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[ekim]

sorry if its been asked before. is it confirmed that we will get a show next month or just rumors till now ?

i want some next gen stuff. i am so sick of this gen already. and PS4 is a must buy for me now along with the recently bought VITA

Nothing official so far

 

[DEADEVIL]

are you not forgetting that Sony (and Nintendo) also are doing a conference at E3 2013..? even if MS goes first that doesn´t count out the others.. Sony had a whole show for themself. If MS waits for E3, they have to share the stagetime with the other console makers..

Have you not forgotten that this means absolutely nothing.

Sony did have a show for themself and it's still not going to stop Micrsoft from making an impact and it never has.

What it does do is present the element of suprise. Similiar to Sony apprearing to rush their Move debut presentation after MS showed off Kinect for the first time.

If MS does a Pre-E3 show with all the tech stuff and then a follow-up with a spectacle E3 with all the bells and whistles, showing off a strong selection of new IPs and content to get the masses excitied, then nothing else is going to matter.

E3 is the Superbowl of gaming period. That is the ONLY show that truly matters as ALL of the press shows up.

 

[GlamFM]

Interesting choice, because Assassins Creed is probably a perfect example to demonstrate how little this matters. The original was marketed for months as a PS3 exclusive (and that was after both systems were announced)

I´m really not talking about Assassins Creed here....

Simple fact is that the PS4 is a thing (you can pre order) and the XBOX720 is not.

And I don´t understand why this does not seem to bother MS.

 

[Dabanton]

At least Sony has given developers the possibility to announce their games for PS4.
I wouldn´t underestimate that and the effect it has on consumers right now.

Sony is in the lead atm and I have no idea what MS is waiting for.

People are pre ordering PS4s as we speak...

The lead? How is that?

Being able to preorder is not the same as you actually paying full price for something. Especially because Sony hasn't even announced the price of the machine yet. Those pre orders could turn into cancellations.

MS can drop their info anytime and get all eyes on them. It's only us on forums who are melting down about this and to a lesser extent the gaming press who have squeezed out every bit of PS4 news they had. And need those site clicks. You would think that they would go and do their job and use their so called contacts for info on the machine.

 

[DEADEVIL]

I´m really not talking about Assassins Creed here....

Simple fact is that the PS4 is a thing (you can pre order) and the XBOX720 is not.

And I don´t understand why this does not seem to bother MS.

Why would it?

The pre-orders are going to sell out for both systems regardless.

June is all that matters. Then the entire summer and fall are a wasteland of time afterwards before the systems come.

MS is selling 360s right now. There isn't a reason to make an early move. Sony didn't show anything even close for them to push them into moving early.

It indeed may have helped Sony get the word out, but it didn't come close to hurting MS.

Here's a prime example for you.

EA's Battelfield 3 that chomped off at the mouth for an entire year. Activision waited like the always do to announce and release the game.

BF released first and had ok success, but two weeks later BAM Modern Warfare 3 detstroyed them at retail.

 

[Aquamarine]

A slew of new Xbox job postings went up on Microsoft's website.

The most interesting is of a "Group Manager" for "US and European third-party titles release management."

Unlike typical Microsoft job postings, this particular job states the following:

You will be expected to improve upon and develop new programs which improve efficiency; partner satisfaction and allow our business to scale. To achieve these goals you’ll need to work across teams within IEB - Certification, Business Operations, Xbox Operations Center, Platform and LIVE.

And:

•Confidentiality is a STRONG requirement and of utmost importance

This is really one of the first times that Microsoft has outright mentioned the "Xbox Platform (Durango) IEB team" in a public listing.

"The Xbox Platform" is the confidential name that Microsoft uses when it has to announce anything internal that's related to Durango. If you remember, the Start FY14 internal conference Microsoft had listed an event called "Xbox Platform Deep Dive." It's the same thing here.

