < Orbis
From my perspective this sound very very insider driven information.. The level of detail is pretty impressive ...
And from my perspective this is a pretty impressive GPU setup and feature list ... I really don't understand why people here are calling this bad when in my eyes its definitely not..
I can tweak an engine that would definitely deliver some avatar like quality graphics with this (assuming it also has a CPU counterpart as well thought out too, which im betting it does)...
JimmyRustler
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Media capabilities are overestimated when it comes to game consoles IMO. That stuff is important for mobile phones. And price? Say you have the new CoD on Durango here and the gimped 1080p version on Obrias there. Even for the casuals it's pretty clear which version will be bought.
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