If we're going by that logic, then they would still be in the black due to PS1 no?
Wow. Based on what logic exactly?
Huh?
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Of Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft; which would the industry miss the least?
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Flatline
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Says the leader of that evil cult
I think people who talk like this are the ones who need to stop with the bullshit. You're so busy playing your gotcha game industry games that for all the talk about Microsoft treating gamers like idiots, 360 gamers still had a very impressive lineup of games to play over the last 2 years. What, Do you guys honestly believe that because most of them aren't first party, or the ratio of first party to third party isn't as impressive as Sony's, that these games millions of gamers are enjoying don't count? I couldn't give a damn what Microsoft chooses to talk about in their press conferences, so long as incredible games are still flowing.
Get real.
I addressed specific complaints in this post and the only excuse you managed to find to defend Microsoft was that things aren't that bad while trying to downplay exclusives (which btw are the main reason to choose a console over another) and using 360 owners as some kind of argument by assuming that anyone who owns a 360 supports Microsoft's ridiculous decision the last couple of years.
So basically you're accusing us of bias while it's you that is putting on the blinders and purposely ignoring Microsoft's complete disrespect for the gamers that built the Xbox brand.
DC1
Member
You where 'ok' until your last point.
Nintendo has 'very roughly' 14 launched consoles.
NES
SNES
Virtual Boy.
N64
GameCube
Wii
WiiU
GameBoy
GameBoy Pocket
GameBoy Color
GameBoy Advance/(GameBoy Advance SP)
GameBoy Micro
DS/(DS Lite)
DSi/(DSi XL)
(I dropped a couple of Lite/XL DS releases)
Sony has launched 5 consoles to date
Playstation 1
Playstation 2
Playstation 3
PSP
Vita
Percentage wise.. Sony has hit the mark on each of there releases. And I think, over time, The WiiU and Vita will be fine.
By the way, the Nintendo list of released consoles is staggering.
They (Nintendo) is the elder-states men of gaming.
Nintendo may not be the most powerful in the home console realm (please do give me Wii sales figures), however they are extremely influential in the portable market and must be respected across the board.
Completely aware that I just stated one of the most obvious facts in the gaming universe... spare or spear me
Souless_PJ
Banned
Nintendo for me easily.
Have no interest in any of their current franchises and its not like they make new ones with any regularity as they mostly just retread the same IPs each gen.
Have no interest in any of their current franchises and its not like they make new ones with any regularity as they mostly just retread the same IPs each gen.
abstract alien
Member
Yep, that's why I said the same generic controls as the dual shock 1 :^)
Each company has contributed quite significantly towards the industry. The influence Sony and Nintendo have had is pretty obvious but it seems a lot of people forget that Microsoft were the first to put a bit of quality and effort into getting console gaming the online multiplayer beast it is today.
For better or worse MS has impacted the industry massively over the past few years.
For better or worse MS has impacted the industry massively over the past few years.
The gap of time between PS1 and PS2 was five years and a few months. Also five years isn't a long time in any medium, even with the videogame industry.
DC1
Member
The only thing that irks me personally about Microsoft is not giving Xbox Live Gold anymore value than it's always had. I don't give a shit if games get made for the Kinect, I don't care if Microsoft press conferences have little girls raising a imaginary tiger or dudes pretending to be in a football huddle.
I also don't care about first party titles besides first party Nintendo titles, third party games flourishing and the slow death of console exclusives don't agitate me one bit. I'll end up caring more about GTA V, Cyberpunk 2077, Dark Souls II, or The Witcher 3 more than Killzone 4 or Halo 5.
sacrificengineer
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Microsoft.
Psycho_Mantis
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Bwaahahaha. There are probably 100 posters in this thread and I doubt even 10% have Kaz avatars, however 80% have probably responded with MS. Its time to stop with this persecution complex.
Creatively, it'd miss Microsoft the least. The XBoxes are the Michael Bay of consoles, with Microsoft's approach driven entirely by business (usually at the expense of the customer) and associating itself as much as possible with a very narrow field of middle of the road blockbuster entertainment. XBOX Live was a nice innovation, but entirely driven by its commercial potential.
