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[KAL2006]

All those things on your list is what the current situation is right now between the two systems and it's not making a difference in terms of sales. No one can really predict how they're going to sell and if people see the value in the 720 over the PS4 then that's what they'll choose and vice versa. On paper the PS3 should be winning by all accounts but in the end they're pretty much tied.

Not really the XMB is quite outdated so PS3 is not really a good media centre in comparison to 360, with PS4 they can improve a lot. Vita has already shown they are capable of adding more features like cross chat, custom soundtrack, screenshot, Livearea social features. Also it didn't make a difference because Sony had a bad start, late launch, botched ports, overpriced and etc. This time a lot of things are in their favour, more power without botched ports (easy architecture), better media centre capabilities, release next to competition, comparable price compared to competition (my prediction here), and of course the things that make them better already PSN+ and free online.

 

[mrklaw]

I expect we'll see a 99 dollar version with a contract. They didn't test the waters with the 360 for nothing.

I think you give too much credit to companies for having grand long range plans and sticking to them. I'd expect the contract model was something they experimented with mid-cycle without thinking 'oh this is how we will launch 720' and you're reading too much into it.

 

[omonimo]

Not really the XMB is quite outdated so PS3 is not really a good media centre in comparison to 360, with PS4 they can improve a lot. Vita has already shown they are capable of adding more features like cross chat, custom soundtrack, screenshot, Livearea social features. Also it didn't make a difference because Sony had a bad start, late launch, botched ports, overpriced and etc. This time a lot of things are in their favour, more power without botched ports (easy architecture), better media centre capabilities, release next to competition, comparable price compared to competition (my prediction here), and of course the things that make them better already PSN+ and free online.

wat

 

[KAL2006]

wat

Sorry I meant overall OS, laggy, no cross chat, no custom soundtrack, and in my opinion Netflix app is inferior in comparison to 360's.

 

[i-Lo]

Sorry I meant overall OS, laggy, no cross chat, no custom soundtrack, and in my opinion Netflix app is inferior in comparison to 360's.

Agreed about the lack of cross chat and developer dictated custom soundtrack option but disagree about OS being laggy and absolutely, unequivocally, vehemently deny that the Netflix app on PS3 is inferior.

 

[KAL2006]

This is how I rate 360's and PS3's overall services, feature set and OS.
PS3 - 4/10
360 - 8/10

Then lets say next gen is
PS4 - 9/10
720 - 10/10

Would people give a fuck if 720 is a bit better, as long as the basic features like multitasking, social features, custom music and cross game chat are in PS4 would people care what else 720 offers.

 

[malyce]

Sorry I meant overall OS, laggy, no cross chat, no custom soundtrack, and in my opinion Netflix app is inferior in comparison to 360's.

XMB laggy? lol

 

[KAL2006]

Okay probably not XMB laggy but I do find the store and many apps like Netflix, BBC iPlayer, ITV player and 4OD to be laggy.

 

[Baconsammy]

Sorry I meant overall OS, laggy, no cross chat, no custom soundtrack, and in my opinion Netflix app is inferior in comparison to 360's.

Overall I find the entire 360 UI/App etc interface to be far superior to what I have on my PS3, but that's mostly due to Microsoft having a plan and sticking to it, whereas Sony was tacking stuff on to their original plan all generation, and it shows. Not sure what you mean by laggy XMB. PSN is most definitely laggy. One of the absolute worst online stores I've ever seen.

 

[Tripp Daily]

Yup. Their plan doesn't require them to have the most powerful hardware.

Can you elaborate? Do you have first hand knowledge of "the plan"?

 

[EvB]

Okay probably not XMB laggy but I do find the store and many apps like Netflix, BBC iPlayer, ITV player and 4OD to be laggy.

You can blame the godawful browser for those things running so badly.

 

[KAL2006]

Overall I find the entire 360 UI/App etc interface to be far superior to what I have on my PS3, but that's mostly due to Microsoft having a plan and sticking to it, whereas Sony was tacking stuff on to their original plan all generation, and it shows. Not sure what you mean by laggy XMB. PSN is most definitely laggy. One of the absolute worst online stores I've ever seen.

