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[KHarvey16]

it's an official FAQ on the official Xbox.com site? what clarity isn't there to be had?

Plenty. How does Microsoft determine who is a family member? When will they let us know if we can loan games to friends?

 

[3rdamention]

Underpowered Console, Overcomplicated Policies, Xbox One..


I wont touch this system, at all...

 

[Soler]

Not confirmed.

One is an opinion (accurate opinion at this point)
Free online is basically a given
its free on vita
they aren't going to just lock it out on ps4

 

[INTERNET]

Reading between the lines, I don't think it will even be possible to buy a used copy of a game. I believe what we are looking at is Microsoft giving a token compensation to the retailers in exchange for removing a license from the market, and that retailer giving a token discount on a full price purchase to the consumer.

 

[nick nacc]

This is not going to fly in Europe.

xbox of america

 

[crimsonspider89]

So many viral supporters getting banned left and right. Go Gaf GO!

 

[Gorillaz]

I welcome a new Angry Joe Rant

 

[Suburban_Nooblet]

I don't think this will ever effect me at all.

With that being said, bad form Microsoft.... not cool.

 

[RedNumberFive]

Plenty. How does Microsoft determine who is a family member? When will they let us know if we can loan games to friends?

DNA test.

 

[SRTtoZ]

They have completely lost all credibility. This last month has been nuts.

And I thought it was just a flukes thing with The Last of Us. Now it realllly makes sense. [regarding Polygon]

 

[Shaneus]

What I still can't grasp is how MS makes it okay for you to take something that you own (technicalities and legalspeak aside) and trade it in at specific retailers, but won't let you do that off your own bat.

Shit stinks, absolutely no sale. Not even for FM5.

 

[WaltJay]

I would say, "Sony save us", but I highly doubt game publishers would have one policy for MS and a completely different policy for Sony. I have a sinking feeling that Sony is going to jump on-board with MS and game publishers when it comes to this and online play. Well, I'd be more shocked if they didn't get in bed with MS and game publishers at this point. Sony missed the boat on charging players for online play last generation (XBL Gold is all the proof you need that people will pay for online play.). I doubt they'll miss the boat on the only new games policy (which they get a cut of) for this upcoming generation.

I've been on the fence about going back to PC gaming since I've been playing more and more 3rd party games; this might be what brings me back to the PC. Super-cheap games and I actually enjoy tinkering with PCs.

 

[Gotchaye]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around how they're going to determine where a player got a preowned game.

I'd really like to know how the retailers are going to transfer the license. The best theory I've come up with is they're going to input a code unique to the disc on their computer that signals Microsoft to free up the game.

Yeah, CD keys. All the games will have a CD key. When you trade in a game, the retailer contacts MS and gets the CD key deauthorized and is issued a new one. Because the consoles have to all check in every day, installations using the old CD key can easily be de-authorized.

 

[ElTorro]

Xbox One won't allow that. In a decade, who knows if Microsoft will be authenticating games, and that will be a lost library, which I cannot see myself supporting.

They will just sell you your games all over again as "classic games" on virtual consoles. Great, isn't it?

 

[Hitokiri03]

We're losing a lot of rights here, and have too little back.

Dangerous times ahead :/

 

[jay]

i'm gonna try again, this time with my master system 3D glasses!

Welcome to the Next Level of Reading

 

[DrForester]

The average consumer won't even understand all these requirements.
Hardly anyone reads manuals.
They need the requirements plastered all over the box, or there will be lots of angry customers.

They're going to dodge this till the system comes out and it's too late for some people.

 

[Rebel Leader]

I take it you have never read a software EULA?

I take it you never heard of first sale doctrine?

In US Copyright Law, consumers are given a rare right in the form of the First Sale Doctrine. First recognized by the US Supreme Court in 1908 and later codified in the Copyright Act of 1976, the first-sale doctrine essentially states that once a copyright holder sells you their product, it is essentially within the consumer's right to (almost) do with that product whatever they wish. They can resell it, rent it, give it way, or destroy it. One of the few things they can't do is copy it without restriction (copyright infringement).

