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MegaTen x Fire Emblem announced (Wii U)

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ShockingAlberto

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Metroid In A Glass Tube said:
The only Tensi Sagi blah blah game i've played is Persona 1 on PSX and some DS title with a space crew going into some hellish world.

Never played a fire emblem game.

Where should I start to get a feel for both series?
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Awakening seems like a good starting point for Fire Emblem.

If you don't have access to a 3DS but do for some reason have access to a GBA, then FE7 (just "Fire Emblem" in the states) is good. My personal favorite is Path of Radiance on the Gamecube, but there's disagreement on that. I would not recommend Radiant Dawn on Wii until you have finished PoR.

Edit: Just realized I mentioned every FE game released in the west except Sacred Stones (FE8) and Shadow Dragon (DS). Sacred Stones isn't bad.
 
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markatisu

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Metroid In A Glass Tube said:
The only Tensi Sagi blah blah game i've played is Persona 1 on PSX and some DS title with a space crew going into some hellish world.

Never played a fire emblem game.

Where should I start to get a feel for both series?
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Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance for the Gamecube is a very good place to start, its how my wife got hooked on the series. Whatever FE game you choose just make sure its the first one for whatever storyline/characters are in it, some continue across games (like Radiant Dawn for the Wii)
 
cj_iwakura

cj_iwakura

Member
Metroid In A Glass Tube said:
The only Tensi Sagi blah blah game i've played is Persona 1 on PSX and some DS title with a space crew going into some hellish world.

Never played a fire emblem game.

Where should I start to get a feel for both series?
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The GBA game, 'Fire Emblem', was my first, and is fantastic. Also has the 'you are the strategist' thing that's in Awakening.
 
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Bleep

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LuchaShaq said:
If this game has a heavy persona focus it will be the first wiiU game to interest me hmmm
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So far it has zero! I hope it lets some of the main line Megami Tensei games get the focus, Persona already gets a lot of support so it would be nice seeing some of the other games get attention. It will be nice to see the Demi-Fiend appear in another game!
 
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Metroid In A Glass Tube

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ShockingAlberto said:
Awakening seems like a good starting point for Fire Emblem.

If you don't have access to a 3DS but do for some reason have access to a GBA, then FE7 (just "Fire Emblem" in the states) is good. My personal favorite is Path of Radiance on the Gamecube, but there's disagreement on that. I would not recommend Radiant Dawn on Wii until you have finished PoR.

Edit: Just realized I mentioned every FE game released in the west except Sacred Stones (FE8) and Shadow Dragon (DS). Sacred Stones isn't bad.
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Awesome, I was actually considering picking up the 3DS bundle here in NA. Why oh WHY does it have to be a normal model tho and not an XL :(
 
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Ninjimbo

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YoungBlade said:
Dude what

Valkyria Chronicles has nothing to do with Atlus/IS
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Yeah, I know. I'm talking about the quality of VC's art-style and presentation. I would be stoked if this crossover game shot for a similar kind of quality when it came to graphics. I still think VC is one of the best looking games of the gen.
 
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Codeblue

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ShockingAlberto said:
Awakening seems like a good starting point for Fire Emblem.

If you don't have access to a 3DS but do for some reason have access to a GBA, then FE7 (just "Fire Emblem" in the states) is good. My personal favorite is Path of Radiance on the Gamecube, but there's disagreement on that. I would not recommend Radiant Dawn on Wii until you have finished PoR.

Edit: Just realized I mentioned every FE game released in the west except Sacred Stones (FE8) and Shadow Dragon (DS). Sacred Stones isn't bad.
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I think Sacred Stones is probably a better starting point that FE7. It's easier, you can grind if you're really bad at it, better characters (the story is not as good though), and it doesn't end in a cliffhanger that requires an import to resolve.

But yeah, Path of Radiance is a great starting point and the best in the series as far as English releases. Too bad it costs an arm and a leg to get it.
 
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decoyplatypus

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Codeblue said:
I think Sacred Stones is probably a better starting point that FE7. It's easier, you can grind if you're really bad at it, better characters (the story is not as good though), and it doesn't end in a cliffhanger that requires an import to resolve.

