PsihoPerihelion
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Of Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft; which would the industry miss the least?
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OminousShadow
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Microsoft. I think that about sums it up.
When wii u launched both consoles were almost 25 million units behind. May not be scraps but hardly reaching parity either. Unless you are talking years from when the argument becomes completely pointless?
What? They publish a huge amount of games every year.
The industry would probably miss Microsoft the least.
Beer Monkey
Member
Microsoft leaving is the scariest thing I can imagine at this point. Sony would end up with a monopoly. We need the competition. The PS4 hardware and online environment would be a total joke if it weren't for all the pressure put on Sony by Microsoft for the last 12 years. The sole reason the PS4 design is so fucking awesome and developer friendly is Microsoft.
As long as Nintendo insists on using lastgen hardware, it is imperative that Sony have competition.
If somebody was forced to leave, it would be best to see Nintendo drop out and go third-party.
Let's be honest. Most people saying 'Microsoft' in this thread are doing it because they are pissed off about the online-only rumors.
As long as Nintendo insists on using lastgen hardware, it is imperative that Sony have competition.
If somebody was forced to leave, it would be best to see Nintendo drop out and go third-party.
Let's be honest. Most people saying 'Microsoft' in this thread are doing it because they are pissed off about the online-only rumors.
H_Prestige
Banned
Microsoft. They have the smallest pedigree of the three and are a relative newcomer.
Now that they're not the only one doing online gaming they offer nothing of value either.
Yeah, I remember how shitty the ps1 and ps2 days were because MS wasn't in the mix.
Now that they're not the only one doing online gaming they offer nothing of value either.
Yeah, I remember how shitty the ps1 and ps2 days were because MS wasn't in the mix.
I am pretty sure that a departure from the market by any of the three would have a large impact, albeit in different ways.
I think that Nintendo software, when great, gives something for others to strive for. And I don't think that either Microsoft or Sony would treat us well if they were the only of the HD experience (or whatever you want to refer to these two as) console makers around.
I think that Nintendo software, when great, gives something for others to strive for. And I don't think that either Microsoft or Sony would treat us well if they were the only of the HD experience (or whatever you want to refer to these two as) console makers around.
This x 1000. I want a gen exactly like the one we are currently having where MS and Sony are at each others throats to gain market share.
Nintendo will do it's own thing as it always does
manfestival
Member
To me: Nintendo
In the grand scheme: microsoft
In the grand scheme: microsoft
I guarantee you that is not the reason. Or at least not the main reason.
Microsoft is the only right answer, The Industry probably would be better for it if they went away anyway.
Xbudz
Member
I will eat crow and change my name to PSXbudz if NeoGaf Next-gen Xbox is the true Next-gen Xbox.
Beer Monkey
Member
Remember the arrogant Sony of 2006? Without Microsoft that's the Sony we would still have. They would be rolling out an $800 console and telling everybody to get a third job. The system would have some arcane architecture and developers would be told to take it or leave it.
*shudders*
MAX PAYMENT
Member
At the current state of things, I feel that Nintendo would be missed the least. And I would miss them the most.
So, nothing?
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
lol trollol.
Nintendo easy, in both software AND hardware.
Microsoft isn't really one that the "industry" would "miss the least" like Nintendo. No one in the industry apparently cares about Nintendo hardware/software other than Nintendo themselves. That's why it's the easy answer.
Everyone naming Microsoft is forgetting this is an industry-wide answer.
Microsoft isn't really one that the "industry" would "miss the least" like Nintendo. No one in the industry apparently cares about Nintendo hardware/software other than Nintendo themselves. That's why it's the easy answer.
Everyone naming Microsoft is forgetting this is an industry-wide answer.
H_Prestige
Banned
You mean the console that lost them billions of dollars and that the market completely rejected? Sony would have done that again if not for MS' saving grace?
Nintendo would be missed the most. They have the longest pedigree and the most prestigious IP. Mario is basically the symbol of gaming.
MS offers nothing. Halo is now just an empty IP with Bungie gone. Forza is a poor man's GT. Their hardware is inferior to Sony's.
I´m at least as pissed about Microsoft basically abandoning gaming. Don´t remember a single console which came anywhere near the piss poor first party support of the 360 in the last 4 years.
I was talking about the industry itself. It isn't just games, there's more to it than just games. Other factors at work.
Playstation consoles were primarily driven by third party, not first party.
This gen? Yes. Previous gens their first-party output wasn't amazing, but did have a few gems. PS1 had them capitalize on CDs and due to Nintendo's stubbornness/stupidity, they lost a lot by keeping cartridges. The PS2 doubled as a DVD player and a game console with amazing third-party support.
And that's some revisionism, they came in because they were pissed off at Nintendo for abandoning their CD add-on for the SNES. It was definitely not for games.
In all honesty, the thing they contributed to the market is dual analogs, 2 extra triggers, and multimedia features to consoles. But regardless of that, I think they are far more important since they picked up where Nintendo slacked.
Deadpandas
Member
Nintendo. An online infrastructure straight from the 90's, dated hardware and stale IPs
third-party publishers still need to know what's popular so they can shamelessly copy it over and over. can imagine a world without uncharted?