Essentially, this first-sale doctrine is what allows you and me to buy and resale used cars, used furniture, used books, used CDs, used DVDs, and most importantly for this topic, used video games.

It's my fucking copy.

 

[Freki]

A lot of people on Gaf are already convincing themselves that this horseshit is "reasonable."

I'd imagine a not to small amount amongst these people get paychecks from "social media agencies" or whatever they are called.

 

[KHarvey16]

DNA test.

Maury Povich new exclusive series on XBox One?

 

[jayu26]

Sessler losing his shit would be a sight to behold.

 

[IrishNinja]

There are probably 31 million users who never bought a game new and literally purchased a loss leading hardware device to play nothing but used games.

Nobody wants those customers, those are like those dicks in the coffee shop who buy the cheapest drink they can get, then sit on a sofa for 6 people using the internet on their laptop for 7 hours straight, whilst keeping their headphones in.

I hate those guys.

man fucking what

Kuchera wouldn't even be able to join a human centipede, because he's got Microsofts hand too far up his ass.

Ether: that shit that make ya soul burn slow

 

[Nokterian]

Love the work Sessler and Sterling are doing lately. This should have all the game journalism press bitting MS asses hard. Kuchera is a disgrace for his profession.

There doing awesome work,no bull just the truth and it will hurt them and i am happy to see there are a few left who are doing what people want to hear. John Walker from RPS is also very good.

 

[RedNumberFive]

Maury Povich new exclusive series on XBox One?

The test results are in, and you are not the owner!

 

[Raxus]

We just got some new juniors just so they can be banned for this occasion.

This is delicious.

 

[NullPointer]

Slippery slope. Wonder if the Xbox One turning out to a big success means more anti-consumer crap from other companies in the future. We really are entering an age when we don't truly own what we buy.

And this is only the opening gambit. If this succeeds, imagine whats next once people are locked into the ecosystem.

 

[whatsinaname]

Big speculation, but maybe the lack of these "features" in the Wii U ended EA's unprecedented partnership with Nintendo. There were rumours that EA were in discussions to help with Nintendo's online infrastructure and maybe Nintendo pushed back on a request like this. The PS3 and XboX 360 audience would be a lot more conducive to these kind of restrictions than Nintendo's audience would be, especially if both decided to implement them. Sony's conference should tell us more.

 

[krypt0nian]

RyanReedyMusic
Banned
(Today, 08:00 PM)

Thank merciful fuck. He was one of my list of corp shills.

 

[BigDug13]

We still have to see what Sony does. I hope that they are not this idiotic but publishers do have power and we will have to see how much power they really have once the PS4 conference is over.

If Sony does go this way it looks like it is a PC/handheld generation for me.

Why do people keep saying this. Publishers do not have power in this case. There are WAY too many games on the market in general. Each publisher releases games that have to compete with a wealth of other games from other publishers. Nobody is taking their ball and going home here since Publishers NEED consoles but consoles do not NEED specific publishers.

You think they could survive by shunning one of the main systems next gen?

 

[MrDenny]

If Sony ends having free online gaming, no internet connection requirements, no used games restrictions, Microsoft will be in trouble.
I can imagine alot of people flocking to the ps4.
Microsoft stop digging an early grave...

 

[jackal27]

In all seriousness, this is very disappointing and sad. I don't think that it will really affect me, but it worries me for the future of console gaming. Either way, there will always be awesome video games and awesome ways to play them.

Let's vote with our wallets shall we?

 

[Green Yoshi]

if you think that Sony won't do the same thing....i only have one thing to say: keep dreaming

We still have Nintendo, right? No DRM on upcoming WiiU games?

 

[H_Prestige]

So
PS4 has stronger Hardware
Has free Online Play
More Consumer friendly
More Indi Dev friendly
Will be around the same price as the xbone
Sony showed that they release many AAA exclusives the whole Generation and not like MS only in the first 4-5years.

Why should anyone buy a Xbone at the moment?

So you can play Halo and Fortsa Motorsport.

