I considered getting one of the Panasonic plasmas, but last week I finally got what I really wanted: a projector. It's been incredible, and I can't recommend it enough, if you have the space for it. DLP has real contrast equal to plasmas when it is properly set up, zero ghosting, image retention, or backlight bleed, and it disappears when you're not using it. Only drawback for me is that I can't use it during the day, but I never watch movies or game in the day anyway.
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Plasma, LCD, OLED, LED, best tv for next gen
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For the moment, plasma is the best choice for gaming but OLED will become the superior option when the prices finally reach reasonable levels (and this comes from someone who was buying plasmas on a yearly a basis until the last generation Kuro).
I'm dying for an OLED display at this point. Motion handling seems to be very much on par with a plasma (without the yellow trails) and the image even richer.
LCDs are outdated and I would not recommend one to anyone interested in games.
Even CRT has its own flaws in this regard, however, but it's the best overall.
I'm dying for an OLED display at this point. Motion handling seems to be very much on par with a plasma (without the yellow trails) and the image even richer.
LCDs are outdated and I would not recommend one to anyone interested in games.
CRT remains the king. Plasma just isn't that fast but it's still much better than any LCD.
Even CRT has its own flaws in this regard, however, but it's the best overall.
I have a projector as well but I don't feel it stacks up to the Kuro plasma I use and the fact that you project it onto a white screen prevents it from reaching the same level of richness even in a dark room. Still, if you want a big picture with good performance it IS a nice option.
Used to game on a Samsung 32" LCD for years. I had my Xbox 360, PS3 and Wii all hooked up to it.
That one got stolen during a burglary last year (together with all my consoles). I then bought myself a nice Panasonic GT50 Plasma with the insurance money. Using it for comfy couch pc gaming (never bought back the consoles). The image quality is stunning.
That one got stolen during a burglary last year (together with all my consoles). I then bought myself a nice Panasonic GT50 Plasma with the insurance money. Using it for comfy couch pc gaming (never bought back the consoles). The image quality is stunning.
H_Prestige
Banned
Plasma
I also have to laugh at all the CRT fanatics. No, it does not equal a solid plasma. No 1080p, has geometry problems, horrible ANSI contrast, inaccurate colors, and does not playback movies in 24p. Oh, and they're small, heavy, and ugly.
I also have to laugh at all the CRT fanatics. No, it does not equal a solid plasma. No 1080p, has geometry problems, horrible ANSI contrast, inaccurate colors, and does not playback movies in 24p. Oh, and they're small, heavy, and ugly.
Sears had the Panasonic Plasma St50 for like $799 a few days ago. I bought it, it just needs to ship! Really stoked because I had the S2 and that was my favorite TV ever.. coudln't take it with me on a move so bought a LG which I hate, can't wait to go back to panasonic plasma.
Vol5
Member
Plasma presents the best IQ as well as low latency for gaming.
However you need to remember that games with a HUD that you play over long periods can lead to burn-in buildup. I've had a Dark Souls > CoD > DOTA2 HUD burn-in. Its not totally apparent and certainly not visible in game or watching a movie, but it is there and that was with suitable wear-in time given.
Certain plasma users can also see a rainbow affect while watching something with a high contrast. It's to do with phosphorus burn times and the effect it can have on the eye. 99% of people don't see it, but the 1% (me included do) can find it off putting. I've gotten used to it to be honest.
I love my VT50. Best TV I've ever owned.
However you need to remember that games with a HUD that you play over long periods can lead to burn-in buildup. I've had a Dark Souls > CoD > DOTA2 HUD burn-in. Its not totally apparent and certainly not visible in game or watching a movie, but it is there and that was with suitable wear-in time given.
Certain plasma users can also see a rainbow affect while watching something with a high contrast. It's to do with phosphorus burn times and the effect it can have on the eye. 99% of people don't see it, but the 1% (me included do) can find it off putting. I've gotten used to it to be honest.
I love my VT50. Best TV I've ever owned.
Check on the the site and the model # is TC-P50UT50.