I wonder if this posting indicates a close announcement of Durango?

https://careers.microsoft.com/jobde...STARTDATE DESC&rw=4&jid=106464&jlang=EN&pp=SS


Here's a recent mention of a Microsoft employee working on the "Xbox Platform."

http://careers.microsoft.com/careers/en/pr/entertainmentdevices.aspx

 

[Gemüsepizza]

Microsoft not telling us about 720 is actually producing more hype than revealing the console. They are going all-in at E3. Maybe they have something new up their sleeve and don't want their competitors to have a 2 months lead to copy that. Or they don't want to hurt 360 sales. And they are tight with their security, not a single bit has leaked outside the DAE hack. And that info is one and a half years old according to MS people. Every developer working on 720 has his lips sealed, it's incredible. They must be very happy and don't want to spoil the surprise. Or break NDAs and pay hefty sums. If it is about a revolutionary new tech damages could be in the billions for companies not able to keep their devs in check.

I know that Xbox fans want the next Xbox to be powerful, and that's perfectly fine, but come on, believing that third party devs won't leak info because "they must be very happy", and dismissing other leaked information because it is supposedly "one and a half years old", which isn't even true (Durango summit was at the end of february 2012, and that's were some leaks are supposed to be from, and Vgleaks said 2013), seems a bit like wishful thinking. I guess there are two reasons why we haven't heard anything official yet from Microsoft: First of all they probably had planned their event later (and were surprised by Sony) and second, I guess they want to position the Xbox differently on the market, and therefore don't see the need to react to Sony's announcement for now, because they don't see them as the only and biggest competition anymore.

 

[Hanmik]

Why would it?

The pre-orders are going to sell out for both systems regardless.

June is all that matters. Then the entire summer and fall are a wasteland of time afterwards before the systems come.

MS is selling 360s right now. There isn't a reason to make an early move. Sony didn't show anything even close for them to push them into moving early.

It indeed may have helped Sony get the word out, but it didn't come close to hurting MS.

Here's a prime example for you.

EA's Battelfield 3 that chomped off at the mouth for an entire year. Activision waited like the always do to announce and release the game.

BF released first and had ok success, but two weeks later BAM Modern Warfare 3 detstroyed them at retail.

so you are comparing games to consoles now..? ok..

MS are selling X360. Yes. But sony is also selling PS3´s..? and not less because they have announced a console coming this christmas.

Have you not forgotten that this means absolutely nothing.

Sony did have a show for themself and it's still not going to stop Micrsoft from making an impact and it never has.

What it does do is present the element of suprise. Similiar to Sony apprearing to rush their Move debut presentation after MS showed off Kinect for the first time.

If MS does a Pre-E3 show with all the tech stuff and then a follow-up with a spectacle E3 with all the bells and whistles, showing off a strong selection of new IPs and content to get the masses excitied, then nothing else is going to matter.

E3 is the Superbowl of gaming period. That is the ONLY show that truly matters as ALL of the press shows up.

Do you know the numbers for people watching E3 conferences..? I know the number for the Sony show. More than 8 million people watched the show. And all the press was there, for only one thing, Sony.
At E3 alle the press is there. but for MUCH more.. Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, EA, Activision etc. it´s a place where an announcement may make an impact, but it can also get lost between all the other things revealed at E3.
They would make a much better lasting impact if the made their own show. (IMO)

 

[ekim]

I guess I just found why the website "Xboxevent.com" is in the Google index - Google also indexes sites which are just referenced on other sites and the everchanging title seems to be generated from these links. I hope I'm wrong though.

 

[AdventureRacing]

I´m really not talking about Assassins Creed here....

Simple fact is that the PS4 is a thing (you can pre order) and the XBOX720 is not.

And I don´t understand why this does not seem to bother MS.

Because neither of them launch for months and most people will have forgotten by then. No one is making up their mind on which console to buy this far from launch.

Why do you think apple announces their products so close to launch? You want the maximum amount of hype leading into the launch of your product. You don't want to announce it let everything die down and then launch it. I don't think either announcement will have a huge impact. What they show at E3 and leading up to launch is all that matters.

Edit: If we're going with that logic why not announce their consoles 3 months ago? Or a year? Where do you draw the line at announcing really early just to get in first.

 

[iceatcs]

This thread is producing gold Jerry, gold!

Yeah so crazy in there. My tummy hurt, some amazing wishful and anti-Sony comments.