For that same reason, Microsoft would be missed the most in commercial terms. Their total focus on the mainstream has expanded on Sony's success with the PlayStation and given the major publishers the safest bet they'll ever find in terms of making money, assuming they stick fairly closely to the accepted genre formulas. Yes, that approach has sucked a considerable amount of gameplay and design creativity from most major releases, but people love it regardless (I'm playing through Tomb Raider and increasingly despairing at those laudatory review scores) and at this stage, Microsoft can do whatever the hell they want and most likely get away with it. The 360 survived RRoD, charging for Live subscriptions, accounts being wantonly hacked and several other customer service controversies, but ask 90% of gamers what their favourite console of this generation was and Microsoft will unthinkingly get their vote. Industries need the mass-market juggernauts though, and Microsoft have done superbly to corner that market.
Nintendo are pretty much the opposite: I doubt they'd be commercially missed at all, but creatively, their constant experimenting with hardware design has inspired some of the industry's most important evolutions. Their implementation isn't always the best and their software brands are becoming increasingly reliant on formula in a bid to hold onto a fanbase alienated by the many hardware permutations and missteps (somewhat ironic, given how Microsoft have used formula entertainment to the opposite effect, for audience growth rather than consolidation), but when they do have a great idea, it tends to stick around, even if done better by someone else further down the line.
Sony, meanwhile, occupy a pretty neat middle ground, neither as outright commercial as Microsoft, but considerably more business-friendly than Nintendo and encouraging of smaller, riskier games like Journey and Ico/Shadows to accompany the AAA stuff and power-focused hardware.
For that same reason, Microsoft would be missed the most in commercial terms. Their total focus on the mainstream has expanded on Sony's success with the PlayStation and given the major publishers the safest bet they'll ever find in terms of making money, assuming they stick fairly closely to the accepted genre formulas. Yes, that approach has sucked a considerable amount of gameplay and design creativity from most major releases, but people love it regardless (I'm playing through Tomb Raider and increasingly despairing at those laudatory review scores) and at this stage, Microsoft can do whatever the hell they want and most likely get away with it. The 360 survived RRoD, charging for Live subscriptions, accounts being wantonly hacked and several other customer service controversies, but ask 90% of gamers what their favourite console of this generation was and Microsoft will unthinkingly get their vote. Industries need the mass-market juggernauts though, and Microsoft have done superbly to corner that market.
Nintendo are pretty much the opposite: I doubt they'd be commercially missed at all, but creatively, their constant experimenting with hardware design has inspired some of the industry's most important evolutions. Their implementation isn't always the best and their software brands are becoming increasingly reliant on formula in a bid to hold onto a fanbase alienated by the many hardware permutations and missteps (somewhat ironic, given how Microsoft have used formula entertainment to the opposite effect, for audience growth rather than consolidation), but when they do have a great idea, it tends to stick around, even if done better by someone else further down the line.
Sony, meanwhile, occupy a pretty neat middle ground, neither as outright commercial as Microsoft, but considerably more business-friendly than Nintendo and encouraging of smaller, riskier games like Journey and Ico/Shadows to accompany the AAA stuff and power-focused hardware.
Mikey Jr.
Member
I was stating it as purely from a consumer standpoint, which one would be missed the least.
I HAD to choose one.
I chose MS. Each company would be missed though.
So are you saying the industry isn't gonna miss them?
scytheavatar
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The video game industry would have been in a much better state today if Microsoft never entered it, almost every cancer killing the industry today could be traced back to them. Including microtransactions (remember them forbidding free maps for GOW?), too many FPS, achievments everywhere, single player is a demo for multiplayer, video games as movies (not started by them but it was stated to be one of their main goals), macho AAA western games dominating over creativity............. the day Microsoft leaves the video game industry is the day the rot can be stopped.
Sleeplessnights
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I've never played Jak and Drake so I can't commit to an answeryet.
UberTag
Member
I'm probably more biased towards Microsoft than anyone.
I spent 5 of the prime years of my life working on Xbox.
I still have Microsoft to thank for putting food on my table even today.
And yet, that's the only answer I could possibly give.
Of course the industry would miss Microsoft the least.
Heck, I'm not even sure at this point whether Microsoft even wants to be in this industry any more.
They sure haven't given the impression that they value the dedicated gaming enthusiast as much as the other guys of late.
If Apple and Roku is who they want to compete with instead, well more power to them. I hope they're successful.
And it's funny that I say that because if you ask me who of the three impacted the industry the most in the current generation of gaming, I would also say Microsoft.
