Effectively prevents private sales and kills the possibility of a bona fide used game market in any form.
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Xbox One: Details on Connectivity, Licensing (24 hour check-in) and Privacy Features
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Effectively prevents private sales and kills the possibility of a bona fide used game market in any form.
You mean just like you can do now?
So I can't even give one of my games to a friend, if a publisher doesn't allow it?
They're MS's top internet mouthpiece, let them work.
BlazingDarkness
Member
They've confirmed there is no online requirement.
I use Steam daily as my main "gaming platform" and have no issues with it, never used offline mode either. So how is in practise this compared to Steam?
I'm going to guess that while multiple family members can play a given game, only one can play at a time. Hopefully someone in the media asks that question.
They have completely lost all credibility. This last month has been nuts.
crimsonspider89
Banned
Here is how it hurts Amazon: No private sales enabled. Which is stated.
It helps GS via PARTICIPATING retailers which already stated GS is one of the participating retailers which means this can easily push smaller game stores out of business.
It helps GS via PARTICIPATING retailers which already stated GS is one of the participating retailers which means this can easily push smaller game stores out of business.
I love that. Movies dont get the stupid bullshit, just games.
EdibleExplosives
Member
Say what? Source?
I'm not sure why you brought that up anyway, two companies doing it doesn't make it any better.
timetokill
Banned
Sounds similar to what I expect Sony to do. Though maybe not the "only loan it once" thing, but who knows.
Broadband is not just cable but also dsl.
maquiladora
Member
I have to say that despite this confirming most of the worst fears and even adding new ones, I have to hand it to MS for putting it right out there in black in white now.
Now we need to know where Sony stands.
Now we need to know where Sony stands.
Americanmushroom
Banned
lol... people are really not getting it. YOU COULD DO THAT BEFORE! Just bring the goddamn games to your friends place. Now you'll have to log in, download em and once you're logged out, he won't be able to play it anymore
I don't get people who say that this is not bad. This is AWFUL. Do you just like getting screwed in terms of your rights to play however you like, lend to whomever you want, and sell when and to whom you want to? FFS!
This. Fucking draconian and stupid method just to play your game at a friend's house.
This. Fucking draconian and stupid method just to play your game at a friend's house.
entremet
Member
3rdamention
Member
Yeah but the trading and selling thing and 24 hour checks suck....Otherwise not that bad I guess...
H_Prestige
Banned
"No way would MS use ddr3 without Sony doing it"
"No way would MS go down to 900 gflops without Sony doing it"
"No way would MS require an internet connection without Sony doing it"
"No way would MS employ used games DRM without Sony in on it"
"No way would MS leave the console business without Sony doing it"
BlastProcessing
Member
I am officially jumping out.
Its all sounds pretty terrible. It sure seems better then first announced but then I realized it was because the message is more measured and PR "controlled" than what we stated hours after the reveal.
To be honest it feels like a gigantic step backwards and we reached a point where we could do more in the previous gen then the next gen "allows" us to do so.
Given how publishers are going at this rate, I fully expect Sony to do something similar where games are mostly disked licenses that cannot be transferred or traded between consoles.
To be honest it feels like a gigantic step backwards and we reached a point where we could do more in the previous gen then the next gen "allows" us to do so.
Given how publishers are going at this rate, I fully expect Sony to do something similar where games are mostly disked licenses that cannot be transferred or traded between consoles.
Now where does that leave Sony, I'm sure EA and other mega publishers have made the same deal with Sony as well.
All eyes are now on Sony, and not for the usual reason...that they're launching a new console, its to see if Sony will also screw themselves and the consumer. What a strange E3.
All eyes are now on Sony, and not for the usual reason...that they're launching a new console, its to see if Sony will also screw themselves and the consumer. What a strange E3.
Father_Brain
Banned
yessssssssss
Captain Star
Member
That settles my stance on Xbox One. Not buying. If Sony follows suit, I may end up going PC/Wii U.