Buggy Loop
Member
Pioneer Kuro
If you can buy one. I dread the day mine goes out
If you can buy one. I dread the day mine goes out
Yeah, I notice myself consciencely turning the opacity down for all HUD elements whenever possible. Luckily, quite a few games have these options (Skyrim, Dishonored) but not all of them. Since you lower the contrast of the HUD elements compared to the rest of the game, you reduce the tendency of IR.
It's the one thing I don't like about plasma's. It always remains a concern and slightly limits your freedom in utilizing the tv.
I never read up on wearing in and stuff like that. Because I was used to LCD, I kept the tv on each evening while the Olympic games were on and the logo of the channel is still burnt into the screen. It's only noticeable in certain cases, but it's there.
You laugh and that same TV handles 60fps motion better than your Plasma.
Plus 1080i mode offers the same clarity as 1080p mode.
Always-honest
Banned
It's still plasma i think.
I like a HD projector for immersion though.
I like a HD projector for immersion though.
BrokenEchelon
Banned
Thank you. I was going to complain about this. It's a marketing gimmick people, I hope you're aware of that.
Sshh. Let them believe it uses actual LEDs as pixels.
houroftower
Member
I think the correct answer is just get the cheapest 1080p set you can find in the right size for your room. Many of us are doing just fine on our RCA's, Envisions, and other low-cost flat screens. They're selling 40" Toshibas at my local grocery store for $299 ffs. Unless you have truly mantis-like reflexes, lag on any of these tv's is not going to be an issue, and if it is, take it back. If the question is about the best tv for next-gen, I think the answer for most people really is wait until the cost of the new games and consoles is revealed then adjust your budget. For those actually in the market to get a 120" oled or some other high end television, carry on. The rest of us will be ok spending thousands less for something that will still look pretty great 5 years from now in our small to medium sized gaming rooms.
You're right about motion but completely wrong on 1080i. Most HD CRTs (outside of the Sony super fine pitch tubes) couldn't even resolve a full 720 lines (most were closer to 600 or 640) let alone 1080. Even the SFP tubes couldn't actually resolve a full 1920x1080i let alone match the clarity of a real 1920x1080p display.
Yet...that doesn't really matter as lower resolutions can still look wonderful on a CRT. 1280x720 on a good CRT can appear cleaner and smoother than double the resolution on an LCD despite less overall picture data.
Ah. Makes sense.
dead monkey uk
Member
Have had a 51" Samsung Plasma for 6 months now and it has been great, a big improvement over my 5 year old 46" Samsung LCD. The worry I had about burn in and image retention has not been a problem. Spent over 20 hours playing Far Cry 3 and did not see any problems.
jstevenson
Sailor Stevenson
but that's the point, you don't have to maintain it.
set your settings correctly to start (aka, no torch mode... or on the better Pannys, if you don't want to do anything, turn on THQ mode), and don't do anything stupid like leaving the TV on and paused for three days straight.
even if you play a game for hundreds of hours with UI on, it won't leave permanent damage, especially if you're doing other things in between sessions like watching TV.
Dragon1893
Member
I barely see any plasmas on sale anymore, almost everything is LCD/LED.
lovegames718
Banned
I now game on an optoma hd projector with a 120 inch favi screen, but also own a 50 inch LG lcd 1080p tv and a 55 inch samsung 3d television. In terms of picture quality, crispness and colors my LG which is an LCD looks way better than my Plasma.
It's a god damned travesty, as far as I'm concerned. There isn't anything on the market today that can touch my 2008 Pioneer. Not a single display. I'm terrified of it breaking during my international move.
OLED can't come fast enough.
ScepticMatt
Member
Just like FED, dead. (Due to patent wars, cost and competition from OLED)
OLED will be the clear winner as soon as the price is right.
batman2million
Member
I got a great 60 inch LED tv. Theres a game mode on it which reduces input lag and you can barely notice it.
But to be honest, I've noticed that I enjoy playing on my 27 inch led monitor more. I don't know why but it feels much simpler and more fun to play. The tv is perfect for movies and tv shows.
But to be honest, I've noticed that I enjoy playing on my 27 inch led monitor more. I don't know why but it feels much simpler and more fun to play. The tv is perfect for movies and tv shows.
