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VG Leaks: BC for NextBox to be an add on, can play offline
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But the used games box is ticked as a standalone.
LyleLanley
Banned
People should probably stop trying to make those charts...
The Durango will send kinect and controller data (so you don't need 2 kinects or a separate set of controllers) and although not certain yet possibly disc data to the Xbox Mini. The Xbox Mini will still handle all of the processing for Xbox 360 games and will likely send data to the Durango to create shortcuts in the Durango UI (but probably a little fancier than just icons) so you have access to everything under one interface. This would be done via a port that is not currently on the 360.
The size may not be as small as some are thinking it will be (Apple TV size) since it has been clarified to be a standalone console and not a addon. It will also still take up a power plug and HDMI port like any other console. It will come down to if you want to save a little time and how important it is to have everything under one interface.
The size may not be as small as some are thinking it will be (Apple TV size) since it has been clarified to be a standalone console and not a addon. It will also still take up a power plug and HDMI port like any other console. It will come down to if you want to save a little time and how important it is to have everything under one interface.
It's a fan made chart that confirms nothing, we're just trying to throw something together (and I like the edits you made). Will be more accurate to recreate it when MS actually announces the damn thing.
That's what I'll be doing.
Pack away the Halo 4 console, sell the spare 4Gb slim upstairs and pick up a mini together with a Durango and have a 100 game library (retail/arcade split) sitting there for the leaner launch period with "one box" on the shelf.
I'd like Sony to do something similar if possible. Would be cool.
Okay I don't care to edit it any more. But you're right, the 360 Mini obviously can't play used games.
But I'll say that "always online required" implies that you can't play your previously downloaded games in offline mode, which is a point that I don't think the article addressed. And I think it would be silly for Microsoft to require this when it's not a stipulation in current 360 models. I think the author's point was just that an internet connection is required to obtain content if all you own is a 360 Mini.
GarthVaderUK
Banned
Maybe you should add a column "plays Durango games" - lol 
If Durango adds some nice new features with its OS it would be cool if those can be used when playing 360 games too, the Xbox BC on 360 was rather limited in that regard.
If Durango adds some nice new features with its OS it would be cool if those can be used when playing 360 games too, the Xbox BC on 360 was rather limited in that regard.
legacyzero
Banned
Would be fucking cool if the surface team designed the hardware, and built the mini to "click in" to the Durango, which turns them into one console that eliminates the need for multiple power/ethernet/hdmi cables.
Would be some apple style proprietary connection that can carry power and data of course.
Would be an awesome solution.
Would be some apple style proprietary connection that can carry power and data of course.
Would be an awesome solution.
LyleLanley
Banned
For cable box pass-through.
Made some edits:
I believe the Xbox mini is going to 99 dollars. This was what was mixed up when they said MS was going to come out with a 99 dollar Xbox. It was mini all along.
If the 720 alone turns out to be 399 then it would make sense if the mini + the 720 was the 500 dollar Xbox that was rumored.
Either way MS just figured out an amazing way to do BC and allowing us to keep our entire collection and play it on the 720. Brilliant!
GarthVaderUK
Banned
Could you maybe have the Durango OS running over content from other devices?
Or perhaps it's just a dev kit thang.
My guess:
The 360 Mini is an Apple TV-like device that lets you 'Airplay' from your Durango and adds Airplaying 360 games to your Durango- price $99
Durango is the all in one DVR magic device that can stream TV/DVR or Games to any 360 Mini for remote play and by adding the Mini to your network you gain BC
I dont think they'll physically attach
The 360 Mini is an Apple TV-like device that lets you 'Airplay' from your Durango and adds Airplaying 360 games to your Durango- price $99
Durango is the all in one DVR magic device that can stream TV/DVR or Games to any 360 Mini for remote play and by adding the Mini to your network you gain BC
I dont think they'll physically attach
Why could Kotaku be confused about that? HDMI-In is needed for the TV integration, and is an obvious and required component to achieve this. Its inclusion is as surprising as, say, a USB port.
I don't think it's a good idea to release both and again start confusion.add to the fact it's also a cable box without being a cable provider. it seems one of those idea that sounds great on paper but becomes too convulated in practical.
There is a reason even an Apple TV is not a commercial hit. it would been a success if MS was actually a cable provider. You need a clear vision of your product not a mix and match and have no identity.
There is a reason even an Apple TV is not a commercial hit. it would been a success if MS was actually a cable provider. You need a clear vision of your product not a mix and match and have no identity.
The Apple TV sold 2 million units in the holiday quarter.. that might not be many in Apple success terms, but its plenty for a console.
GoofsterStud
Member
Exactly.
Should I believe multiple rumors from various sources...
or
One rumor, from one source, without the highest credibility.
I want to believe as much as the next guy...but....
but BC for the most part has an expiration date of interest where the other components are going to help define the generation
well, $99 seems too little really... they lose only DVD drive but they have to add large HDD so people can download their games. Probably $150 to start and then go down slowly. PS2 probably didnt make any sense at $99.
I think people are simply hating on always-on and kinect for no reason too... same goes for hdmi-in. I doubt any of that will detract from 720 being game console, or make Mini any less of 360.
It's simple to me. Mini needs to be online period when by itself. It will not play used games. People who quoted this assumed it was Durango.
When you put a new or used Xbox 360 into Durango you NEED to hook it up to the mini for it to play.