 

[Woo-Fu]

It's scary to think how many secret shills we must have on this forum if this thread is an indication.

Most of the people you think are shills are probably just fans. After all, a lot of people have been happily paying multiplayer tax for years. They can't all be shills.

I take it you never heard of first sale doctrine?

Lots of people have heard of it. Most of them recognize it was penned long before software existed.

 

[nib95]

Sessler losing his shit would be a sight to behold.

Sessler is my fave journo, so I really hope he's on our side.

 

[chubigans]

if you think that Sony won't do the same thing....i only have one thing to say: keep dreaming

Will do!

 

[UrbanRats]

I was sitting here trying to figure out how this is legal, and I think I've got it... and if I'm right, it's genius, in a way, if pretty reprehensible too.

It's the cloud. Have cloud functionality? Suddenly you're not selling a product, you're providing a service. And it's quite reasonable to restrict how a service is consumed and transferred, when that's not the case with the product.

"The infinite power of the cloud" exists so they can do this. It's a trojan. It doesn't have to be - conceptually, I think the cloud can do some interesting things - but here, it's been weaponised. PR about how wonderful the cloud is is PR intended to encourage you to accept this system.

"Xbox One: By lawyers for lawyers."

 

[NeoUltima]

I have to wonder the legality of forcing consumers to only buy used games at retailers.
Seems like some sort of illegal market manipulation to me.
They are giving retail control over the used game market. Gamestop must love this, especially if they aren't charge a fee.

I guess the one way around it would be if a licenses/disc install key on XBL is significantly cheaper than the digital versions of games. But they wouldn't do that cause people would pass discs around to get games for cheaper.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

Looking forward to Angry Gamer and Marcus (annoyed gamer) opinions

 

[1-D_FTW]

I always said the publishers didn't truly view Gamestop as the enemy. How else can you explain this policy. So we're gonna eliminate used games... unless you go through Gamestop. Should have just banned all sales if this is the policy. It's like the worst of all worlds. Gamestop is going to exploit that position to screw people even harder.

 

[Wishmaster92]

Dis gon b gud

 

[FINALBOSS]

Think about this for a second fellas.

In 10 years when you wanna go back to play a stellar XBOX One game...you WON'T BE ABLE TO.

And anyone who thinks otherwise, I point you to the shutting of old-game servers on a REGULAR basis.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

It's scary to think how many secret shills we must have on this forum if this thread is an indication.

They're like marketing sleeper cells. It's amazing if you think about how much planning had to have gone into planting posters here over the years and then activating them the week before E3.

 

[plagiarize]

So basically as i think a lot of us feared. Steam without the aggressive pricing. And the ball remains in Sony's court...

 

[Shinta]

So kinect can be completely shut down but not disconnected?

"Completely shut down," but still completely on and listening for key words.

And by "completely shut down" they mean you can turn the system off, not Kinect independently.

If the system is on, Kinect is on 100% (even though it's always on 100% when it's "off").

Clear?

 

[ZedIndyLil]

Moderating this place is never easy, but I definitely don't envy them around this time.

 

[Cloudy]

Can the shared games be played simultaneously? That's what I want to know. If so, the only real losers are used game sellers. I'll just be splitting the cost of games with a few pals

 

[strikeselect]

If Sony does the same, I think I'm done with console gaming.

 

[Aquamarine]

With Xbox One you can game offline for up to 24 hours on your primary console, or one hour if you are logged on to a separate console accessing your library. Offline gaming is not possible after these prescribed times until you re-establish a connection, but you can still watch live TV and enjoy Blu-ray and DVD movies.

I knew this was happening, but now it's officially confirmed--I WILL NOT PURCHASE an Xbox One console, regardless of what games come out for it, until this clause is removed entirely.

Microsoft, you just lost yourself a potential sale. And not only that, but you have completely screwed over archivists and video game historians by putting an artificial expiration date on all Xbox One games.

Good luck trying to play your games 15 years from now guys.

 

[falconzss]

Sony will save gaming.

Right?

Right?????

Either that or we will see more WiiU and PC gamers eventually. Also we still have our retro gaming consoles.