 

[statham]

I guess I just found why the website "Xboxevent.com" is in the Google index - Google also indexes sites which are just referenced on other sites and the everchanging title seems to be generated from these links. I hope I'm wrong though.

crap, hope your wrong. I was hoping today was the day

 

[Hindle]

Id prefer an April reveal. I just want details on thier new software at this point.

There is no advantage when it comes to the announcement. Sony did the right thing by announcing in Feb and MS will do what's best for them.

 

[gaming_noob]

Yeah so crazy in there. My tummy hurt, some amazing wishful and anti-Sony comments.

Wishful speculation, yes..but that's the point of this thread.

What anti-Sony comments? I see more people trying to stop the wishful thinking than anything else.
What is getting annoying, though, is posters ridiculing others for their speculation. You can simply ignore them.

 

[dragonelite]

Yeah so crazy in there. My tummy hurt, some amazing wishful and anti-Sony comments.

Its all we have.

 

[iceatcs]

Wishful speculation, yes..but that's the point of this thread.

What anti-Sony comments? I see more people trying to stop the wishful thinking than anything else.
What is getting annoying, though, is posters ridiculing others for their speculation. You can simply ignore them.

It is whole point of the forum. You are allow to comment what you thought about some post or whole thread.

Anti-Sony mean decline anything on Sony, not about hating. Some are good one but some communist.

 

[gaming_noob]

Anti-Sony mean decline anything on Sony, not about hating. Some are good one but some communist.

For example? You can't make a bold comment without examples.

 

[iceatcs]

For example? You can't make a bold comment without examples.

Are you seriously?

Too many of them but for example of this page, everyone forgot PS4 because announced way too early, or PS4 event's fake interview from devs.

 

[derFeef]

For example? You can't make a bold comment without examples.

You know who you quote, right? I would not put too much effort into it.

 

[iceatcs]

You know who you quote, right? I would not put too much effort into it.

I'm very quite xbox fan if only console, because I do feel for MS much more than other companies, but I don't get blind from them.

360 is only console I own this gen.

 

[gaming_noob]

Are you seriously?

Too many of them but for example of this page, everyone forgot PS4 because announced way too early, or PS4 event's fake interview from devs.

No. Some are saying the PS4 hype is dying down because the event was too early and provided the example of Galaxy S4 as the device people are currently talking about over the PS4. You missed the explanation from the poster who explained what he meant by "fake" interviews on this very page.

You know who you quote, right? I would not put too much effort into it.

Bad weather, feel like arguing I won't derail the thread any longer.

 

[iceatcs]

Yep that's right.

 

[Wynnebeck]

Are people actually arguing that a reveal at E3 for Durango would be better than their own event similar to Sony's? Yes, E3 is one of the biggest stages during the year but you are also competing with mindshare with other companies all trying to present information at the same time. MS's best choice is to present the Durango before E3 and then expound upon it at E3 like Sony will be.

 

[Hana-Bi]

I think a reveal at the end of April would be perfect with an anouncement of the reveal in early April.

 

[shinobi602]

I'm very quite xbox fan if only console, because I do feel for MS much more than other companies, but I don't get blind from them.

360 is only console I own this gen.

You "feel" for Microsoft? What does that mean?

 

[DEADEVIL]

so you are comparing games to consoles now..? ok..

MS are selling X360. Yes. But sony is also selling PS3´s..? and not less because they have announced a console coming this christmas.

Do you know the numbers for people watching E3 conferences..? I know the number for the Sony show. More than 8 million people watched the show. And all the press was there, for only one thing, Sony.
At E3 alle the press is there. but for MUCH more.. Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, EA, Activision etc. it´s a place where an announcement may make an impact, but it can also get lost between all the other things revealed at E3.
They would make a much better lasting impact if the made their own show. (IMO)

Once again, Sony did a good job getting the word out for Sony, but it didn't hurt MS at all.

No matter how much good mainstream press Sony gets for the PS4, they caveat it by speculating on what MS is doing with their next system.

Look at CNN.com's article post-sony conference for example. At the end of the article it says:

In the end, most who paid attention seemed impressed with what they saw. But not all were ready to hand Sony the console-wars victory.

