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Every PS4 won't come bundled with an EyeToy after all? Image Inside.

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QaaQer

Member
smurfx said:
so people only have to buy the camera instead of a move type of device and the camera?
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I think the only thing the light on the controller is good for is position of the controller to make player switching automatic if you have the camera, + color changes depending on what is going on in game (game specific, camera not required). It really isn't a big feature of the controller, just a bit of extra functionality.

so for motion games, you're gonna need move controllers.
 
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SolidusDave

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jett said:
If it's not included then I don't understand why they bothered with the light bar on the DS4.
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Well it will still be used like the LED on the DS3 (Player1= blue etc., battery state, controller being on/connected) as well as give feedback in games (ambient light, damage feedback etc.)
 
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lostones

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Kind of a odd choice if true, I doubt the camera cost that much anyway. Pretty much ruins the point of the light bar and streaming.
 
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Evolution_1ne

Banned
Then they should have made a non light bar version of the controller seeing as its pointless without the camera and sold the light bar version with the camera as a added functionality bundle.
 
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jett

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SolidusDave said:
Well they will still be used like the LED on the DS3 (Player1= blue etc., battery, controller being on) as well as give feedback during games (ambient light, damage feedback etc.)
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Eh, waste of R&D money then. The purpose of the light bar is to interface with the Eye. Frankly I'd rather have it all be bundled together. I agree with those that say its support will be DOA just like every playstation camera before it if it's not packed in. I think it'd be a mistake considering pretty much every xbox game will have "camera features" as well.
 
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travisbickle

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DieH@rd said:
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I can't find any official measurements for the Xbox One?

Did they not release any?

Sorry off topic...
 
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Hoo-doo

Banned
Fucking great news.

Motion gaming is something i'm not willing to spend money on at all. It all turns out to be garbage.
 
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Tomas

Banned
I really don't understand the need for bundled camera or microphone. Whoever wants those items will gladly buy them after or already has them. I play so much online games and don't feel like talking with strangers, only friends with programs outside the game (Skype, TS etc).
Camera is even more useless...

I hope that Sony will not bundle microphone too!
 
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pelican

Member
It could be a clause to cover all situations.

Perhaps there will be a vanilla bundle of the console, and a premium offer which comes with the camera and other extras such as Playstation Plus.

Needless to say not long till E3 now.
 
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The_Hitcher89

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Tomas said:
I really don't understand the need for bundled camera or microphone. Whoever wants those items will gladly buy them after or already has them. I play so much online games and don't feel like talking with strangers, only friends with programs outside the game (Skype, TS etc).
Camera is even more useless...

I hope that Sony will not bundle microphone too!
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If Sony want people to talk online (as I do) a microphone needs to be bundled
 
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Dead Prince

Banned
Tomas said:
I really don't understand the need for bundled camera or microphone. Whoever wants those items will gladly buy them after or already has them. I play so much online games and don't feel like talking with strangers, only friends with programs outside the game (Skype, TS etc).
Camera is even more useless...

I hope that Sony will not bundle microphone too!
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So anti social and the headset is coming with every system even if you don't. Want it
 
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Seanspeed

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People really think this is going to drop the price by like $50 or something? :/

If anything, it sounds to me like Sony is going to try and make some extra money by selling it as an accessory rather than pack it in with the console.
 
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spwolf

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dogmanstaruk said:
It could be a clause to cover all situations.

Perhaps there will be a vanilla bundle of the console, and a premium offer which comes with the camera and other extras such as Playstation Plus.

Needless to say not long till E3 now.
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i am not sure if they know right now... they would probably like to bundle it, and may be waiting for MS to release their pricing to see if they can.
 
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Sloane_Ranger

Member
Good news! Even the potential for a SKU with no camera makes me happy. If a killer app comes at a future date then gamers can pick it up then - great not having that cost built in automatically.
 
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shinra-bansho

Member
Giant Panda said:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=514688&highlight=ps4+initial

This estimates that the PS4 Eye costs $12-$20. People thinking that this will result in a lower price are wrong, it'll just reduce the loss Sony takes on each console. It being packed in wouldn't raise the price either.
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Take the per unit cost and multiply it by 50 million; you're talking about a billion dollars. Even just looking at launch year, you're looking conservatively at $100M in additional cost.

So yes, it most certainly affects price. At a $399 price point a $80 loss per unit may have been unacceptable, while a $60 loss was palatable, given it's not just a $20 difference, it's a difference of hundreds of millions of dollars.

The decision to include or not include the camera would have affected the very design of the system itself since every decision within a limited budget is an opportunity cost. The inclusion of Kinect in ever box for example, likely impacted the available BoM for other parts of the system.
 
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Seanspeed

Banned
The_Hitcher89 said:
If Sony want people to talk online (as I do) a microphone needs to be bundled
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Yup. People will not 'gladly' buy these accessories. Some will, plenty of others will buy them grudgingly and then notice that a huge percentage of people online dont have one, so its usefulness is diminished along with having to pay extra.
 
ElRenoRaven

ElRenoRaven

Member
I'm beyond happy that's the case. I don't want any stupid camera bullshit on my console. I want my controller and my games. That's it. Keep it simple I say. If someone wants to use it for a game then ok and if someone wants to buy it, ok. Just don't force it on me like a certain other company is.
 
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Captain Tuttle

Member
The video is for the Dualshock, right? This could mean that the camera isn't bundled with the DS4, it's bundled with the PS4.