I recently bought a TV, decided to stay away from Plasma as the downsides are quite annoying, especially when put together:
- higher weight and thickness
- more fragile due to the glass panel
- less suitable for bright rooms (due to the glass panel again)
- higher power draw
- fear of burn-in (yes I know new Plasmas are less susceptible, but I don't want to be worrying about that)
- more noise (due to cooling fans) and possibility of buzzing
It's too early for OLED, so LED was the only real choice for me. Bought a Samsung LED and I'm really happy so far
- higher weight and thickness
- more fragile due to the glass panel
- less suitable for bright rooms (due to the glass panel again)
- higher power draw
- fear of burn-in (yes I know new Plasmas are less susceptible, but I don't want to be worrying about that)
- more noise (due to cooling fans) and possibility of buzzing
It's too early for OLED, so LED was the only real choice for me. Bought a Samsung LED and I'm really happy so far
Tarin02543
Member
Is there an actual OLED tv set which you can buy right now? OLED always seems to be just around the corner although nobody is doing reviews.
Also, anyone have any experience with laser tv's? These were new around 2008 and promised zero lag/infinite contrast. I think they were Mitsubishi tv's.
Also, anyone have any experience with laser tv's? These were new around 2008 and promised zero lag/infinite contrast. I think they were Mitsubishi tv's.
Lionheart1827
Member
With all you guys praising the OLED stuff, does it suffer from input lag like LCDs and some LEDs? What about ghosting?
One of the best things about my plasma is theres literally no input lag, motion is smooth as silk, and color representation and black levels are so damn good.
One of the best things about my plasma is theres literally no input lag, motion is smooth as silk, and color representation and black levels are so damn good.
2 months ago, I went through which best 55" top end LCD vs plasma to buy. After same major researching, I bought the Sony HX950 LCD with local dimming. It had surprisingly slightly better lag time and better blacks vs the current sets of best plasma. Of course, it comes with $1000 higher price tag.
And, we are all looking toward OLED, but during my research, I read that they could have issues like current plasma display, image retention. That's a common issue on OLED smartphones.
And, we are all looking toward OLED, but during my research, I read that they could have issues like current plasma display, image retention. That's a common issue on OLED smartphones.
I don't think OLED panels suffer from input lag or ghosting. Due to the way OLED works black levels are also really black, and colors should be close to the standard.
There are OLED TV's that can be purchased for the price of a luxury car. Other than that, you can see them in action on the Sony HMZ-T1/T2, and any number of phones. There are no consumer priced TV's yet though.
Laser TV's aren't really a thing at the moment. It seems like there were rear projection models featuring lasers back in the day, but the only display I can think of that uses lasers now is an upcoming (expensive) projector.
Dragon1893
Member
I recently bought a TV, decided to stay away from Plasma as the downsides are quite annoying, especially when put together:
- higher weight and thickness
- more fragile due to the glass panel
- less suitable for bright rooms (due to the glass panel again)
- higher power draw
- fear of burn-in (yes I know new Plasmas are less susceptible, but I don't want to be worrying about that)
- more noise (due to cooling fans) and possibility of buzzing
It's too early for OLED, so LED was the only real choice for me. Bought a Samsung LED and I'm really happy so far
Yeah, I'm afraid of those things as well and am considering LED for my next TV, any idea when OLED will hit mass market? Couple of years maybe?
Permanent burn-in even, according to LG's website:
I was really looking forward to OLED until I read that. :/
Yeah. That's what I read. Also, the OLEDs decays overtime so the image will get worse. Crystal LCD maybe the better solution.
Twilight Princess
Member
led/lcd for gaming, plasma for home theater.
burn-in is still a problem for plasmas, especially games with a hp bar.
burn-in is still a problem for plasmas, especially games with a hp bar.
Dragon1893
Member
Didn't know about the burn-in issues on OLED, what a shame.
AstroNut325
Member
I can NEVER recommend a plasma... and I say that as an owner of a Panasonic 50GT30 plasma.
Stick with Sony, Samsung, or Sharp LCD/LED panels. And if you can control the lighting in your gaming environment to a decent extent... front projection. NOTHING beats 100"+ of screen area.