"#PS4 looking nice, but can't wait to see what #Microsoft has," wrote one user. "The ball is in your court now."

Many gaming insiders predict that Microsoft will show off its new console -- possibly the Xbox 720 -- at the Electronic Entertainment Expo in June. That would likely mean new consoles from the two rivals both will hit the market in time for the holidays.

Literally, the chain hasn't moved one way or the other.

IMO if MS has the fool proof goods and they feel like the hardware and the software content is amazing then why do a drive-by like Sony?

If they really plugged the leak and can keep the Area 51 insider info away from the likes of Kotaku, VG Leaks and the hackers then MS has nothing to lose by waiting till a Pre-E3 show announcing and shwing what the system looks like and then the following day just go hard and hit them over the head with what they have been holding back.

They have 20 million subcribers to XBOX Live, they don't need Youtube to reach their install base. It'll be advertised for free on the dashboard along with the conference.

If anyone who has watched coverage of E3 from G4 all theway to Game Trailers, they know that when it's time for E3 they could careless about stuff they know about. It'll be the element of suprise that garners the most press and clicks on the sites.

People talk of the other conference, but that's great for games like Battlefield 4 and even more Sony press.

But again, the Superbowl is E3 period.

If I was MS I'd do a June 10 event, then a full blown press conference on the 11th and watch the sparks fly.

If it has what it takes, the mindshare and press will follow. But, your closest competitors won't have months to form a rebuttle to what you offer.

 

[Malo]

With Gears out today I expect an announcement soon. Hopefully!

 

[abadguy]

I think a reveal at the end of April would be perfect with an anouncement of the reveal in early April.

I think that will likely be the case as well. The 360 was first unveiled May 15 2005, not very far from E3.

 

[Aquamarine]

With Gears out today I expect an announcement soon. Hopefully!

March 22nd (Gears's release in Europe) begins the threshold in which the conference will be announced. An April conference is all but guaranteed at this point.

There was no way in HELL that Microsoft was going to announce this conference before their big-ticket item gets released.

 

[REMEMBER CITADEL]

I'm very quite xbox fan if only console, because I do feel for MS much more than other companies, but I don't get blind from them.

360 is only console I own this gen.

Really now?

God of War: Ascension thread:

hurry up I can't wait on March 15th

Bayonetta 2 thread:

Wow that's surprise that Sega won't do it, Ouch for 360 Bayonetta fans.

I haven't play the first one - cos only got PC/PS3.

You "feel for MS much more than other companies"?

I don't see if you buy their hardware mean you don't hate them.

For example I totally hate MS but I have 360. See

There's nothing wrong with having preferences, and everyone who's spent a little time on this forum knows that you have a thing for Sony, just as they probably know that I prefer Microsoft. That's fine, there's really no need to lie, you're not fooling anyone.

 

[pswii60]

And your move, iceatcs...

 

[R3TRODYCE]

Ouchies.

 

[abadguy]

Haha. oh wow!

 

[pixlexic]

I predict ms will be the first to be able to login onto xbl on your phone and buy and start downloading content to the console.

That is a feature I want along with preloading preordered digital content.

 

[derFeef]

And your move, iceatcs...

Ouchies.

Haha. oh wow!

That's what I meant with what I posted above, I thought that's pretty clear to everyone?

 

[bidguy]

The waiting is really annoying. Just reveal something already MS

On a different note, why is iceacts still a junior member ?

 

[Elginer]

This thread just got interesting.... again.

 

[sangreal]

I predict ms will be the first to be able to login onto xbl on your phone and buy and start downloading content to the console.

not sure if serious... (you can do this today)

edit: oh, I guess you mean with the console "off". 360 has to be on to start downloads

 

[Haggis]

not sure if serious... (you can do this today)

edit: oh, I guess you mean with the console "off". 360 has to be on to start downloads

i want all major releases to be available for download ahead of the launch date and become unlocked they day it releases to play at 12:01 AM. But MS better not charge more than retail for this.

 

[Az]

He's not coming back, isn't he?