But yeah, Path of Radiance is a great starting point and the best in the series as far as English releases. Too bad it costs an arm and a leg to get it.
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I wouldn't call the end of FE7 a cliffhanger. The game's story is complete in itself (no one is dangling off any cliffs at the end). It's just got a tip of the hat to events later in the timeline.
 
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Dantis

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MagiusNecros said:
SMT is main series.

Persona is subseries.

Hence 2 different series.

Not hard to understand.
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I don't understand, actually.

Are you suggesting that it is completely impossible that there will be crossover? Because that's silly. There's been crossovers in various previous games, but there can't be any in a game centered around crossovers?
 
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Codeblue

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decoyplatypus said:
I wouldn't call the end of FE7 a cliffhanger. The game's story is complete in itself (no one is dangling off any cliffs at the end). It's just got a tip of the hat to events later in the timeline.
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When I say Cliffhanger, I mean it ended on a suspenseful note. Here's the ending (Spoilers obviously)

So to recap (Again Spoilers)
The prophecy is that war will come from Bern and Lycia will have the burden of stopping it. Prince Zephial was assassinated but three days later the story flips and he's ok but the king is dead, Zephial has summoned a demon dragon and looks totally shady at the end talking to an enigmatic man.
It was certainly a nod in Japan, but I was dying to find out what they already knew years ago.
 
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decoyplatypus

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Codeblue said:
When I say Cliffhanger, I mean it ended on a suspenseful note. Here's the ending (Spoilers obviously)

So to recap (Again Spoilers)
The prophecy is that war will come from Bern and Lycia will have the burden of stopping it. Prince Zephial was assassinated but three days later the story flips and he's ok but the king is dead, Zephial has summoned a demon dragon and looks totally shady at the end talking to an enigmatic man.
It was certainly a nod in Japan, but I was dying to find out what they already knew years ago.
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Fair enough. I guess someone who didn't already know the relationship between FE6 and 7 would be disappointed to learn that he or she couldn't leap right into the story teased at the end. I just think it's important to distinguish between stories that are, from a dramatic standpoint, complete in themselves, and those that actually require the player to continue on to a different title for resolution. To me, steering people away from FE7 because of the tease at the end is closer to steering them away from Path or Radiance (if for some reason they couldn't access Radiant Dawn) than it is to sparing them from, I don't know, a hypothetical version of FE4 where only the first half was available in English.
 
MagiusNecros

MagiusNecros

Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Dantis said:
I don't understand, actually.

Are you suggesting that it is completely impossible that there will be crossover? Because that's silly. There's been crossovers in various previous games, but there can't be any in a game centered around crossovers?
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Persona containing the same monsters would seem to be the only similarity between the 2.

Not saying it's impossible. Just saying it's highly unlikely.

Likely the deciding factor is the moniker of games that retain the SMT prefix.
 
cj_iwakura

cj_iwakura

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Agreed, SMT alone gives them plenty to work with, and I think they work far better with FE than Persona. (Especially SMT IV given the medieval backdrop.)
 
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Blood Diamonds

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kunonabi said:
i'd love to see them back as long as they left out the japanese mark. i hated his design.
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Hours Left

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Femmeworth said:
I hope they keep Persona characters out of it, modern Persona doesn't need the exposure. Relatively speaking.
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I can see what you're saying, and I generally feel the same, but I think Persona characters would actually bring more attention to Fire Emblem and MegaTen.

There are a lot of people that just play Persona, and nothing else MegaTen, and there inclusion might give the series as a whole (and Fire Emblem) some more exposure.
 
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Zoramon089

Banned
Dantis said:
I don't understand, actually.

Are you suggesting that it is completely impossible that there will be crossover? Because that's silly. There's been crossovers in various previous games, but there can't be any in a game centered around crossovers?
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I see the games like Mario and Yoshi. Technically both could fall under Mario but they both have their own established series
 
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zroid

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It's been there since the Nintendo Direct. All the games that were revealed or announced can be pre-ordered, including X, Zelda Wii U, Yarn Yoshi, etc.
 
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chrono01

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Zeer0id said:
It's been there since the Nintendo Direct. All the games that were revealed or announced can be pre-ordered.
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Wow, they don't waste any time, huh?

