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Kotaku: "Only 90% of Xbox One GPU usable for games"- PS4 GPU up to 66% more powerful?
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Pristine_Condition
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That's pretty much what I took away from the conference. Makes sense to integrate the two.
Heck, maybe the friends list isn't even under Games, it might just be integrated into the Skype app.
Doesn't even make sense.
Xbone has been the opposite of glorified and overrated.
Also I liked DBZ
MidgarBlowedUp
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Richard Dunn bone processing is my guess.
Well, there'd be notifications and stuff happening on one overlay (or plane) managed by the OS.
The VGLeaks docs also mention GPU resources reserved in relation to Kinect, IIRC.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Ruh oh.
There's hardware in PS4 for video encoding etc. And a secondary 'companion chip' that apparently helps coordinate some of this stuff.
Obviously some GPU will be reserved on PS4, how much I don't know... but 'even' PS3 and 360 reserved a sliver of GPU time IIRC.
The OS? But I dunno man, pretty sure Sony powers their OS with fairy dust or someshit.
You dont know that. It doesnt seem to take alot on wii u to do the same thing.
If everything turns out to be true thats all most a given at this point.
Pristine_Condition
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Notifications about tasty new flavors of Doritos, rendered in beautiful 3D graphics managed by the OS?
Resources reserved for Kinect so they can count the people looking at the notifications about tasty new opportunities to enjoy Doritos with an ice-cold Mountain Dew?
Gemüsepizza
Member
I thought video encoding would be done by a special chip for this share/stream feature? They will probably use the same stream for remote play, I guess.
LiquidSolid
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Not just possible, it's a certainty.
Sort of off topic here, but thinking about Skype, I'm wondering : where is the friends list in the Xbox One OS?
People was shown under My Pins in one of the UI shots they released.
There's also an "..." icon on all the UI tabs which will probably bring up more options.
TheGuardian
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The most interesting part of the article for me was information about how suspension and game state works.
So when you leave the game (going back to the home screen or putting the console to sleep probably), it gets into suspended mode. It still takes all the 5GBs of memory for that, so if you start another game, that one is killed.
The game can save it's state to the hard drive before that though, but it's a game specific thing, not an real "save state" like you would have on an emulator for example. So it's up to the game to decide what to do, and it could be as simple as just saving the chapter the player is on, and the next time the game loads, it brings the player back to that spot bypassing the main menu (but still loading everything again).
They also talk about the game not being able to save the state (I assume cases like the power going off, or it failed to save the data in usable time, etc). In that case it starts fresh, so it would make sense to still have manual saves to ensure player progression is saved.
So when you leave the game (going back to the home screen or putting the console to sleep probably), it gets into suspended mode. It still takes all the 5GBs of memory for that, so if you start another game, that one is killed.
The game can save it's state to the hard drive before that though, but it's a game specific thing, not an real "save state" like you would have on an emulator for example. So it's up to the game to decide what to do, and it could be as simple as just saving the chapter the player is on, and the next time the game loads, it brings the player back to that spot bypassing the main menu (but still loading everything again).
They also talk about the game not being able to save the state (I assume cases like the power going off, or it failed to save the data in usable time, etc). In that case it starts fresh, so it would make sense to still have manual saves to ensure player progression is saved.
zomgbbqftw
Banned
There is an "other shit" chip which is probably an ARM SoC with dedicated encode/decode hardware and some cheap stacked RAM. Tegra 4, for example, costs around $28 and that would be absolute overkill. A cheap dual core ARM A9 with 512MB stacked RAM and dedicated encode/decode hardware would be $10-12 total. No main system resources wasted and it is useful for a LP mode (updating while on standby etc...) and shutting system functions out from hackers.
Just spreading FUD
phosphor112
Banned
Starting at page 15, they show the CPU scheduler.
0-5 (6 total)
Of course it's not final words, but we can safely assume 6 cores for games.
Ah, thank you. People sounds about right.
thelurkinghorror
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShN8UIk5-mw
The power of cloud
A force from above
Cleaning my soul
Flame on burn desire
Love with tongues of fire
Purge the soul
Make love your XBone (please switch to X1 gaf!)
The PS3 and 360 had quite different architectures so tflops comparisons don't mean much in that case.