It's not like Nintendo was going to give Sony the kick in the ass they needed to rethink their entire business philosophy. I'm sorely glad they did.
I spent 5 of the prime years of my life working on Xbox.
I still have Microsoft to thank for putting food on my table even today.
And yet, that's the only answer I could possibly give.
Of course the industry would miss Microsoft the least.
Heck, I'm not even sure at this point whether Microsoft even wants to be in this industry any more.
They sure haven't given the impression that they value the dedicated gaming enthusiast as much as the other guys of late.
If Apple and Roku is who they want to compete with instead, well more power to them. I hope they're successful.
And it's funny that I say that because if you ask me who of the three impacted the industry the most in the current generation of gaming, I would also say Microsoft.
It's not like Nintendo was going to give Sony the kick in the ass they needed to rethink their entire business philosophy. I'm sorely glad they did.
PaulExcellent
Member
Microsoft for me.
As much as I love Gears of War, it just doesn't do it for me.
As much as I love Gears of War, it just doesn't do it for me.
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7 years is non the less a rather long period in the rather brief history of mass home video gaming.
Most people at ~ my age (32) have grown up with Ninty and Sony, and then MS coming along a lot later. In my case the Xbox released when I was 21.
so.... "Leave Microsoft alone!" then?
michaelius
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Hardware - Nintendo
Software - Microsoft
Software - Microsoft
Kageshinzo
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Why are you bringing up the span of time between PS1 and PS2? I thought we are comparing about the time when Xbox came into the industry and the rest of the already existing consoles.
7 years is a long time in an industry that, by the time it hit the mid-90s, was steadily growing and gaining steam. In the span of 1994 - 2001, the video game industry have seen the biggest leap in terms of graphics, processing power, the capabilities of the video game medium, and the acceptance of it in the mainstream thought. Given all that, a console which entered the arena in 2002, after the arguably renaissance of modern gaming, is still considered a relatively new guy. That's not even counting the fact that last generation lasted abnormally long, and by all intents and purposes, Microsoft is still considered a newcomer in this industry and one that will be least missed by gamers, especially with Sony ready to pick up their slack.
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I am happy they came in the industry as they gave Sony good competition, and Sony has learnt a lot about OS, online infrastructure an being developer friendly from MS. However now that Sony has improved those things thanks to being engineered by western engineers instead of Japanese, MS is not needed anymore for competition other than price. Also lately I don't like te direction MS has went with the 360 or the Durango rumours. Finally I don't care for any MS IP at all. In fact I would prefer if Sony dominated like PS1 and PS2 generation where all my mates had the same console as me and the user base wasn't as split (more people to play online against and more mates to borrow games from) and developers can focus more on one console (PS1 ad PS2 libraries were incredible and had tons of quality 3rd party exclusives).
I am happy they came in the industry as they gave Sony good competition, and Sony has learnt a lot about OS, online infrastructure an being developer friendly from MS. However now that Sony has improved those things thanks to being engineered by western engineers instead of Japanese, MS is not needed anymore for competition other than price. Also lately I don't like te direction MS has went with the 360 or the Durango rumours. Finally I don't care for any MS IP at all. In fact I would prefer if Sony dominated like PS1 and PS2 generation where all my mates had the same console as me and the user base wasn't as split (more people to play online against and more mates to borrow games from) and developers can focus more on one console (PS1 ad PS2 libraries were incredible and had tons of quality 3rd party exclusives).
People used to care about Halo and Gears and Forza, now they are milked to a point no one gives a damn anymore. And Microsoft release so few new IPs (other than some Kinect craps) in recent years which isn't helping.
It Microsoft goes, 3rd party will move to Sony or Nintendo. We will still have as many games like Assassins Creed, Call of Duty, Resident Evil etc, except those (very few) franchise from Microsoft.
It Microsoft goes, 3rd party will move to Sony or Nintendo. We will still have as many games like Assassins Creed, Call of Duty, Resident Evil etc, except those (very few) franchise from Microsoft.
Souless_PJ
Banned
Well yes as they have been going in a separate direction to the way the rest of the industry is going for example HD and online.
3rd parties have shown they haven't cared about supporting Nintendo for years.
I haven't played (nor wanted to) any microsoft game for years. If I picked up an 360 the only games I'd buy would be Halo 3 and Halo 4 , because I liked the first two. But it's not like they are essential.