Edit:
For the folks who think standard displays are awesome... I recommend you watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imwb7N3MKdk
Stick with Sony, Samsung, or Sharp LCD/LED panels. And if you can control the lighting in your gaming environment to a decent extent... front projection. NOTHING beats 100"+ of screen area.
Edit:
For the folks who think standard displays are awesome... I recommend you watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imwb7N3MKdk
Samsung LCD tvs have horrible input lag.
Input lag should be the number one consideration for choosing a TV for gaming. I think Plasmas are still the best in that regard, unless that has changed recently.
I just upgraded my tv because of the ps4 announcement. I got a Samsung 40eh5000. Not the best tv because of motion blur but it's 1080p and nice picture, didn't cost much either. Didn't notice any input lag though I'm sure there is some, still better than my old LCD. I used this as a guide.
http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/#participants-list
http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/#participants-list
Well I could never recommend an LCD so we're even.
Monty Mole
Member
I got a Panasonic GT50 plasma after being LCD since the CRT days. In fact, I bought a new Samsung ES8000 LED last year, hated it (great design, abysmal picture quality) and swapped it for the GT50.
And it was the best moves I ever made. 60fps games come alive with absolutely no motion blur, trailing or ghosting. Even 60fps 2D platformers feel a generation ahead compared to LED/LCD.
30fps games also look phenomenal - the blacks are truly black, the colours are vibrant and again, the motion resolution means no trailing even in dark scenes.
To top it off, with little input lag, everything is incredibly responsive. I did get some image retention every now and again for the first 1000 hours, but since then, absolutely nothing at all. Can't recommend a good quality plasma enough.
Oh, and if you like movies, then fuck me you'll appreciate the GT50. The black letter box bars? They're black. Dark scenes? Still full of depth, detail and clarify. Again, love my Panny GT50
And it was the best moves I ever made. 60fps games come alive with absolutely no motion blur, trailing or ghosting. Even 60fps 2D platformers feel a generation ahead compared to LED/LCD.
30fps games also look phenomenal - the blacks are truly black, the colours are vibrant and again, the motion resolution means no trailing even in dark scenes.
To top it off, with little input lag, everything is incredibly responsive. I did get some image retention every now and again for the first 1000 hours, but since then, absolutely nothing at all. Can't recommend a good quality plasma enough.
Oh, and if you like movies, then fuck me you'll appreciate the GT50. The black letter box bars? They're black. Dark scenes? Still full of depth, detail and clarify. Again, love my Panny GT50
whichever fits your budget would be the best display technology for you. a bad game, in your opinion, won't magically become a better game if you choose a display that's beyond your budget.
BloodMoney
Banned
Panasonic Plasma, the end... still better than OLED and significantly cheaper.
WickedCobra03
Member
My Sony CRT still has better a better image quality than any of your LCD's, LED's or Plasmas... but it is also 100+ pounds and only a 34 inch, so it basically has been outweighed by the positives of panels at this point. Anyway, I have moved on to Plasma... I think they are better for most videogames, and definitely better for movies and such. Relatively cheap. Stuff does not look as blown out, and colors seem to flow and transition better. But they also do have their downsides. The only one that is the big factor for me is if you have a room where you cannot easily draw the shades or don't have any, but I have also seen LCD tv's that are hard to see in a sunny room. Other than that, they are a bit heavier and you can't tip them over for horizontal, but I figure that is a problem I have to figure out maybe every 10 years or so, ours rode fine in the suburban, but then again, many people don't have an extra truck sitting around.
What don't you like about your GT30? I love my ST30 for its blacks, handling of motion, and color (after calibration).
I'm going to upgrade to a 120-140" PJ setup after moving in a few months, but I'll still be using the ST30 for a lot of watching.
My parents have a 60" CRT Rear Projection TV that still kicks the ass of pretty much any other display I've ever seen. Blacks are as black as they come, the colors are spot on, and there's no problem with motion handling or anything like that. Pretty much all of the problems that LCD introduced are non-existent. The only problem...the thing weighs like 500 pounds.
I would disagree with the notion that it's better than OLED.
What would make you say that?