Exactly this is what I mean, that's why I am saying PS4 has much more too for improvement so the difference on having a better media centre and OS won't be key as Sony will play catchup, I know MS will continue to improve as well but how much more can you add. Sony have already shown they are willing to improve with Vita.

 

[Tripp Daily]

People don't put "power before everything else".

It's about making a consumer decision, because maybe the console with more powerful hardware will age better. This is specially important in a situation where there are 2 competing products being released at the same time.

Now, it is true that in the end software talks. Games are and will always be the most important aspect of a console, and it doesn't matter if a console is less powerful (even if it is noticeably so) IF said console happens to provide gamers with more and better games. Like the PS2 for example, it had more exclusives and it had more significant exclusives.

I believe that when some gamers here on neogaf express a disappointment in regards to MS's decisions with Durango (rumored decisions), comes mainly from the fact that MS doesn't provide more exclusives and now they don't even seem to be interested in providing as high performance hardware as its main competitor.

This will all wash away if comes E3 MS will be guns blazing with a new attitude when it comes to exclusives, but right now it looks what it looks like. It's not just about "power", it's about attitude.

I don't believe people take into account the entire life of a console when purchasing a new console. The only people I could see doing this is the "informed" group and even then I think brand loyalty may trump that feeling (sadly). I think what sells consoles is word of mouth advertising, hence the reason microsoft comes out swinging with new IPs to begin a console cycle and trails off near the end. Microsoft wants to get the system in everyones hand therefore convincing your friends to buy the same platform to play with you.

If people took the entire life of the console and sustained value into consideration the PS3 should have begun to destroy the 360 pretty quickly just based on how the life of the PS2 played out.

 

[KAL2006]

I don't believe people take into account the entire life of a console when purchasing a new console. The only people I could see doing this is the "informed" group and even then I think brand loyalty may trump that feeling (sadly). I think what sells consoles is word of mouth advertising, hence the reason microsoft comes out swinging with new IPs to begin a console cycle and trails off near the end. Microsoft wants to get the system in everyones hand therefore convincing your friends to buy the same platform to play with you.

If people took the entire life of the console and sustained value into consideration the PS3 should have begun to destroy the 360 pretty quickly just based on how the life of the PS2 played out.

That's probably why PS4 is launching early next to Durango, easy to develop for, and Sony has many internal developers who ain't released a game in a while. I have a feeling they want to come out swinging early aswell this time round.

 

[Clay Davis]

I'm sure they have a great reason for it, but is that reason tied to video games, or to something else?

First you have to assume they want Kinect available to every game without a performance hit, plus Kinect as an alternative to a traditional remote. That means Kinect needs it's own chunk of memory assigned specifically for it so that you don't see a graphical divide between Kinect and non-Kinect titles.

Second, you have the need to run DVR functionality that has been strongly rumored for a long time. Sony has a very efficient implementation of this on the PS3 already, but there is no guarantee that MS' implementation is as efficient, or that it's just basic DVR service, it could be something with expanded functionality.

Then you get into questions about the OS kernel. At this point I think it's highly likely that it'll be Windows 8 based. Consider MS' current overall corporate direction. Why would they fund Xbox 720 apps that can't also run as Windows 8 apps? Therefore the Xbox 720 needs at least cross compatibility of apps with Windows 8, and emulating that is less efficient than just building the OS off Windows 8. At that point the question is just how much Windows 8 are they putting in the box.

The rumored "display planes" feature also sounds like a real memory hog to me. My interpretation of that is MS' desire to use them for seamless plane switching. For example, you're playing Halo 5 online with your pals and one of them mentions a great new youtube video he saw yesterday. Instead of having to wait to view it after playing you can simply flip to a different, already running, web browsing plane and view the video while waiting for the next round to load.

Or lets say you're watching a blu-ray while your spouse/sibling/etc. wants to watch a video on the DVR. The Xbox 720 can without a hitch stream a pre-scaled version of the DVR'ed media to a compatible Windows 8 device.

The ultimate culmination of this that makes MS need to reserve a lot of assets is the power user. Someone who starts out watching a blu-ray, gets a friends list invite to play Halo 5 online, and during rounds flips over to the live broadcast football game that is running through the Xbox. You don't have to even close the Blu-ray if you buy Halo 5 via Xbox Live Arcade, instead it's progress is paused in the background waiting for you to flip back via a simple Kinect-sensitive snap of the wrist.