I'll wait until it gets closer to release, just in-case some exclusive pre-order bonuses are announced [I would love an artbook, personally]. That seems to be the popular thing to do these days, after all.
 
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cjkeats

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Jamix012 said:
Mega Man is main series

Mega Man X is subseries

Hence the same universe and thus in a mega man crossover I'd not be surprised to see both of them.

Similar concept.
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No. Megaman X takes place in the future after Megaman.
Persona isn't even called Shin Megami Tensi, it just features the same demons and simliar gameplay systems as those games. Completely separate from SMT universe-wise.

Persona characters probably won't show up, but I doubt there's much of this game even planned yet, so you never know.
We have a better chance of Raidou showing up. Whcih would be awesome.
 
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Nerazar

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Persona would not fit into it... besides, they have shown some characters who could be part of the game in the teaser, haven't they?

Either way, I'm looking forward to it =)
 
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Draxal

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Man, reading this thread just makes me desire FE6-7 remake done Awakening/Genealogy of the Holy War style with the second generation.
 
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Nairume

Banned
cjkeats said:
Persona isn't even called Shin Megami Tensi, it just features the same demons and simliar gameplay systems as those games. Completely separate from SMT universe-wise.
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That's not entirely true, actually.

Persona, along with some of the Devil Summoners, takes place in the same universe as the main SMT games, but on a branched timeline.
 
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TreIII

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I think it's safer to presume that they're just sticking with SMT. Which is just fine, in my opinion.

Of course, what I would think would be an even nicer touch? If at least Akemi and Yumiko from the very first Megami Tensei game were included.

It just would seem more proper if those two got to meet Marth and Sheeda....
 
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cjkeats

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Nairume said:
Not true, actually.

Persona, along with some of the Devil Summoners, takes place on an alternate timeline from the main SMT timeline.
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Really? Does it say this in any of the games at all?
How does Devil Survivor fit into all this?

TreIII said:
I think it's safer to presume that they're just sticking with SMT. Which is just fine, in my opinion.

Of course, what I would think would be an even nicer touch? If at least Akemi and Yumiko from the very first Megami Tensei game were included.

It just would seem more proper if those two got to meet Marth and Sheeda....
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Word. I thought this too.
 
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Nairume

Banned
cjkeats said:
Really? Does it say this in any of the games at all?
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The first Devil Summoner addresses that there was a change that caused the appocalyptic events of SMT1 to not happen and thus created a timeline where the modern world went on with demons slowly intermingling amongst society.

Persona takes place in this timeline.

How does Devil Survivor fit into all this?
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Nothing direct yet, but

SMT3 established the existence of a multiverse that technically connects every game in the entire franchise.
 
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cjkeats

Member
Nairume said:
The first Devil Summoner addresses that there was a change that caused the appocalyptic events of SMT1 to not happen and thus created a timeline where the modern world went on with demons slowly intermingling amongst society.

Persona takes place in this timeline.


Nothing direct yet, but

SMT3 established the existence of a multiverse that technically connects every game in the entire franchise.
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Well that makes a lot of sense.
 
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Persona86

Banned
Nairume said:
That's not entirely true, actually.

Persona, along with some of the Devil Summoners, takes place in the same universe as the main SMT games, but on a branched timeline.
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Also it's called Shin Megami Tensei: Persona in europe.

And the "basic" concept is similar, collecting demons/personas and fusing them into more powerful ones. For me Persona games are light hearted versions of SMT with a social life. Which is a nice change, variety is good. While mainline SMT games tend to be a lot more hostile.
 
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cjkeats

Member
Persona86 said:
Also it's called Shin Megami Tensei: Persona in europe.

And the "basic" concept is similar, collecting demons/personas and fusing them into more powerful ones. For me Persona games are light hearted versions of SMT with a social life. Which is a nice change, variety is good. While mainline SMT games tend to be a lot more hostile.
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It was called that when it came over here too, but they stopped it after P4 Arena because it was never called that in JP.
 
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Persona86

Banned
cjkeats said:
It was called that when it came over here too, but they stopped it after P4 Arena because it was never called that in JP.
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I know that about Japan, but it doesn't mean they aren't connected.

Sorry but P4 Arena doesn't actually exist
in Europe.
;)
 
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