I agree, the 360 is not a very good media center. The number of formats that play natively on there is lacking. It even renders PlayTo from W8 pretty much useless. Some like the Windows Media Center Extender on there, but I never cared for it, very slow.
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VGLeaks: Durango GPU detailed
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I agree, the 360 is not a very good media center. The number of formats that play natively on there is lacking. It even renders PlayTo from W8 pretty much useless. Some like the Windows Media Center Extender on there, but I never cared for it, very slow.
AZ Greg
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It isn't that simple. They need to innovate as well. Nobody predicted private/party chat going into this generation and yet it turned out to be an awesome feature. If Sony just has the PS4 online experience playing catch up to the 360 (Sort of like they had the PS3 online experience playing catch up with the original Xbox) then it won't mean much if the 720 ends up having innovative software leaps that lead to a new feature that becomes the next-gen version of private/party chat in terms of impact.
Gemüsepizza
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What? How are devs lazy when one system is objectively faster than the other?
Doesn't that depend on the hardware? PS3 is hard to develop on, Orbis is easy to develop on compare to its predecessor
Gemüsepizza
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Again, what part of "same architecture" do you not understand? What do you mean with "real world performance"?
Anything can have a wrench thrown into the equation.
MGS2 ran better on PS2, despite the Xbox being easier to develop for, had beefier specs on paper, and outclassed the PS2 in real world performance.
Gemüsepizza;47347923 said:
I hope you're right.
Real world performance is the games running on the hardware as you're playing them.
yurinka
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I love to watch BluRay movies on 360
Gemüsepizza
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Doesn't the PS2 have a bandwidth advantage? -> It had better specs on paper in this area.
And I love how easy Xbox 360 connects to my Windows Media Server.
Gemüsepizza;47348100 said:
Correct. I think the problem here is reading Orbis specs and implying that they are superior to Durango specs on all counts.
Ilherre did say that both consoles will have their own little quirks which will show up in multiplat comparisons. Take that info as you will.
Bro - it's 2013. We have way better tools for cross-platform engines than we did a decade ago.
You cannot seriously be trying to draw a comparison from that era, can you? Tools have come such a long way since then.
Just sayin man - these are different times. Look at how close multiplats are this gen with wildly... wildly different hardware architecture. Now look at how close of an apples/apples comparison we have with Durango/Orbis...
See what everyone is saying?
And despite that... Anything can happen.
I know it sounds crazy. But we have no idea what will happen.
Just think of how demanding these new engines might be, and which console setup will best suit it.
Exclusives are a different story though.
Kung Fu Grip
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Unless you know something we don't and can't see in both systems rumored specs, you're just talking nonsense. Way ahead of time at that.
With all due respect.
I could for all intents be talking nonsense. Or I could be making alot of sense.
We'll just have to see.
Tripolygon
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And PS3 connects to Sony Home Media Server, PMS, Flex, Nero Media Server heck even Windows Media Player aka any DLNA complaint software. Your point?
tinfoilhatman
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Don't bother most of these people have probably never even seen an Apple TV, yes the Netflix(and every other app interface) interface is FAR superior to any of the game consoles especially when paired with a iPad.
I know that anything can happen - but right now all we have to go on is leaked specs so we have to discuss these at face value with the information we have and if that information is an apples/apples comparison - well we all know how it plays out.
I think everyone here understands that "anything can happen" - but why even bother discussing anything or even making these threads if we aren't going to discuss what we know and instead focus on what we think we don't know? The whole point of this thread is to discuss the information at hand.
Yeah I understand it could be very expensive, but it would be more than happy if next gen consoles CAN produce those kind of graphics.
I'd drool over Fallout 4 with those graphics + a decent framerate.phosphor112
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So every version that's not the 360 and Apple TV version is your least favorite? Bahaha. The Apple TV version has all the shows hidden behind submenus. It's easy to just scroll through on the current netflix of most devices and see what they have to offer.
PS3 connects to it just fine. Every time I open my laptop it automatically pops up in the media columns.
And here I thought you knew what you're talking about.
Stop while you're ahead.
PS2's vram bandwidth ran laps around anything Xbox, Wii, PS3 and 360 offered.
PS2 had 48GB/s while PS3 and 360 were at 22 and 25(22)GB/s.
Pls. Stahp.
So long as it provides full BC and doesn't cost much. Heck, I'd bite every few years for 199 - I already buy a new phone every 2 years so it wouldn't be that bad. If they do this - they might go with some type of subscription model.
I would rather see this happen every 4 years instead of every 2 since it allows for a greater leap in research and technology. Would not be that bad for those that don't mind subs.
All right phosphor.
I hope everything is completely straightforward like you assume.
I want it to be
But a gut feeling is telling me it won't.