Picture the quick flipping you do on a tablet in high resolution with the Xbox 720 keeping all video at the current display setting for your TV regardless of it's native resolution (removing the need for those brief display refreshes), but instead of using a finger you use your hand and instead of flipping to angry birds or a web video that needs to buffer before being ready it's blu-ray movies, digital download movies, your whole music collection, your DVR, and all of your games. Just one flip and everything is there - instant gratification from all of your media.

All of that would eat up a lot of resources, and MS will obviously want some buffer to future proof themselves.

maybe I'm alone in thinking this, but this sounds bloody amazing. I really do hope this is what they have planned.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

People expecting the leaks to be accurate are probably going to be surprised by a lot of things.

Are you saying you don't believe any of the spec rumours or just there is still lots of stuff unknown?

 

[Dreaver]

Perhaps it's a very, very stupid question, but would it be possible to have a open world game like Fallout 3 with Uncharted (2) like graphics? Is that realistic? With current things we know?

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

Perhaps it's a very, very stupid question, but would it be possible to have a open world game like Fallout 3 with Uncharted (2) like graphics? Is that realistic? With current things we know?

See Watchdogs. I personally think these next gen consoles are being way undersold.

 

[Darth]

Perhaps it's a very, very stupid question, but would it be possible to have a open world game like Fallout 3 with Uncharted (2) like graphics? Is that realistic? With current things we know?

That would be amazing. Keep in mind you would need a massive budget to create such a world as well unless you want a lot of repeating environments/textures.

GTA VI sized world with Uncharted 2's gameplay and graphics, top notch AI as well.

 

[Reiko]

Are you saying you don't believe any of the spec rumours or just there is still lots of stuff unknown?

Expect DF Multiplat meltdowns.

 

[Tripp Daily]

That's probably why PS4 is launching early next to Durango, easy to develop for, and Sony has many internal developers who ain't released a game in a while. I have a feeling they want to come out swinging early aswell this time round.

I think that is entirely possible. it seems to me that with the PS4 sony is carbon copying the 360 model. Which leaves the only question of: are they on the right track or are they behind with Microsoft seeming to be taking a step in another direction? (not sure if I got my point across with that wording)

I think the difference in business plans is far more interesting than the differences in consoles this generation.

 

[Karak]

I think the difference in business plans is far more interesting than the differences in consoles this generation.

Agreed.

Perhaps it's a very, very stupid question, but would it be possible to have a open world game like Fallout 3 with Uncharted (2) like graphics? Is that realistic? With current things we know?

Technically it seems totally possible. Budget wise its a far more difficult question.

 

[Kung Fu Grip]

I'm sure they have a great reason for it, but is that reason tied to video games, or to something else?

First you have to assume they want Kinect available to every game without a performance hit, plus Kinect as an alternative to a traditional remote. That means Kinect needs it's own chunk of memory assigned specifically for it so that you don't see a graphical divide between Kinect and non-Kinect titles.

Second, you have the need to run DVR functionality that has been strongly rumored for a long time. Sony has a very efficient implementation of this on the PS3 already, but there is no guarantee that MS' implementation is as efficient, or that it's just basic DVR service, it could be something with expanded functionality.

Then you get into questions about the OS kernel. At this point I think it's highly likely that it'll be Windows 8 based. Consider MS' current overall corporate direction. Why would they fund Xbox 720 apps that can't also run as Windows 8 apps? Therefore the Xbox 720 needs at least cross compatibility of apps with Windows 8, and emulating that is less efficient than just building the OS off Windows 8. At that point the question is just how much Windows 8 are they putting in the box.

The rumored "display planes" feature also sounds like a real memory hog to me. My interpretation of that is MS' desire to use them for seamless plane switching. For example, you're playing Halo 5 online with your pals and one of them mentions a great new youtube video he saw yesterday. Instead of having to wait to view it after playing you can simply flip to a different, already running, web browsing plane and view the video while waiting for the next round to load.