Domstercool
Member
It's like any multi service system, say netflix. You log in with your one account across multiple devices, or in this case Xbox Ones. At the moment on 360, you can only login once. If I login on GFWL I log out of Xbox 360.
ultrazilla
Gold Member
No. It sounds horribly atrocious.
MS has covered just about everything they could to make this the biggest piece
of anti-gamer junk imaginable.
Everyone basically realizes at this point that MS is "renting" the Xbox One to you, right?
You play and do what you want with the system based on *their* rules only. You don't own it. You don't own the games. They dictate when you'll be allowed to play your game or when they turn you off. You *WILL* keep the kinect spy cam on at all times and dare not unplug it. You *WILL* have an internet connection or be cut off from playing games after a time period. It goes on and on and on.
This is not video gaming people. This is basically MS sitting down and deciding how they can fuck gamers over one good time before they single handily implode the industry.
There is *NO* justification for any of these features as much as they want to justify them.
ZERO.
derExperte
Member
You can let him marry your sister so he's in the family and can use one of those 10 family-accounts.
Seriously, no idea how that will work.
i assumed there were talking about sharing with family members on the same console
NullPointer
Member
Jawmuncher
Member
Geez that Polygon article is thread worthy actually.
Doctor_Thomas
Member
I just have more questions than ever....
Originally it was "why would you do this?" and now I have questions about the participating retailers, private sales, ability to lend, what consistutes as "family" and all the specifics it's all just so... complicated. Probably intentionally complicated to put people off who don't want to risk upsetting anything.
Originally it was "why would you do this?" and now I have questions about the participating retailers, private sales, ability to lend, what consistutes as "family" and all the specifics it's all just so... complicated. Probably intentionally complicated to put people off who don't want to risk upsetting anything.
Miles Quaritch
Member
So if I'm reading this right, it doesn't sound all that different than what Sony were hinting towards with their "it's up to publishers" comment.
The online requirement is BS though, but I won't be surprised if this is what Sony will eventually announce about used games.
Still anti consumer unfortunately tho. No changing course at this point. Pretty annoying.
One thing and maybe I'm misreading it, but it sounds like you can share games with ten different people? That can't be right?
The online requirement is BS though, but I won't be surprised if this is what Sony will eventually announce about used games.
Still anti consumer unfortunately tho. No changing course at this point. Pretty annoying.
One thing and maybe I'm misreading it, but it sounds like you can share games with ten different people? That can't be right?
Thats a ton of hoops to jump through holy fuck. I don't really game on consoles much anymore, but I'm assuming that will go up this coming gen (exclusives and whatnot)....damn. This is crazy.
I'll still buy it if games are there....but mannnnnnn thats some shit. Picking up games later in life is supposed to lead to cheap used games!
I'll still buy it if games are there....but mannnnnnn thats some shit. Picking up games later in life is supposed to lead to cheap used games!
Im out personally
previously i could lend it to 20 or more family members, ie as many as i wanted,
Need to be Friends list for 30 days, I've lent games to someone whom i met for 2 weeks, hey it was crazy but it was MY choice
Stop treating me like a child Microsoft, I'm a adult
previously i could lend it to 20 or more family members, ie as many as i wanted,
Need to be Friends list for 30 days, I've lent games to someone whom i met for 2 weeks, hey it was crazy but it was MY choice
Stop treating me like a child Microsoft, I'm a adult
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Wow at all those rules and sub-rules. Sounds like I just won't bother with physical media on this console. I'll probably try to go as download-only as possible on PS4 as well, but still, that's just crazy amount of rules for something that in my opinion should just play the damn disc game regardless of any outside factors.
Steve's short on cash, pay his live sub. Will definitely hit ya back.
Reallink
Member
It kind of reads like only one profile (the one the game is licensed to) can play. The 10 family members probably suggests you can only "migrate" that one profile (the one the game is license to) and attempt to play on 10 different consoles. If the games aren't hard locked to a single profile, people will just set up sharing trading threads/forums and simultaneously share all their games all the time (which is a million times worse than renting, used games, or anything else they're trying to sideline with this DRM).
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