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''Oh, Yay, Another Mario Game.'' Step up to Playstation 2/20

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News Flash: Super Smash Bros isn't actually a good game. It's a silly button masher that even Nintendo didn't have much confidence in but when it took off they laughed all the way to the bank. It's popularity comes from pulling at nostalgia strings and remixing 8 and 16 bit tracks.

Instead of making another 10 of those how about a new Star Fox? or a new Donkey Kong Country? or a brand new IP that doesn't involve old Characters nintendo???
 

CTLance

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This thread is growing at NPD levels, so I thought there was something of note in here. Oh boy.

Y'all be crazy. Then again, I'm kinda loving the generation switchover for exactly that reason. Do carry on, it will be my guilty pleasure to roll around in this thread catch up tomorrow.
 
@toddhunter: I'm a 80sWindwaker baby and know that shit isn't true. twilight Princess is the new old hype and Zelda 1 is "The one all of them should be like now™."

That's the next IGN article

"What HD Zelda could learn from NES Zelda"

"There are dungeons, but...wait for it...waaaaaait for it....YOU CAN DO THEM IN DIFFERENT ORDERS! NON-LINEARITY IS INHERENTLY BETTER THAN LINEARITY"
 

Row

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I think you are the only person left in this thread defending Sony with a straight face.

Defending Sony? What? How am I, or anybody else for that matter, trying to defend something that doesn't need to be defended?

Sony burned Nintendo a little and some Nintendo fans are taking it a bit too personally, this thread is about laughing at them more than anything else
 
Do some people in this thread really not realize how releasing 22 games starring Mario and Co. since 2005 or whatever year could be... oversaturation of the character(s)/universe, even if the games are in different genres? The fact that almost anything that sells well for Nintendo has Mario on the cover isn't really a secret, and I don't understand how you could get so defensive when that's mocked a bit.

Just because the games are in different genres doesn't mean Mario isn't being milked.

Is it just not understanding the ad in the first place? It's not "oh look the exact same game", it's "oh, look, another game with Mario in it". And there are WAY more games when Mario in them than other characters. I don't see how this can even be an argument.

Are there any games out there that play like Paper Mario, or Mario & Luigi, regardless of franchise?
 

neshoba78

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News Flash: Super Smash Bros isn't actually a good game. It's a silly button masher that even Nintendo didn't have much confidence in but when it took off they laughed all the way to the bank. It's popularity comes from pulling at nostalgia strings and remixing 8 and 16 bit tracks.
Oh. shit.
 
This whole thread reminds me of this:

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jay

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News Flash: Super Smash Bros isn't actually a good game. It's a silly button masher that even Nintendo didn't have much confidence in but when it took off they laughed all the way to the bank. It's popularity comes from pulling at nostalgia strings and remixing 8 and 16 bit tracks.

Instead of making another 10 of those how about a new Star Fox? or a new Donkey Kong Country? or a brand new IP that doesn't involve old Characters nintendo???

You pulled this directly from the controversial opinions thread.
 
We're now resorting to lies.

Of course I'm not talking about every game, but take Mario games such as Mario Kart, NSMB, Mario Tennis, and Mario Party which all felt like they were pretty much set in the same world with the same characters and visuals but in different genres.

You grew tired of Mario so...you stopped playing Nintendo games altogether?
what

Yeah, I grew tired of Mario, which isn't all Nintendo has to offer but it's a lot of what it does, and that's one of the main reasons I'm not getting a Wii-U.
 
This is why we needed a new generation of consoles.

Not for the gaming, which will probably be worse than ever. But this, this is an essential part of GAF right here. Throw off your veils of civility, take up your arms, let the new and old paradigms clash and the bitter tears fall! THIS IS NEOGAF!
 

Patapwn

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Because anyone that gives a shit about gameplay would realize that they all play completely different.

But hey, leave it to a Sony fan to focus on presentation over the actual gameplay.

lol And with that, I'm out of this thread for dinner, 11/10 best thread so far

Mario is a monolithic brand with a set presentation. All games with this presentation are mario games, end of discussion. And as it stands, even breaking up the multitude of mario games into generes hardly helps. The amount of god of war games vs. the amount of mario in 'bu bu but genre!' are very close. Why's this even being debated? What is the end goal to the nintendo fan's modus of argumentation here? That sony milks their money makers?