Or lets say you're watching a blu-ray while your spouse/sibling/etc. wants to watch a video on the DVR. The Xbox 720 can without a hitch stream a pre-scaled version of the DVR'ed media to a compatible Windows 8 device.

The ultimate culmination of this that makes MS need to reserve a lot of assets is the power user. Someone who starts out watching a blu-ray, gets a friends list invite to play Halo 5 online, and during rounds flips over to the live broadcast football game that is running through the Xbox. You don't have to even close the Blu-ray if you buy Halo 5 via Xbox Live Arcade, instead it's progress is paused in the background waiting for you to flip back via a simple Kinect-sensitive snap of the wrist.

Picture the quick flipping you do on a tablet in high resolution with the Xbox 720 keeping all video at the current display setting for your TV regardless of it's native resolution (removing the need for those brief display refreshes), but instead of using a finger you use your hand and instead of flipping to angry birds or a web video that needs to buffer before being ready it's blu-ray movies, digital download movies, your whole music collection, your DVR, and all of your games. Just one flip and everything is there - instant gratification from all of your media.

All of that would eat up a lot of resources, and MS will obviously want some buffer to future proof themselves.

This is how I imagined the 720 will work. Everything will be accessible at all times 100% smoothly. When you think about it that way you can see why they need so much RAM for the OS.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

Expect DF Multiplat meltdowns.

But what does that have to do with anything? The VGLeaks spec rumours are legit aren't they. The mods here have said has much.

Sure they'll be additional surprises, but the base specs on VGLeaks are pretty firm.

 

[Maximilian E.]

Ok, some words thoughts here..

This coming generation will obviously not be defined with most advanced graphical capabilities, but both consoles will be capable in that department. For those who really want to push the gfx envelop, PC will be your home.


Now, this gen will be defined by expanding the gaming experience, making it more immersive. This coming gen will also be the hardest for companies to fight for our attention. We will have Steambox coming, Oculus Rift.. the "threat" from the pads and mobile etc etc.
So how can MS, Sony and Nintendo fight against this? What is the next step?

If we are looking at strategies here, MS seems to have the "best" established plan, like many others have pointed out. Yes, Kinect is part of this immersion, but also the IllumiRoom tech and even the Fortaleza glasses. All these things together can create an immersive experience that perhaps in unrivalled. That is what MS is betting on...

So yeah, most likely Kinect 2 will be included, but this Kinect will be far more precise and advanced than ever. All the things that were promised with Kinect1, will most likely be delivered with Kinect2 (thanks to the beefed up transfer speed and the more powerful tech in the sensors)...

The reason why MS bets on this is because everyone can create a more powerful HW, you just have to be willing to pay for it. But perhaps not everyone can create "the most immersive experience" in gaming yet. Yeah, it will be add ons but if everything is cool and dandy and delivers an unique experience, then we have another winning bet here, people are willing to pay for stuff that is "cool"..

So that is what the battle will be about.. immersive experience. Sony is a bit too hellbent on winning the tech-race but the thing is, Sonys machine will not be able to be that more powerful than Durango, to make multiplat games "impossible" on Durango. Maybe some effects will be missing, maybe a bit more FPS drops but all n all, it will be the same (like the difference between PS3 and 360).

But.. third parties will be able to create experiences on Durango (if we implement all the surronding stuff like Kinect, Illumiroom and fortaleza) that Sony just will not be able to match...

So in the end, yeah, the PC will be the tech king.. but it will never have the chance to be an immersive platform. And yeah, Sonys machine is perhaps slightly more powerful, but any game that can be made there, can be duplicated on Durango, perhaps with some slight slight difference.

But if MS can deliver an experience with all the KinectIlluLeza stuff.. then that is something that cannot be matched by the others..

So this gen will be much more about the graphics and such.. and the company that will be the most immersive will win. This does not mean that MS will win, but it does seem that they have positioned themselves far better than Sony...

 

[Reiko]

But what does that have to do with anything? The VGLeaks spec rumours are legit aren't they. The mods here have said has much.

Sure they'll be additional surprises, but the base specs on VGLeaks are pretty firm.

They're legit. But as always... Things can change.