Karak
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Yeah I understand it could be very expensive, but it would be more than happy if next gen consoles CAN produce those kind of graphics.
Closed systems with these specs and the proper devs. I don't see why not. First gen...probably not. But after a bit of time.
I don't think the MS shareholders would like that idea very much (Cant see 3rd parties liking it either).
Beer Monkey
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Please. You make your moneys on console hardware after you revise the hardware two or three times to take advantage of improvements in fabrication. Your feeling is very wrong.
phosphor112
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Just like how straightforward you seem to be making it?
Kung Fu Grip
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Pretty much. I'm still trying to understand, Reiko. He's talking as if there's some magic that 720 will have that will give them the upper hand. All the latest leaks of both systems don't show any of them having a real significant advantage.
Hardware manufacturers in other tech segments do it, Nintendo do it, why can't Microsoft?
This is what my wife said out of nowhere the second she read the specs, and she has a good track record of being right (I hate to admit it). Strangely, I have a huge suspicion this is the plan now.
It makes sense.
Karak
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I don't know your wife. But I like the cut of her jib.
Beer Monkey
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Yeah. The logical assumption is that the systems will be very comparable. Both companies have access to top notch hardware architects. The only way one would be much more powerful is if it were substantially more expensive, and neither of them would want that.
He's right about real world performance. Xbox ran circles around PS2 in real world performance.
I also love your campaigning how embedded RAM in Durango doesn't matter yet now you are providing figures including embedded RAM for PS2.
There is no fucking magic sauce in the 720, lol. What I am saying is despite what we see on paper it wouldn't be surprising to see one that's not supposed to be performing well on paper performing better than the more powerful console.
Whether it's one game or many. There is a chance that this can happen.
HollovVpo1nt
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Beer Monkey
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Gemüsepizza
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It's 32MB eSRAM with 102GB/s. PS4 has 4GB with 176GB/s.
Angelus Errare
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This?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_GUuJyyyRQ
Unless there was a UI refresh I'm unaware of this looks horrible. The store front looks decent. Apple needs to kill off the whole shiny gradient nonsense. This isn't 2000 anymore.
Given the importance of physics and other computing intensive tasks, I think Durango will almost certainly include its own auxiliary module (the equivalent to the 4 modified CUs of Orbis). That's the only explanation as to why the consoles would be really close in terms of performance.
Comparable GPUs (perhaps a slight Orbis advantage), equivalent resources freeing blocs, identical CPUs and similarily efficient RAM setups.
Hence the "Orbis is slightly more powerful" comment.
Comparable GPUs (perhaps a slight Orbis advantage), equivalent resources freeing blocs, identical CPUs and similarily efficient RAM setups.
Hence the "Orbis is slightly more powerful" comment.
Lord Error
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I suspect this as well. There's reasons not to do it regardless, but with profitable hardware, the main reason not to do it is not there anymore.
he's saying "you never know" and you're basically saying "yes we do". "You never know" isn't straight forward at all. It's like the exact opposite.
Not that I care which is more powerful because I don't have a horse in this race. I'm just hoping that everyone can at least keep their passions in check so they aren't banned for the 20th. This thread has more talk about Orbis that Durango! I just hope it doesn't all bubble over into a big shit-fest because as fun as that is to watch I don't want it at the expense of posters that I like reading.
That's not what I said, I said that you can make money before having to wait for fabrication costs to reduce.
I don't think it's out of the realms of possibility that they could upgrade specs on say a 2 year basis.
If Steambox comes out, that will.
Of course. People thinking MS has no idea what they're doing and have just completely dropped the ball aren't being reasonable.
By most rumors Kinect is going to be in every box. They've extolled the virtues of Kinect as the remote. How does this not paint a very clear picture where the Xbox 720 effectively turns your big screen TV into the same kind of page based interface we see on iOS and Android devices? The only difference is that instead of providing it to you on a small format with games like Fruit Ninja and Angry Birds as the top of the segment they'll provide something much closer to Epic's Dark Knight video with 1080p blu-ray, 5.1 or better sound, etc..
And instead of using your finger to swipe back and forth a snap of the wrist, recognized by Kinect, flips "pages" and a voice command can execute most apps without even returning to the home menu.
In the youtube video while playing Halo 5 example I gave, imagine being able to just say: "Xbox, youtube search X video in background" and have the system do that for you without disrupting your game. Then when the round ends you can gesture to bring up the youtube plane that it opened per your previous request, or you can voice command it to bring up youtube, just waiting for you to say "Play" to run the video.
The potential here is the pinnacle of media convergence. The question is if the market is ready for it, and if the power gap Sony has over them will be too much for the average consumer to ignore.
If it does, it's not in the GPU.
So what happens to those who abstain from upgrading their console?
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