Yeah, they do. But God of war is nowhere near Mario here.
 

Gahiggidy

My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
22 pages!

Shit.


Has anyone disrespected Pikmin in on here?
 

jgmo870

Banned
Well, do you think that Sony's first party developers have a gameplay first mentality?

Some do, others don't. SCEJ games are more gameplay oriented which is why Gravity Rush has one of the best traversal systems and why Demon's Souls has one of the best combat systems. SCEA and SCEE games aren't as gameplay focused but if games were so narrowly defined by their mechanics and level design, the Persona games wouldn't be praised.
 

Derrick01

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Are there any games out there that play like Paper Mario, or Mario & Luigi, regardless of franchise?

Thankfully not many because they realize how shallow those RPGs are.

...if only that was the real reason why no one copies it. South Park supposedly plays a lot like Paper Mario but there hasn't been a true gameplay trailer yet.
 

qq more

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News Flash: Super Smash Bros isn't actually a good game. It's a silly button masher that even Nintendo didn't have much confidence in but when it took off they laughed all the way to the bank. It's popularity comes from pulling at nostalgia strings and remixing 8 and 16 bit tracks.

This "nostalgia" shit is one of the most fucking annoying things.
 

Mad_Ban

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I know this has probably been brought up before but can I propose the idea of a temporary console war sub-forum? Most heavily moderated boards have a safe zone for people to go and have fun in. This thread is phenomenal and the most fun I've had online in a while but I really don't want to get banned.
If you do this then you're encouraging a lower standard of discussion across the forum. I think it's better that people let themselves get weeded out over time. :)
 
Defending Sony? What? How am I, or anybody else for that matter, trying to defend something that doesn't need to be defended?

Sony burned Nintendo a little and some Nintendo fans are taking it a bit too personally, this thread is about laughing at them more than anything else

lol at the bolded

But really, this thread is coming down to a fundamental disagreement on what people focus on when looking for new experiences.

Some people in this thread say gameplay, the other people say presentation. I am personally in the gameplay camp.

okay i seriously have to go eat now. Still, this thread is just too fun to post in.
 
Defending Sony? What? How am I, or anybody else for that matter, trying to defend something that doesn't need to be defended?

Sony burned Nintendo a little and some Nintendo fans are taking it a bit too personally, this thread is about laughing at them more than anything else

And yet is was a SONY fan that went crazy and got banned. I didn't know revisionist history could be applied to something that happened a mere hour ago.
 
And as I said, it's not just gameplay that makes up a game - it's characters, world, visuals, etc... impossible to disconnect from the package. No matter how good the gameplay is, EVENTUALLY one is going to get fucking exhausted of revisiting these same tired landscapes and individuals.

These are all part of the assessment of a games value, and when you so frequently remove the sense of newness from a game because you remove ones ability to get excited for those aspects of a title, you do diminish the value of the brand.

I'd add the perception where distributing a single brand across genres 'impede' the creation of new brands/íps, because a company would hardly develop competing products.
This can be understood as a worse scenario than one genre dominated by a single property.
 

braves01

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Sony first party are actually quite bad when you think about it. Uncharted = Gears clone, which itself is just dudebro RE4. Little Big Planet = bad platforming + level editor allowing you to make crappier versions of games you actually like. God of War = mash buttons to watch things die for wannabe sociopaths and maladjusted teens.

It's sad really.
 

TheNatural

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By the end of this year there will be at least 8 Mario games released for 3DS, which is pretty impressive - but thats what sells.

Of course you risk oversaturation with that, and it probably had a part in Wii U's horrible start.

Sony isn't immune to this though. How many non descript franchises have they released, between Jak, Sly, and Ratchet over all platforms? They go mostly unnoticed because no one cares.
 

rdrr gnr

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Well, do you think that Sony's first party developers have a gameplay first mentality?
That's a loaded question. There is nothing wrong with cinematic games and presentation. It can be but isn't always a zero-sum game between story-telling and gameplay. I think the excesses (or lack thereof) bother me from both ends. So, for me, the question is: Is a good game made better with solid storytelling? Yes, emphatically. For everytime I've said, "Wow, I wish I could skip this fucking cutscene" or "This story blows" I also find myself wanting a little bit more from other titles.
 