 

[coldfoot]

I'd like to know how exactly the PS3 Netflix app is inferior to the 360, which until recently, crushed the colors of video content played on netflix and did not even support 1080p.
They are both easy to use and serve the same purpose, and watching Netflix on the PS3 is cheaper, so it wins. In fact, the PS3 interface is very similar/same to the Netflix UI on many Smart TV's and iPad/Android tablets, so it's more easy to get used to for a consumer who's accustomed to the interface on their tablet.

 

[alphaNoid]

This is how I rate 360's and PS3's overall services, feature set and OS.
PS3 - 4/10
360 - 8/10

Then lets say next gen is
PS4 - 9/10
720 - 10/10

Would people give a fuck if 720 is a bit better, as long as the basic features like multitasking, social features, custom music and cross game chat are in PS4 would people care what else 720 offers.

This post assumes that Sony in 2013 simply catches up to MS and Live circa 2005, and that Live never really advances. Its a common mistake around GAF, to assume that eventually PSN will have to catch Live.. and that Live will simply cease to evolve.

Remember, that MS is right now as we're speaking unifying all of their platforms for the first time.. well ever. Windows Phone 8, Windows 8, Surface.. hell the old XBox 360 from 2005 even connects into some services and it was engineered 7-8 years ago. The new Xbox is most certainly going to tap into these other platforms and offer feature that Sony is very likely unable to even fathom. Beyond unifying platforms, one can certainly expect that MS is going to introduce a number of new key Live features to further evolve the service. They've had guys like Dave Cutler working on the Xbox/cloud team for nearly 2 years. That guy invented Windows NT and other key tech throughout the last 15 years. Top industry brains, working in gaming divisions. Thats a radical change compared to 2005 when this gen started. What I'm getting at is, MS and Xbox Live are not what they were in 2005 when the 360 launched. They have invested tremendous amount of brain power and money into the Xbox division, buliding out an entire Xbox campus in Redmond and filling it with talent up the wazoo.

I'm sure Sony is doing the same too, or what it can. But Sony isn't a software giant, they are a hardware company, developing software in 2013 and trying to keep up with the competition. Catching up with what the competition was doing 8 years earlier isn't really something to brag about. PSN has come a long, long way and hats off to Sony. I hope they have the money, the talent and the vision for PSN to surpass Live this next gen.. but I just don't think its possible.

I may eat crow, and thats fine. I'm ok with being wrong, its healthy I suppose. But I suspect that the biggest differences between the PS4 and next Xbox aren't going to pixel density, texture size, RAM speeds or other things.. its going to be the services provided, the overall features, integration and implementation of it all that will set the two apart. I think the OS's on these 2 consoles are going to be center stage next gen, both of them need to bring it.

I said it in another thread, but these consoles have got to at least match what my smartphone can do already, else they're facing an uphill battle. Live and PSN will probably garner as much if not more attention then actual games, thats how important they have become. We as enthusiasts shouldn't assume we've reached any kind of ceiling with these services. Quite honestly as graphic leaps slow down each gen, its quite the opposite for services. The sky is the limit, these consoles are being setup to do a LOT more than gaming. And despite what many here might say, thats a great thing and the way the market is heading.

Service rating should not be X/10, because 10 indicates some kind of ceiling. It will be interesting to see which, either Sony or Microsoft has the better vision for the console of tomorrow. A vision driven by its services.

 

[SlickShoesRUCrazy]

sounds absolutely horrible. Just another gen of gimmicks.

I can deal with the whole media stuff, offering iTV services and what, but the sacrifice of hardware for shitty gimmicks, sorry, I just can't get excited for that.

kinect + illumni room + the vr glasses. You really think all that stuff will be priced reasonably for the general consumer? please.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

They're legit. But as always... Things can change.

Well in the case of Durango's GPU we now know the docs are possibly ~1 year old, but lherre has said the specs didn't change. And today these consoles are in the early stages of manufacturing.

 

[StevieP]

They're legit. But as always... Things can change.

Not really, no. Not the major stuff at least. The major stuff has been locked down for a little while now for the purpose of development.