PS4 reserves 2 core for now, but according to Eurogamer article, OS reservations aren't locked down yet and developers will have access to at least six of the eight cores. So logically it can only go up from that.
According to PS4daily, PS4 doesn't reserve 3 GB RAM, but instead only 1 GB. So that means that it has 7 GB available for games. Besides, PS4 doesn't have 3 operating systems + mandatory Kinect to feed so this makes sense.
Don't know about GPU reservations, no info there.
zomgbbqftw
Banned
Not in this case because hardware architecture was very different this gen, next gen PS4 and Xbone share a similar architecture (identical?) so the power difference will be readily identifiable. Last time around developers had to work around an asymmetric processor and shit GPU on PS3 an most didn't bother so the power gap was not visible since the system was not being used to its maximum potential. Where it was the gap was quite noticeable (first party vs first party on each platform was an easy win for Sony). This time every developer can access the extra PS4 power without any difficulty, in fact it will be automatic in most cases and the PS4 version of games will run noticeably smoother with less tearing and frame drops.
the kotaku article in the OP mentions how this makes it easier to play a game like dark souls because you can "save anywhere".
um, what? you can already save anywhere in dark souls. it's called "doing anything" because the game is always saving.
if the console lets you save state and load a previous state, then yes, it could be used to give an advantage in a game like dark souls. otherwise, no.
um, what? you can already save anywhere in dark souls. it's called "doing anything" because the game is always saving.
if the console lets you save state and load a previous state, then yes, it could be used to give an advantage in a game like dark souls. otherwise, no.
M_A_C
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Unzipping all the files that the cloud has calculated and sent back to your Xbone.
You don't seem to know the meaning of "subjective" vs. "objective".
These two system will have an extremely similar architecture (with some enhancements in compute and memory for the PS4), they are very comparable: In raw FLOPS alone, PS4 will have at least a 50% advantage, all the other components that are better will only add to this.
Xbox 360 and PS3, on the other hand, are much more different in their relative strengths and weaknesses and therefore less easily compared (but it's clear they are still extremely close).
Many of the encoding duties seem to be handled by a dedicated ARM system on the PS4.
brain_stew
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I don't think anyone expected Microsoft to dedicate over half of the 360's entire GPU resources to background tasks. Considering how performance constrained next generation titles are going to be on XBone as it is, this makes an already bad situation even worse.
Lagspike_exe
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Because there was a major difference in arhitecture and the devs encountered issues while doing PS3 games. X360 also has some major advantagaes, such as ultra high bandwith eDRAM. These advantages are gone. Getting much higher performance from the PS4 is going to be a trivial task.
Deified Data
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No, Vegeta's fine. So long as we're talking about things that initially appear tough but basically just exist to get beat down.
intheinbetween
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only 90%? not the 100%? blasphemy!
I'm sure PS4 will use the 110%
/sarcasm
well I might be wrong but I think reserving a small amount of the GPU for non-gaming purposes isn't strange at all
I'm sure PS4 will use the 110%
/sarcasm
well I might be wrong but I think reserving a small amount of the GPU for non-gaming purposes isn't strange at all
PowerSmell
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And Xbox One is not likely to ever feature a game with Akira Toriyama character designs (especially an RPG lololololololol).
gundamkyoukai
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The PS4 has another chip for streaming \ recording games and remote play .
So no it does not uses any of the cpu\gpu for that stuff .
nelsonroyale
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half an xbox 360 worth I think he is saying
what is the cloud then? senzu beans?
Ah, that makes sense.
thesolidshark
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Bravo. Unstoppable giggles.
Should be the first post or response to any cloud argument.
Whether it works out or not. Just for fun
alexandros
Banned
Probably, but I wouldn't expect a huge difference in multiplatform games. Publishers always strive for parity because they don't want to anger fanboys on either side. I'd say you may expect locked 30 fps for PS4 and 30 with drops for Xbox 1, maybe with some effects disabled on the Xbox version.
Starfish Hero
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If this is true, this puts Xbone's GPU almost dead center between the PS4's and (estimates) of the Wii U's.
gamemadmax
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No way Microsoft will not allow this. Look Skyrim.
Miles Quaritch
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So Sony won't be offering suspend states or multitaksing features on the PS4?
That's pretty disappointing considering they were such great features on the Vita.
That's pretty disappointing considering they were such great features on the Vita.