 

[infinityBCRT]

Are people actually arguing that a reveal at E3 for Durango would be better than their own event similar to Sony's? Yes, E3 is one of the biggest stages during the year but you are also competing with mindshare with other companies all trying to present information at the same time. MS's best choice is to present the Durango before E3 and then expound upon it at E3 like Sony will be.

If MS waits until June I'd expect them to have a presser days before E3 just for the console announcement.

If MS does hold off till June, I think it would be super smart for them to announce the console, price, and start taking pre-orders right away. That starts to take real dollars away from Nintendo and Sony.

 

[BigJoeGrizzly]

Logic has escaped this thread. There's a reason Apple does not schedule their iPhone reveals the same time as Samsung's Galaxy phones. You don't want to share the spotlight of such a major part of your company's future success with another company if you don't have to. If Microsoft announces the Xbox 3 during E3, while it will still get MASSIVE media attention, it will be diluted by the announcements made by both Sony and Nintendo. Microsoft wants to make a major impact, and that can really only happen if they have their own separate event away from E3.

 

[REMEMBER CITADEL]

Logic has escaped this thread. There's a reason Apple does not schedule their iPhone reveals the same time as Samsung's Galaxy phones. You don't want to share the spotlight of such a major part of your company's future success with another company if you don't have to. If Microsoft announces the Xbox 3 during E3, while it will still get MASSIVE media attention, it will be diluted by the announcements made by both Sony and Nintendo. Microsoft wants to make a major impact, and that can really only happen if they have their own separate event away from E3.

You know, I mostly agree with you and I do believe Microsoft will have a separate event (or a TV special like the last time around) at least a few days before E3, but... They might not. Revealing Kinect/Project Natal at E3, alongside Sony's Move reveal, worked out pretty well for them. Having a separate event would be nice, but I remain adamant that what happens at or around E3 is just one part of the story, and what happens over the months leading up to the launch is going to be even more important.

 

[BigJoeGrizzly]

You know, I mostly agree with you and I do believe Microsoft will have a separate event (or a TV special like the last time around) at least a few days before E3, but... They might not. Revealing Kinect/Project Natal at E3, alongside Sony's Move reveal, worked out pretty well for them. Having a separate event would be nice, but I remain adamant that what happens at or around E3 is just one part of the story, and what happens over the months leading up to the launch is going to be even more important.

Oh, I fully agree with you there. E3 is not the end-all-be-all even for either company, there will be plenty of reveals that occur leading up to launch that will be equally as important. I just think it is always important for a company to make that initial BIG impact when they first reveal major hardware, since having the spotlight shared by your competitor's major announcements would deflate the overall experience.

 

[keit4]

Really now?

LOL

Great, but that was unnecessary. icecatcs is a well known Sony loyalist.

 

[REMEMBER CITADEL]

Oh, I fully agree with you there. E3 is not the end-all-be-all even for either company, there will be plenty of reveals that occur leading up to launch that will be equally as important. I just think it is always important for a company to make that initial BIG impact when they first reveal major hardware, since having the spotlight shared by your competitor's major announcements would deflate the overall experience.

Sure, that precisely was their reasoning for abandoning CES, but who knows what they might have in mind for Durango.

 

[Karak]

That's what I meant with what I posted above, I thought that's pretty clear to everyone?

Clarity has as much to do with the receiver as it does with the message

I hope that MS does something crazy like have Obama announce their system like his wife gave an oscar. Lets turn up the game

 

[Ales]

There is some good news about the next xbox or depressing leak of vgleaks/superDaE continue to be confirmed?

 

[derFeef]

Clarity has as much to do with the receiver as it does with the message

I hope that MS does something crazy like have Obama announce their system like his wife gave an oscar. Lets turn up the game

True, true.
As for the crazy part - I don't know if it should be that crazy. What I really want is an ARG / viral thing - I love those kind of things and the lack of it is a bit sad honestly.

 

[surly]

If MS waits until June I'd expect them to have a presser days before E3 just for the console announcement.

I don't think they're waiting until June. Paul Thurrott said on Windows Weekly ages ago that he'd heard from a solid source that they were announcing it at an event in April. That was before Sony announced their PS4 press conference. He might be wrong, but he seemed very confident about it.