The world of gaming would be very sad without Nintendo, and I always will want them to succeed. Sadly I'm not rich enough to back it up buying their consoles - I want them to make the better product that I can depend on. I need a Zelda from time to time, as well as Pokemon.
Sony has so many exclusive console gems that if it left the games industry (unless their 2nd party studios went independent) we would have thinner quality libraries.
So I guess my order of concern with failure is:
Microsoft < Sony < Nintendo. With these last two being really close though.
The world of gaming would be very sad without Nintendo, and I always will want them to succeed. Sadly I'm not rich enough to back it up buying their consoles - I want them to make the better product that I can depend on. I need a Zelda from time to time, as well as Pokemon.
Sony has so many exclusive console gems that if it left the games industry (unless their 2nd party studios went independent) we would have thinner quality libraries.
So I guess my order of concern with failure is:
Microsoft < Sony < Nintendo. With these last two being really close though.
In terms of games and gaming franchises, Microsoft will be missed least. They simply don't own the IP or own enough proven studios in comparison to Sony and Nintendo.
But in terms of pushing the industry forward and in to new directions, Sony will be missed least.
After all, Sony's PS4 reveal only showed more of the same, with a lot of 'talk'. PS3 is still in the same situation as it was when it launched - with ridiculously slow patching (360 has already patched a game before PS3 even starts downloading the patch), and also required installs on downloaded content. Why have they waited until PS4 to fix all this shit? They've been playing catch-up with PSN, Trophies. XBLA has gotten the lion's share of quality indie content. Nintendo - despite struggling at the moment - still has plenty of innovation left in them, at least they try to be different. And Sony - despite being the first company to bring in casuals with PS2 - has completely failed to expand the market with PS3.
Sony still has a lot to prove next generation. I'm 31 so old enough to know the bullshit they've spouted at the reveals of PS2 and PS3. The proof is in the pudding. And believe me, I want them to deliver this time.
But in terms of pushing the industry forward and in to new directions, Sony will be missed least.
After all, Sony's PS4 reveal only showed more of the same, with a lot of 'talk'. PS3 is still in the same situation as it was when it launched - with ridiculously slow patching (360 has already patched a game before PS3 even starts downloading the patch), and also required installs on downloaded content. Why have they waited until PS4 to fix all this shit? They've been playing catch-up with PSN, Trophies. XBLA has gotten the lion's share of quality indie content. Nintendo - despite struggling at the moment - still has plenty of innovation left in them, at least they try to be different. And Sony - despite being the first company to bring in casuals with PS2 - has completely failed to expand the market with PS3.
Sony still has a lot to prove next generation. I'm 31 so old enough to know the bullshit they've spouted at the reveals of PS2 and PS3. The proof is in the pudding. And believe me, I want them to deliver this time.
What do you mean by this? Just to develop for a lot of the problem was that Microsoft went with relatively sane hardware whereas the PS3 had ridiculous bottlenecks and a convoluted CPU that you COULD do a really nice job with if you mastered, but that was very hard, and the gain really wasn't enough to edge out the 360 (though maybe Microsoft has lower tolerance for differing performance?), but that's changing next gen or so it seems, so they should be just as easy to develop for. If you mean getting people to buy games or whatever... Well, there's always going to be a lot of behind the scenes stuff we're not privy to, but the PS1 and PS2 dominated just fine, far more than the Xbox has yet to far as I can tell, so I don't see selling to consumers being a big problem.
Being the most accessible to PC veterans? It seems the presence of the Xbox already fundamentally changed that, but if it starts to turn around next gen then I welcome it: the ideal to me is to smartly adapt PC games or those kinds of experiences to consoles, but instead we've seen a lot of streamlining and more and more developers marching to the same beat, so at this point I think going back to PC primarily is preferable. Especially with technology growth slowing so that we're in a good period for a computer to stay relevant for longer than in the 80s or 90s.
... At any rate, the one I'd miss the least is Microsoft. Even without the Durango rumors the system became redundant next to a decent PC and a PS3, and they've also been putting me off as of late with how often they go for exclusive DLC and how absurdly restrictive they've been with XBLA and indies. Throw the Durango stuff on top, and they go from "mildly annoyed they get treated as the face of games sometimes" at worst, to "I want their console to have nothing but a small niche" at best. Like the Vita, but for opposite reasons, and more preferably I'd just want them to fall flat on their face spectacularly and leave.