Mini alone = Online only + Cable in (Will compete w/ Apple TV)
Durango + Mini = Online + BC w/ new or used Xbox 360 games.
Durango = Same as standard functionality as the Xbox 360, but no BC.
The big story is Offline gaming, Kinect wasnt the main focus, and Used games will be supported, and Adam Orth got fired.
Every bad rumor has been rectified.
I own a google tv, works great. But everyone who sees it in my house are confused at what the hell it is. And the fact I can't answer in one sentence is reason enough how confusing the product it is. obviously smart tv are making it irrelevant anyways.
As per Apple TV, I think that is really comparing apple to oranges (no pun attended). the brand power of apple and loyalty is not comparison. The fact is though Apple TV is one of the weakest product in there product sales.
They'd have to attach.
The Durango is allegedly using the minis hardware to run 360 games in its disc drive.
the secondary feature to the BC itself is that it allows streaming and other app switching features, Kinect Skype etc through Durango UI overlaid on your 360 game. so you essentially are having BC "built in" from a user experience even though it is running th e360 games from another little processor
George Claw M.D.
Member
I assumed it was in the mini box. It would need its own processor to stream TV and run other apps on its own, already. A 360 SoC would be sufficient for that purpose. And if it was in Durango, what would we even need the mini box for 360 compatibility for? Especially when the disc already needs to be inserted into the Durango.
Not cloud based streaming.
It could potentially install the game to the Mini over wifi. The audio/video would then need to be pumped back to the Durango, Wii U-style.
Syphon Filter
Member
confusing,is the set top box the xbox mini?
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
BC of my xbla titles???? I might be coming back shit
wapplew
Member
Great move for Microsoft making everything optional and standalone.
In perfect world,
Xbox Mini aim for TV box market to fight apple/google, able to play xbox digital library surely more appealing.
Xbox Mini+Kinnect aim for casual gamer to fight Nintendo.
Durango aim for Core gamer to fight Sony.
If old 360 can function some what like Xbox mini do with durango, 1 OS, 1 HDMI B/C, surely more convenient than 2 console that require 2 HDMI, 2 OS and different set of controller.
In perfect world,
Xbox Mini aim for TV box market to fight apple/google, able to play xbox digital library surely more appealing.
Xbox Mini+Kinnect aim for casual gamer to fight Nintendo.
Durango aim for Core gamer to fight Sony.
If old 360 can function some what like Xbox mini do with durango, 1 OS, 1 HDMI B/C, surely more convenient than 2 console that require 2 HDMI, 2 OS and different set of controller.
Yes, but I look at it as xTV(Xbox Mini) would be able to provide those features via the hdmi in and kinect 2.
It's going to be an interesting unveil event, to say the least.
wapplew
Member
I guess thats what Durango come into.
LyleLanley
Banned
The Durango will send kinect and controller data (so you don't need 2 kinects or a separate set of controllers) and although not certain yet possibly disc data to the Xbox Mini. The Xbox Mini will still handle all of the processing for Xbox 360 games and will likely send data to the Durango to create shortcuts in the Durango UI (but probably a little fancier than just icons) so you have access to everything under one interface. This would be done via a port that is not currently on the 360.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
The idea of having this insert into/onto Durango is not bad but this is also kind of messy and ungainly.
The one upside is that this means they would be manufacturing new xbox 360 "hardware" for Durango's lifespan. If your 360 dies, and you also have durango, you could just go by this thing and keep your games and digital content.
If there turns out to be meat to these rumors I wonder what Sony is going to think about it.
The one upside is that this means they would be manufacturing new xbox 360 "hardware" for Durango's lifespan. If your 360 dies, and you also have durango, you could just go by this thing and keep your games and digital content.
If there turns out to be meat to these rumors I wonder what Sony is going to think about it.
Karak
Member
They were very aggressive in getting the 360 on a chip setup as well as making it as small as possible. The real interest to me will be if its the size of some of the old boards or if they have made it even smaller.
OnQ argued that the "dual APU" rumor concerned backwards compatibility. I haven't read every page of this thread but I assume if this is true they will use a connection with enough bandwidth for backwards compatibility. That being said, why would the dev kit include both APUs if one is for a BC peripheral? Shouldn't that involve virtually no effort concerning future titles?
The 2nd APU wasn't for backwards compatibility, it is supposedly dedicated to the game OS, kinect 2 and apps, freeing up the other APU for game creation.
edit: The third SOCs was Xenon, which was suppose to make up a 3 SOCs in one system which MS dropped. So Im guessing this is the alternative form of that idea. Now it makes sense IBM, AMD and MS collaboration. I wonder will they be using Xenon 2 though??
darkazcura
Member
Probably said already, but maybe they plan on having us install all of our 360 games to the Durango and have it stream out to the Xbox 360 add ons you have around the house. That would probably explain the "no used games" thing so you wouldn't be able to borrow a friend's game and install it. This probably falls in line with that rumor (?) that Durango will be able to play games while installing..if the add on has 360 hardware, the games won't be streamed On Live style but instead the install data will be streamed to the add ons so the games could be played natively. Just a thought.
Then again there is probably no way of locking a disc from installing more than once so who knows.
Then again there is probably no way of locking a disc from installing more than once so who knows.
I posted this before, but then realized price would be a bit of an issue.