Dragon

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Some do, others don't. SCEJ games are more gameplay oriented which is why Gravity Rush has one of the best traversal systems and why Demon's Souls has one of the best combat systems. SCEA and SCEE games aren't as gameplay focused but if games were so narrowly defined by their mechanics and level design, the Persona games wouldn't be praised.

FROM isn't a part of SCEJ.
 
I don't think more of the same is necessarily bad. Take Sonic 3 for example.

If every year after they released just 6 new levels, i would be more than happy. Instead, they decided to change things up a bit with 3D Blast.

Another example: Uncharted. they can keep putting out new quests on new settings with just the same core gameplay that i'll still be happy.

I guess if you're a big racing/sports fan you don't mind the repetition as much as the guys who want new stuff every time.

But this thread is going places. You can definitely see the Nintendo fans are overly sensitive and that the Sony camp is ready to start a fight when the chance appears.
 

Drek

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Drek is living up to his name!

And Achilles is an antihero. Frigging invincible and still dies. What a loser.

But therein lies the true meaning of Kratos.

Gregory Nagy (Harvard Classics professor) wrote in Best of the Acheans that we mustn't misapply our own cultural ideas and standards of what a hero is to understand the Greek heroes. The traditional greek hero is a mortal tasked with a challenging ordeal and that ultimately the archetype demands them to die, either in pursuit of it or upon completion.

That is the template of the classical greek hero, a mortal ensconced in great power yet still unable to achieve what no mortal can, immortality. Their virtues and their vices only help to remind us that they are one of us, and much like us will some day perish.

It is in this context that we see Kratos as the pinnacle of greek hero worship that he rightfully should be. Not only does he have the flaws that comprise the chains of our mortality, but those flaws are manifest in literal chains on his arms! The symbolism there is magnificent.

Not only is he a mortal who challenges the gods, he's a mortal who wins! But alas, even in victory there is no peace for his wounded soul. The ghosts of his mortal family still haunt him and we learn through his eyes that immortality is a bitter drink when served for one.

The climax of his story even comes back to the great truism of the most iconic of Greek heroes, that he himself must die in pursuit of his task, and that while we all believed him to be immortal that is a mantle none of us, even the legendary Kratos, can truly bare.

Knowing all this how can anyone argue that Kratos is not just worthy of his Greek literature contemporaries, but in fact their superior?

So how can we honestly begrudge Sony seven iterations to tell the full scope and magnitude of this masterwork of classical fiction reborn? Surely doing such an epic saga justice is more important than churning out more tales of a midget being cuckolded by a lizard man time and time again. No, I'd say that this comparison only serves to further prove how tawdry and base Nintendo's "mascot" is when placed alongside a true literary icon the likes of Kratos.
 

Soulflarz

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News Flash: Super Smash Bros isn't actually a good game. It's a silly button masher that even Nintendo didn't have much confidence in but when it took off they laughed all the way to the bank. It's popularity comes from pulling at nostalgia strings and remixing 8 and 16 bit tracks.

Instead of making another 10 of those how about a new Star Fox? or a new Donkey Kong Country? or a brand new IP that doesn't involve old Characters nintendo???
...i actually enjoyed it...(great with friends)
 
Sony first party are actually quite bad when you think about it. Uncharted = Gears clone, which itself is just dudebro RE4. Little Big Planet = bad platforming + level editor allowing you to make crappier versions of games you actually like. God of War = mash buttons to watch things die for wannabe sociopaths and maladjusted teens.

It's sad really.

Your trying too hard
 

ffdgh

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News Flash: Super Smash Bros isn't actually a good game. It's a silly button masher that even Nintendo didn't have much confidence in but when it took off they laughed all the way to the bank. It's popularity comes from pulling at nostalgia strings and remixing 8 and 16 bit tracks.

Instead of making another 10 of those how about a new Star Fox? or a new Donkey Kong Country? or a brand new IP that doesn't involve old Characters nintendo???

Oh dear....
 
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