How else was I supposed to interpret a random number of years?
Also the Xbox came out in 2001. And the renaissance of gaming is such a debatable topic and arguable period of time, some people could consider the SNES/Genesis era a renaissance.
I'm peculiar to 2004 for Half Life 2, GTA San Andreas, Halo 2, KOTOR 2, Fable 1, MGS3, and Burnout 3 all coming out in the same year.
Also saying the biggest leap for videogames on the technical side has already occurred is foolish, like you said, this medium isn't very old. We'll probably see some crazy shit happen with videogames in the next twenty years.
"Going in a separate direction" doesn't actually mean they are gonna be missed the most since they are the ones doing something different? I asked previously because you just said you don't like them which doesn't sound like an argument to me.
Edit: Just to be clear: Third Parties =/= The whole industry
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Flatline
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What a ridiculous talking point. How were all these brand new features more of the same? And how on earth would you know that it's only talk when the console hasn't even released yet?
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Everything has to be fanboyism. Why cant it just be telling it like it is.
Actually, I just remembered how the overall value of DLC can likely be blamed on Microsoft's policies, IE how L4D DLC indicates that they require a minimum of $7 given that it was free on PC and they charged the minimum they were allowed on 360, and for Sleeping Dogs's first piece of REAL DLC they were charging $5 on Tuesday on PSN/Steam, then it jumped up to $7 the next day... at the same time it came on XBL for 560 points ($7.) So, yeah, I'd want Microsoft either driven out or completely humbled, Sony's concept approval crap was bullshit enough given how it handled differing regions, but it seems the fire was lit under their ass to fully open it up on PS4, and the X/O button swapping thing's pretty minor and would require Wii U completely dominating and BOTH Sony and Microsoft to leave in order to be changed, and I don't see that happening and like indicated it's not THAT big of a deal. Hell, just putting in a toggle for weirdos like me would be enough, they clearly have some sort of system in place given some games flip based on the region of the Playstation hardware you're using.
REMEMBER CITADEL
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It's a hard question to answer since they've all been very significant for the industry, but if we only look at the recent years, then it's fairly obvious that Sony would be missed the least.
In recent times Nintendo has, like it or not, revolutionized gaming with Wii's motion controls (which were then copied by everyone else). The significance of that goes beyond the motion controls themselves, they've shown that a traditional hardware arms race is not the only viable path, and that there is still a largely untapped gaming audience. Also, their handhelds remain commercially relevant.
Microsoft changed the face of console online gaming and services with its deeply integrated single-login system (which was then copied by everyone else), brought arcade and smaller/indie console games back from irrelevancy with XBLA (which was then copied by everyone else), and brought western PC developers to console development in unprecedented numbers.
Sony, despite their unquestionable historical significance for pushing 3D gaming, practically hasn't done anything but followed for many years now, and going by their rather conservative vision for PS4, that doesn't seem likely to change soon. PS+ might be considered their sole influential contribution in recent times, but that still remains to be proven by others copying their model (which I'm sure will happen to some extent, so that's why I mention it).
In recent times Nintendo has, like it or not, revolutionized gaming with Wii's motion controls (which were then copied by everyone else). The significance of that goes beyond the motion controls themselves, they've shown that a traditional hardware arms race is not the only viable path, and that there is still a largely untapped gaming audience. Also, their handhelds remain commercially relevant.
Microsoft changed the face of console online gaming and services with its deeply integrated single-login system (which was then copied by everyone else), brought arcade and smaller/indie console games back from irrelevancy with XBLA (which was then copied by everyone else), and brought western PC developers to console development in unprecedented numbers.
Sony, despite their unquestionable historical significance for pushing 3D gaming, practically hasn't done anything but followed for many years now, and going by their rather conservative vision for PS4, that doesn't seem likely to change soon. PS+ might be considered their sole influential contribution in recent times, but that still remains to be proven by others copying their model (which I'm sure will happen to some extent, so that's why I mention it).
Interview
There you go.
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Microsoft.
Of course I'm heavily influenced by the fact that I grew up with Sony and Nintendo.
Microsoft did a phenomenal job by keeping me busy from launch until 2008/09
Once Mattrick took over, they changed the direction and I lost my interest somewhat quickly.
SpoonyBard
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Microsoft. Even if you make it interesting and forget the handheld side, I'd still say Microsoft. They have so little to offer compared to Nintendo and Sony...