 

[szaromir]

This post assumes that Sony in 2013 simply catches up to MS and Live circa 2005, and that Live never really advances. Its a common mistake around GAF, to assume that eventually PSN will have to catch Live.. and that Live will simply cease to evolve.
Remember, that MS is right now as we're speaking unifying all of their platforms for the first time.. well ever. Windows Phone 8, Windows 8, Surface.. hell the old XBox 360 from 2005 even connects into some services and it was engineered 7-8 years ago. The new Xbox is most certainly going to tap into these other platforms and offer feature that Sony is very likely unable to even fathom.

That's not much of an advantage when most of potential customers have an iOS or an Android device in their pocket.

 

[coldfoot]

Remember, that MS is right now as we're speaking unifying all of their platforms for the first time.. well ever. Windows Phone 8, Windows 8, Surface.. hell the old XBox 360 from 2005 even connects into some services and it was engineered 7-8 years ago. The new Xbox is most certainly going to tap into these other platforms and offer feature that Sony is very likely unable to even fathom. Beyond unifying platforms, one can certainly expect that MS is going to introduce a number of new key Live features to further evolve the service. Service rating should not be X/10, because 10 indicates some kind of ceiling. It will be interesting to see which, either Sony or Microsoft has the better vision for the console of tomorrow. A vision driven by its services.

That vision is limited by what people would want to do in front of their TV's besides playing games and watching videos/movies. Unless MS can figure something innovative to do in front of the TV that's as big as the original iPhone was for a phone, you're not going to be doing much besides playing or watching in front of a TV, and 95% of that is already served by Live.

 

[Kung Fu Grip]

They're legit. But as always... Things can change.

What type of extra power are you expecting that's not in these leaks that will make "multiplat meltdowns"?

I'm Just trying to understand you. I'm not one to believe rumored specs as final until announced by the companies themselves, but I don't think either console will cause that.

 

[Reiko]

What type of extra power are you expecting that's not in these leaks that will make "multiplat meltdowns"?

I'm Just trying to understand you. I'm not one to believe rumored specs as final until announced by the companies themselves, but I don't think either console will cause that.

Multiplat meltdowns as in "why is System A performing better than System B because the specs I read said System B would perform better".

And then 2 years down:

"Lazy Devs"

This gen on repeat.

 

[phosphor112]

Not really the XMB is quite outdated so PS3 is not really a good media centre in comparison to 360, with PS4 they can improve a lot. Vita has already shown they are capable of adding more features like cross chat, custom soundtrack, screenshot, Livearea social features. Also it didn't make a difference because Sony had a bad start, late launch, botched ports, overpriced and etc. This time a lot of things are in their favour, more power without botched ports (easy architecture), better media centre capabilities, release next to competition, comparable price compared to competition (my prediction here), and of course the things that make them better already PSN+ and free online.

Wut

Sorry I meant overall OS, laggy, no cross chat, no custom soundtrack, and in my opinion Netflix app is inferior in comparison to 360's.

Errr...

Okay probably not XMB laggy but I do find the store and many apps like Netflix, BBC iPlayer, ITV player and 4OD to be laggy.

o__o

PS3's netflix is THE BEST Netflix that is available. Netflix tests all their new features out on PS3 before bringing them to others. 5.1, Subs, Android remote control, and it runs perfectly smoothly.

 

[JaggedSac]

The main thing I am hoping MS adds to the nextbox OS is WinRT. That would make it easy for devs to port from W8/RT to it. Mainly just interface adjustments for controller/Kinect/voice. Plex client would be great on there. Never really realized how much I used the "XBox Stop", "XBox Play" until I don't have it, lol. And hopefully it would be a buy once play everywhere situation like between W8/RT, and I don't see that being an issue if they are all on the same marketplace.


I've never used the PS3 Netflix, but the 360 one sucks donkey balls. Whoever designed that thing should be placed in a burlap sack and beaten with reeds.

 

[KageMaru]

I can't believe there are people out there who believe the Netflix app on the 360 is actually superior.

I'd like to know how exactly the PS3 Netflix app is inferior to the 360, which until recently, crushed the colors of video content played on netflix and did not even support 1080p.
They are both easy to use and serve the same purpose, and watching Netflix on the PS3 is cheaper, so it wins. In fact, the PS3 interface is very similar/same to the Netflix UI on many Smart TV's and iPad/Android tablets, so it's more easy to get used to for a consumer who's accustomed to the interface on their tablet.