Also, I can't seem to find that announcement at the end of the trailer, it's 2:30 where the screen capture says the video is 2:35. This is the one that I've found
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wPeBWguyGjM
Could Sony have changed the video?
I'm sure I'm wrong, just asking to see the longer version.

E3 is coming, we'll find out then.

Edit: Here's the video that's 2:35
http://youtu.be/uQXN3Azvq9E

So there it is, still think the message might be referring to the DS4 package, not the PS4 so I won't make a judgment yet
 
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adversary

Banned
This video was just talking about the Daulshock 4 and not the console. The message is just saying the camera won't be bundled with the controller.
 
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stay gold

Member
Cool if it means a cheaper system. My interest in camera based games/facetiming people through my tv or whatever could not be lower.
 
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lostones

Banned
Captain Tuttle said:
The video is for the Dualshock, right? This could mean that the camera isn't bundled with the DS4, it's bundled with the PS4.

Also, I can't seem to find that announcement at the end of the trailer, it's 2:30 where the screen capture says the video is 2:35. This is the one that I've found
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wPeBWguyGjM

I'm sure I'm wrong, just asking to see the longer version.

E3 is coming, we'll find out then.
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Yea that makes sense , I think Sony will include the camera they wouldn't have showcased it if they weren't . Its an integral part to some luxury functions of the machine Move wouldn't be packed in though thing will be sent to die.
 
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Seanspeed

Banned
legacyzero said:
So awesome. Why pack in and raise the price/lose money on something barely anybody wants?
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1) You dont know that barely anyone wants it.

2) Thats not really a good way of making this sort of decision as Sony will have a vision of what they wanted to do with it. A vision that gamers might not fully realize at the moment. Just because you dont want something now doesn't mean you might not be happy to have had it included later on once you see what it can do.

EDIT: I'm seeing the speculation that it just means it doesn't come with the controller. That does make sense. And is hopefully true. If they want to the Eye to be successful, they should definitely pack it in.
 
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Giant Panda

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shinra-bansho said:
Take the per unit cost and multiply it by 50 million; you're talking about a billion dollars. Even just looking at launch year, you're looking conservatively at $100M in additional cost.

So yes, it most certainly affects price. At a $399 price point a $80 loss per unit may have been unacceptable, while a $60 loss was palatable, given it's not just a $20 difference, it's a difference of hundreds of millions of dollars.

The decision to include or not include the camera would have affected the very design of the system itself since every decision within a limited budget is an opportunity cost. The inclusion of Kinect in ever box for example, likely impacted the available BoM for other parts of the system.
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That's ignoring all of the additional revenue Sony could've brought in by having camera functionality standardized. More camera control games would've been made (meaning more licensing fees for Sony), the Eye might have influenced more people to get the PS4 over the Xbox plus Kinect, etc. Also, comparisons to Kinect are invalid as Kinect looks to be substantially more expensive than the Eye.
 
Duxxy3

Duxxy3

Member
That's good news. I don't like motion controls and I didn't like the idea of being forced into them.

$349 or $399 now.

Definitely cheaper than the Xbone.
 
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DeadRockstar

Member
Giant Panda said:
That is just not true. This camera will not get good support if it is not packed in. That is a missed opportunity.
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Considering that gamers who would be excited about increased support for that control method are in the minority around here, I'd say my point still stands. What I meant was that Sony and Microsoft stand to benefit from it's inclusion more than I(and people who share my tastes) would.
 
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AnbaLeumas

Banned
That's weird. I thought the DualShock 4 and camera were supposed to be working together. I was under the impression that the camera was needed. If they have a SKU that includes the camera, I'd pay for it.
 
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DBT85

Member
ShinAmano said:
Yeah. 100%. They will likely end up at the same price $399 or $499 but MS wont let Sony undercut them.
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People have been saying "MS wont let ..." for the last 12 months.

MS won't let Sony have the more powerful system
MS won't let Sony release first
MS won't let games look better on the PS4 even if it is more powerful

MS might not have a choice in the matter if their huge SOC is having problems with manufacturing unless they swallow a large upfront loss.
 
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RayMaker

Banned
Good news for the majority of GAF

bad news for the masses that like there motion.

I have not owned 1 motion device this gen and have been waiting do dive in next gen because I think they will have most of the kinks ironed out.

If the X1 is a similar price to the PS4 and the games dont look vastly different, the X1 is starting to look the better value.
 
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Laranja

Member
I assumed the camera would come bundled with the system (didn't Sony say it would?) and that was one of the few pieces of info on the PS4 that I wasn't too happy about. Hopefully this turns out to be true and I won't have to buy a more expensive box because it includes an accessory I won't be using.

Maybe the camera will only be bundled with the premium SKU.
 
sankt-Antonio

sankt-Antonio

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StuBurns said:
It doesn't matter, this means in no way is it required, it's not used for the UI, and it's not listening to me. It was already not going to be used that heavily in games because of Vita remote play.

A lot of GAF have taken Sony's word that this system is still all about games, and I certainly hoped that was the case, but no camera in the box is an eight year commitment to core gamepad experiences.
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Fucking nice, day one etc.
 
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abstract alien

Member
Well, I'm not sure about this move. Not having it there from the start is just going to make it a limiting option, and no one will care about tacked on "supports optional PSeye" support. Either make it from the ground up for it, or don't use it at all. Not much will be made with it in mind though if it's just a peripheral, so that's kinda crappy.

*shrugs*
 
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