Xbudz
Member
As somebody else mentioned, PS4 would not be as awesome if it wasnt for Microsoft putting on that pressure.
Beer Monkey
Member
It wouldn't have lost billions if they had a monopoly. It lost billions because of the alternative of the 360.
These losses of billions is why PS4 is amazing, and why it's coming out in 2013 instead of 2016.
PreyingShark
Member
Western Industry: Nintendo.
Japanese Industry: Microsoft.
If a Japanese company makes a game for a MS console it's only because they already made plans to localize it for the West. Basically, Western third-parties ignore Nintendo while Japanese third-parties like Nintendo's handhelds but pretty much ignore MS's consoles.
Japanese Industry: Microsoft.
If a Japanese company makes a game for a MS console it's only because they already made plans to localize it for the West. Basically, Western third-parties ignore Nintendo while Japanese third-parties like Nintendo's handhelds but pretty much ignore MS's consoles.
Sentenza
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Arguable, but even if that was the case, I don't care much about PS4.
I thought we were talking about Sony here, not MS.
baxter2231
Member
Microsoft no doubt
Xbudz
Member
Graphical dimishing returns are why Nintendo is biding its time.
Eventually their hardware will be strong enough.
Maybe 10 years MAX until it doesnt matter.
...any they have the money to keep going loooong after that.
Sony is in the most trouble currently, good thing PS4 looks hot!
Eventually their hardware will be strong enough.
Maybe 10 years MAX until it doesnt matter.
...any they have the money to keep going loooong after that.
Sony is in the most trouble currently, good thing PS4 looks hot!
H_Prestige
Banned
It lost them billions because of R&D and selling the console at a gigantic loss. People weren't buying it because it was fucking expensive and had no games. The 360 was also selling pretty bad back then so that wasn't the reason. Everyone was too busy trying to find a Wii.
HyperCubed4
Member
Microsoft. They're known for their Windows brand, not the Xbox. They could drop the Xbox and be financially stable for years. Not like they would, but they could. Considering how developer friendly the PS4 sounds like it will be, I wouldn't be surprised if more companies develop for the PS4, anyhow.
H_Prestige
Banned
With the exception of the Wii, every mega successful console is driven primarily by third party.
People are right in saying the Microsoft of 06-09 gave Sony some fierce competition, but this was a long time ago, people are forgetting that during these days
- Microsoft were about games: Halo 3, Mass Effect, PGR4, Viva Pinata, Gears of War, Crackdown, Fable 2, Forza 3, Lost Odyssey, Shadow Complex and Trials HD, an absolutely impeccable array of titles.
- XBL at the time was the best online service
- Sony were fucking incompetent
Things have changed a lot since then, see that massive list of IP's?
- Halo dead
- Mass Effect lost
- PGR MIA
- Viva Pinata MIA
- Gears soon to be lost
- Crackdown dead
- Fable dead
- Lost Odyssey MIA
- Shadow Complex MIA
- Trials HD lost
Microsoft's only effective IP as it stands, is Forza.
Not to mention that currently, XBL is inferior than its competitors, but yet still is the only one that is paid. Lastly, we've seen an excessive focus on apps, entertainment, Kinect and a bunch of other shit like the 'always online' rumour.
The Microsoft of today is not the Microsoft of before, the industry would lose little by losing them.
- Microsoft were about games: Halo 3, Mass Effect, PGR4, Viva Pinata, Gears of War, Crackdown, Fable 2, Forza 3, Lost Odyssey, Shadow Complex and Trials HD, an absolutely impeccable array of titles.
- XBL at the time was the best online service
- Sony were fucking incompetent
Things have changed a lot since then, see that massive list of IP's?
- Halo dead
- Mass Effect lost
- PGR MIA
- Viva Pinata MIA
- Gears soon to be lost
- Crackdown dead
- Fable dead
- Lost Odyssey MIA
- Shadow Complex MIA
- Trials HD lost
Microsoft's only effective IP as it stands, is Forza.
Not to mention that currently, XBL is inferior than its competitors, but yet still is the only one that is paid. Lastly, we've seen an excessive focus on apps, entertainment, Kinect and a bunch of other shit like the 'always online' rumour.
The Microsoft of today is not the Microsoft of before, the industry would lose little by losing them.
And everyone naming Nintendo forgets that they're easily the biggest gaming company in the entire world. The industry isn't just comprised of 3rd parties: if microsoft were to leave there'd be a contraction in the market for sure. If Nintendo left the market there would probably be an indsutry wide crash. The Japanese market would dissapear and many Japanese 3rd parties would go out of business.
SniperHunter
Banned
agreed
Xbudz
Member
You are not wrong here. I am a bit worried about Microsoft right now.
Cmon Sega, now is your chance!
JordanN
Banned
That's even worse. Japan itself is shrinking.
If the industry teaches you anything, having the most popular games of each gen is crucial.
Beer Monkey
Member
They took losses because they had to keep cutting the price to try to keep up with Microsoft.
In a monopoly, they would have kept the price very high for a very, very long time. They would have broken even on it, at worst. Because you'd either have to leave console gaming or buy their console, period. The Sony that told everybody to get a second job or fuck off would still be here. And they would have 100% of the HD console market worldwide. It's crazy to think that anybody should have that kind of control.