The gamma issue hasn't been a problem on the 360 ever since it was fixed after the initial launch of the metro dashboard. This isn't something that has only recently been fixed, let's be honest now...

 

[coldfoot]

I can't believe there are people out there who believe the Netflix app on the 360 is actually superior.



The gamma issue hasn't been a problem on the 360 ever since it was fixed after the initial launch of the metro dashboard. This isn't something that has only recently been fixed, let's be honest now...

Recent compared to how long the Netflix app has been available on consoles. The color issue was fixed in 2012, so I'd consider it recently...

 

[Kung Fu Grip]

Multiplat meltdowns as in "why is System A performing better than System B because the specs I read said System B would perform better".

And then 2 years down:

"Lazy Devs"

This gen on repeat.

Not going to happen man. The PS4 is not the rubix cube that PS3 was.

 

[szaromir]

Multiplat meltdowns as in "why is System A performing better than System B because the specs I read said System B would perform better".

And then 2 years down:

"Lazy Devs"

This gen on repeat.

GAF blaming developers and not Sony for the situation was uberhilarious.

 

[Reiko]

Not going happen to man. The PS4 is not the rubix cube that PS3 was.

It happens every gen.

 

[jaypah]

Sometimes it's hard to remember which one of these threads I clicked on. I'm interested in seeing how these consoles will differentiate themselves from each other. Since I plan on buying both at launch (lol so risky) I'd like them to not be carbon copies of each other.

 

[JaggedSac]

Recent compared to how long the Netflix app has been available on consoles. The color issue was fixed in 2012, so I'd consider it recently...

The issue was introduced in the Dec 2011 update though. A year is still a long time, but it wasn't like it was there since the 360 launch.

 

[KageMaru]

Recent compared to how long the Netflix app has been available on consoles. The color issue was fixed in 2012, so I'd consider it recently...

Yeah it was Feb 2012, I guess that could be considered recent for some.

 

[BradleyLove]

Not really the XMB is quite outdated so PS3 is not really a good media centre in comparison to 360, with PS4 they can improve a lot. Vita has already shown they are capable of adding more features like cross chat, custom soundtrack, screenshot, Livearea social features. Also it didn't make a difference because Sony had a bad start, late launch, botched ports, overpriced and etc. This time a lot of things are in their favour, more power without botched ports (easy architecture), better media centre capabilities, release next to competition, comparable price compared to competition (my prediction here), and of course the things that make them better already PSN+ and free online.

Lol. 360 won't even play AAC audio from my NAS thus rendering my entire iTunes collection unavailable for 360. PS3 has no problem.

And let's not even get started on blu-ray, DVD upscaling, MP4/AVI/xVid/DivX playback...

 

[Gemüsepizza]

Multiplat meltdowns as in "why is System A performing better than System B because the specs I read said System B would perform better".

Oh, are we back to wizard jizz?

And then 2 years down:

"Lazy Devs"

This gen on repeat.

I don't think you understand how similar those consoles seem to be. They have the same CPU. They have the same GPU architecture. You can probably run your code with little to no changes on the other platform. The power advantage of the PS4 will almost automatically make games run better. There is nothing indicating that we will see a repeat of the current generation.

 

[CrunchinJelly]

Oh, are we back to wizard jizz?



I don't think you understand how similar those consoles seem to be. They have the same CPU. They have the same GPU architecture. You can probably run your code with little to no changes on the other platform. The power advantage of the PS4 will almost automatically make games run better.

So you're starting the lazy devs argument already?

 

[Baconsammy]

Wut


PS3's netflix is THE BEST Netflix that is available. Netflix tests all their new features out on PS3 before bringing them to others. 5.1, Subs, Android remote control, and it runs perfectly smoothly.

Good god no. UI alone makes it one of my least favorites. I'll take the Apple TV Netflix UI over it any day of the week.

 

[Reiko]

Oh, are we back to wizard jizz?



I don't think you understand how similar those consoles seem to be. They have the same CPU. They have the same GPU architecture. You can probably run your code with little to no changes on the other platform. The power advantage of the PS4 will almost automatically make games run better.

Wizard Jizz, Developer incompetence, whatever you like.

The meltdowns should be hilarious.